5600+ 3.3ghz -3.4ghz BrickWall?

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!gOtVolTage!

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Ok ive now put my 5600+ on a ASUS M2N32 Wifi DeluxE..So far it looks good until i get my FSB to 305mhz or above . Seems that my Cpu @3.3ghz and FSB 305mhz wont let me go further. On Air my Idle is 30c and load is 51c both cores 100%with a room temp of . if i give it more Vcore above 1.45vcore i can do 3.75ghz into windows any higher it will boot and bluescreen at windows .

What i cant figure out is that when i lower the memory with stock timing @ 5-5-5-12 2.2v to 533 or 400 it will crash the pc no matter what HT i set to go above 305FSB . ive tried this @14x236 =3304mhz with memory set to 800=942mhz , but if i try a divider like 667 it will work below 300FSB, but 533 or 400 it will crash my Pc and say my CPU is @ 4800Mhz! Is this a ASUS bug with memory or the Cpu memory controler. This memory thing or ASUS board seems to be holding me back , I know this chip will clock more!

Screenie below, Any info would help, i may remove IHS for more cooling, Im just stummped at this point thanx in advance!

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Ok i fubarred my 5600+ was removing I H S and the Core's came off too, They Are soldered on after 07-1-1 , was gonna water cool. will have replacement in few days , I will see what happens with same settings when i get new chip. From what i know the 5600 is very capable of 3.4-3.5ghz on good air..Will be going water with new chip but will clock it up on Air for burn in with the I H S lapped not removed!:D
 
Ok i fubarred my 5600+ was removing I H S and the Core's came off too
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Sorry, but... WHAT A FOOL!
Why oh why did you try to meddle with the cpu covering? You shouldn't be allowed a refund on that.
 
OMG lol that sucks big ones.

I got a free 5600+ last week. my water cooled rig is a 6000+ that I was slowly overclcoking, s far its up to 3.39Ghz %100 stable, I was going to keep bumping it slowly. After I find the wall on that CPU im going to try out the 5600+

The weekest CPU will be sold here.



So have you got any confirmation the core being soldered to the IHS.
 
my eyes. the english. it burns!

anyway, that 3.3-3.4ghz wall seems somewhat common for F3 unless you get an especially awesome chip. my 4000+ tops out at around 3.33ghz stable with good ambient and a bunch of voltage
 
Well i just grabbed a 6000+ for $222.00---------------CCB8F-0720XPMW....... I believe this is the newest batch . Picked it up from new stock @Microcenter ,they said they just came in 3days ago from AMD"s distributing center in Santa Clara . Frys also now has new batches. The old ones are 0711TPMW and 0711VPMW.......The most recent i found after personally checking 40plus chips is the 0720XPMW...

So ill be putting a burn in on it tommorow :D hope im correct on the batch numbers game! These should do real well.
 
newer isn't ALWAYS better. look at what happened with the winchesters. they kicked ass until CBBID came along ;)
 
haven't all AMD cpu's that say "2005" on them are sodered, the ones that say 2001 (939s, and early 90nm AM2's).

Thats a good OC, I wish I could get my opty 148 up there, but I need a new heatsink.
 
good luck getting a 146 past 3Ghz.. most of them top out at 3ghz.. But back then 3Ghz AMD was the best one could ask for!
 
Well right now the 6000+ is @26c Idle 42c load Both cores stock clocks with a lapped Bigtyphoon with a 110Cfm fan. Today i should be able to get some Ocing done with this baby . I really wanted to do another 5600+ = good Oc on air ,but i also wanted to see what a new batch on a 6000+ could possibly do. If it turns out crummy then =Return for 5600+ and get a lil cash back;) Either way if the 6000+ clocks nicely on Air, im really shure the 5600+ will be just as good! Im also looking to piece together a good water setup,dangerDen setup probaly...
 
sucks about the IHS my opteron was way better w.o an IHS

5*C difference.....

great to see AM2s are finally better than their 939 brothers, maybe i will actually upgrade soon .... maybe.... :)
 
Rhettius said:
Sorry, but... WHAT A FOOL!
Why oh why did you try to meddle with the cpu covering? You shouldn't be allowed a refund on that.
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And he isn't getting one. No need to be an ass, removing an IHS is a proven way of increasing an overclock on these chips. In my case it was either RMA or remove the IHS, I chose to remove it and I think it was the right choice, 30C drop in temps and big increase in overclock
 
FYI: all newer higher end X2 and opteron parts have soldered lids; lower end parts I am not too sure about.

But yeah - if you remove the lid - waffleberries for yuo!
 
Geez, what ever happened to 3.0GHz being the holy grail for AMD chips?

How does a K8 core at around 3.4GHz compare to a stock C2D e6600 anyway?
 
I wish there was something on 939 where I could be disappointed that it hit a brick wall at 3.4 GHz.

Sheesh, that chip must actually be competitive with a high-end Core 2 by now :p
 
repoman0 said:
And he isn't getting one. No need to be an ass, removing an IHS is a proven way of increasing an overclock on these chips. In my case it was either RMA or remove the IHS, I chose to remove it and I think it was the right choice, 30C drop in temps and big increase in overclock
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at what speed were you getting unstable temperatures? was it at stock, if so, an RMA would have been unethical.
 
30c temp drop ? I highly doubt that.:rolleyes: I call shen on that one lol
 
If the heatsink mating surface was bad or the IHS wasn't flat I can see a 30C drop in load temps.

I dropped 15C in load temps on my Opty175 after removing the IHS.... and that was after I had lapped the IHS and the heatsink base. Almost 20C total drop in load temps when running Orthos.
 
Well after my 5600+ Leathal I H S adventuring skills i will only Lap them:D Before my lil mishap i was getting 25c idle with both the IHS and Heatsink lapped and 29c-31c Idle with out [email protected]! Even more so if it was @stock speed the temps would be 20c idle with lapping and 26c with out;) To top it off i wasnt anywhere near maxing my Vcore either.

I will be lapping the 6000+ probally next week but am making shure it can hit some decent Oc's before i do..In case its not up to the task i dont want to sand the #'s off quite yet:D
 
If lapping the IHS gives such dramatic temperature improvement, it makes me wonder why AMD doesn't try to improve the capability of their stock IHS/HSF. Have them manufactured and and "pre-lapped" prior to attachment. Immediate 10 to 20C cooler CPUs. Profit.
 
!gOtVolTage! said:
What i cant figure out is that when i lower the memory with stock timing @ 5-5-5-12 2.2v to 533 or 400 it will crash the pc no matter what HT i set to go above 305FSB . ive tried this @14x236 =3304mhz with memory set to 800=942mhz , but if i try a divider like 667 it will work below 300FSB, but 533 or 400 it will crash my Pc and say my CPU is @ 4800Mhz! Is this a ASUS bug with memory or the Cpu memory controler. This memory thing or ASUS board seems to be holding me back , I know this chip will clock more!
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similar thing started to happening to me too, i think it is something with the Asus mobo
 
10Neon said:
If lapping the IHS gives such dramatic temperature improvement, it makes me wonder why AMD doesn't try to improve the capability of their stock IHS/HSF. Have them manufactured and and "pre-lapped" prior to attachment. Immediate 10 to 20C cooler CPUs. Profit.
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Because the stock Heatsink and stock CPU top is good "enough" to keep the CPUs cool and within spec. The extra cost of more refined lapping, and better heatsinks (better contact surfaces) would only result in higher prices for us.
 
I don't get it, why would you try to unlid the cpu is your temps were fine? 51C isn't holding you back at all.

I hope you get a shitty OCer for a replacement.
 
firewolf said:
I don't get it, why would you try to unlid the cpu is your temps were fine? 51C isn't holding you back at all.

I hope you get a shitty OCer for a replacement.
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51c is kinda holding you back.. They tend to clock better when running cooler. And at 51c there isn't much head room left, at 35-40c load, there is still some head room for more voltage.
 
firewolf said:
I don't get it, why would you try to unlid the cpu is your temps were fine? 51C isn't holding you back at all.

I hope you get a shitty OCer for a replacement.
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By the way 51c will hold you back when the Ambiant temps rise on a nice summer day ..The only reason AMD now uses I H S lids is because of people who talk crap and dont know how to install Heatsinks and crack the core! all cores before X64 were bare and let every one cool the chips how they are suppose to be cooled ,Installing water blocks back then ment you didnt need to di ck with a I H S!

So before you talk think please!
 
!gOtVolTage! said:
By the way 51c will hold you back when the Ambiant temps rise on a nice summer day ..The only reason AMD now uses I H S lids is because of people who talk crap and dont know how to install Heatsinks and crack the core! all cores before X64 were bare and let every one cool the chips how they are suppose to be cooled ,Installing water blocks back then ment you didnt need to di ck with a I H S!

So before you talk think please!
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While I agree, that 51c will hold you back, you don't exactly do a very good job of explaining why. That entire post was pointless.
 
Damn, I got 2.84 out of a 2.1 Brisbane at stock voltages and was thrilled.

Time to lap the ol' processor and big ass Arctic Cooling block I've got in there. It isn't like the case isn't cool, what with 7 fans total in there... :eek:

That's pretty awesome that you are getting that on 90nm, too. Just wish the thermal sensor wasn't screwed on Brisbane so I could tell how hot it was really getting...
 
Well when 51c is the Max load at max Vcore and the Cpu does not go any higher clock wise. You then need to look at cooling when all other settings do not change your Overclock. lapping the I H S or removing it when it is allowable , tends to get another 100mhz- and still allows you to maintain a 51c max temp on Air . This is well worth it if one is not using watercooling!. . High Ambiant Air temps also hinder Overclocking because the ambiant temp is already higher than the Cpu adding more heat. this is why it is easier to Oc say during the winter months with much cooler ambiant temps ,thus it helps your Oc..

Ps Rising Ambiant temps + 51c load temp will increase your Load temp and cause a system to become unstable!

6000+ @ 3.450 on Air 27c Idle.....52c load @1.5vcore. This is where my 5600+ was @ max and the I H S was lapped . So im just tweaking my 6000+ and seeing what it does with out lapping my I H S. Lapping does make a huge differance. I should beable to do 3.5 to 3.6 with good Air.. I may pick up a ThermalRight Ultra 120 and replace my Lapped Big typhoon .
 
Here is a small update on my 6000+. This is with a Bigtyphoon lapped heattsink with a 120-110CFM fan . I did not lap the CPU ,I H S yet so i could see if it would pass 3.4Ghz which my 5600+ 0711TPMW batch would not do with this same heatsink even when its I H S was lapped:D

so i Guess 3.5ghz not bad for not laping the I H S... So next ill have to lap it and should see 3.6 stable . I can boot into windows @3.6 but it isnt stable , so the little bit that i can gain by Lapping the I H S should alow me too be stable @3.6ghz...here is a Screen of where im at so far. Next step is to lap I H S and get 3.6stable, i am waiting for a Ultra 120 via uPs....i know that heat sink will allow 3.6 if i can do this with a BigTy i know a Ultra will work just fine!!

My temps seem to rise up lil bit every time my Vcore is raised ,so i believe the Vcore is correct and the Core seems good even when gaming ive not exceded 46c load temp. Im trying to find out if there are any Bios Bugs i need to know about because @45c load should be able to go more before a blue screen!

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