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Rick's been quiet too. I guess all is settled.

I just think that everyone has just decided to agree to disagree. Which is probably for the best, as no one is going to convince the "enemy" of anything (both ways).

FWIW, I use the Swiftech/D-Tek/1/2" stuff myself. I would love to try the AC stuff, except I have personally never been able to justify the cost outlay of AC gear.

I just hope I have not PO'd both side because of ^^^!:D
 
Rick's been quiet too. I guess all is settled.

Not really but what is the point? You can't convince me of anything and until you try something different you won't know. It is OK if we agree to disagree. I think the comments after the initial trolling on both forums speaks volumes.

Doesn't change the fact small and big bore has its place in watercooling.

FWIW, I use the Swiftech/D-Tek/1/2" stuff myself. I would love to try the AC stuff, except I have personally never been able to justify the cost outlay of AC gear.

I just hope I have not PO'd both side because of ^^^!:D

OMG! Nah, that is the great part of being able to guy whatever you want.
 
Thanks man. STFU you're making me miss it. Nah, I modded the case totally from scratch. Bought a stock PC-7B, then a windowed panel, then it went on from there.

Yeah.. definitely sweet dude. hope you don't mind if I copy you on my PC-65B :D

Top Nurse, from you, the Queen of Perfectionism, that is more than a compliment!

Top nurse is a chick?! :eek:

PICS!


jk ;)


Oh schnap.. sorry I didn't mean to bump this thread. I was checkin my post history and this popped up, so I checked up on it.. didn't want to beat a dead horse; didn't notice the time difference :eek:
 
Nah, im still here. Just been busy with Work tis all (My mother and I just hit the busy season in our cafe, well, the start of it.) And today was my birthday, so the last couple of days I have been motorcycle shopping, my birthday present. :) I should have that by the end of the week, and, if Im lucky, the case I will be putting my computer in, as well as my Asus W5E.
 
None of those have anything on this http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=813371

Best, most elegant set up I have ever seen.

That looked pretty nice tilI I saw the back of the MB tray, but most people wouldn't see it I guess.
Might as well defend Liquid_Cooled and other wire management gods while this thread is still going:

Who cares what the back of the mobo tray looks like? Try wiring like that - custon wires are one thing. Hiding everything is another. Try this thread: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=866448
Cutting holes in the mobo tray is necessity in a lot of cases for great wire management. In my case, I had to drill a couple holes in my mobo panel because my 6002 needed more space than my Lanboy's standoffs provided.
 
You don't have to hide any wiring if you got good skills in modding. :p



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How about tapping holes in the video card for being [H]?




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Now this is definitely what I call over the top crazy bling:




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Quick question @ TN:

How quiet are the Acoustifans, and are they worth $30?

I ran them on my radiator for a long time and couldn't hear them at 12vdc, much less the 7vdc I typically run them at. Now I have two cooling my HSPC tec station and I can't hear them running even though the station is within 2 feet of me. They are what I would say SILENT.
 
How quiet are the Acoustifans, and are they worth $30?

After I change out the boat prop in my PCP&C 510 SLI I will let you know, but they seem to be dead silent. I didn't like the transparent ones because the cases weren't square.
 
(In response to TN tapping a hole in a Videocard) That is [H]ard, tapping a hole in a multilayer PCB board. I dont think i would dare do that, unless i had the layout for the peices of PCB that i cant see.
 
(In response to TN tapping a hole in a Videocard) That is [H]ard, tapping a hole in a multilayer PCB board. I dont think i would dare do that, unless i had the layout for the peices of PCB that i cant see.

I cheated as there already was a mounting hole located there. True it was a gamble, but a calculated one that turned out okay. Figured that was a better solution than trying to use washers and nuts over some SMD components and risk popping them off the back of the board. The other possibility was to drill the hole out which I was kind of leery about. ;)

Added:

I think next time I will get the board x-ray'd just to make sure.
 
Did you do two different loops or does the Aquatube drain into the Aquabox?

Actually I think this is working out well for the OP as he gets to see lots of pics of different brands of WC equipment in action.
 
90 degree elbows make me cringe.

So why do you think that 90's in a high flow setup are detrimental, but we don't see a performance hit in the low to medium flow category? Has anyone ever showed the difference in a typical loop with and without 90's that have access to a flow meter?
 
Did you do two different loops or does the Aquatube drain into the Aquabox?

Actually I think this is working out well for the OP as he gets to see lots of pics of different brands of WC equipment in action.

It's not my project.
The main purpose of the user was to watercool without physical changes (mods) to the Lian Li case.
He had only one loop, the Aquatube drained to the Aquabox.
From what i followed, this user added more blocks, radiators and "gadgets", until he had 4 rads (1A Cooling 5/12 Rad + 1 NEXXXOS XTREME I 120 + 1 BLACK ICE MICRO II + 1 BLACK ICE EXTREME), various blocks (AQUACOMPUTER CUPLEX XT + MIPS FREEZER CHIPSET + AQUAGRAFX 7800, HDD Blocks), 2 reservoirs, a AC Flow meter, and a Aquatream pump.
You may call it complicated, but as he used black as the main color, and everything else was subordinated to it, the final visual result was good (in my opinion).
Below the AC Flowmeter painted black and a screenshot of the flow:
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I've been reading this thread for a while, and apart from the highly entertaining ass goblinry (cross forum flame war attempts and tempertantrums that would make my niece blush) it's been high informative.

I've always sworn by swiftech and DD parts, well not so much DD lately but they're still better then most. Large bore tubing, massive radiators, more flow, at one point I even went so far as to strap some Delta fan dustbusters on my case because the vast amount of tubing was killing air flow. I've always gone for the brute force tactic with the parts that get the most consistent results.

The thing is you can attack any one review and claim bias, to many variables in testing, really their is a laundry list of valid claims against any test and the truth is nothing acts the same in every computer all the time. However when there are lots of reviews pointing to a general trend, odds are there is some truth in it.

All that said I'm debating avoiding the "garden hose" approach this time around. This thread has given me some interest in aqua computer (before I was looking into innovatek).

For one I don't want to deal with all that hosing this time around. I'm using a (comparatively) small lian-li v1000 plus, and I do not intend on doing surgery to it. So even if the max possible OC is less, the cleaner cage and ease of work is a great trade off for me.

Next does the price honestly matter? A decent water cooling set-up is going to cost you some cash regardless. From a raw price/performance aspect it's still an absurd proposition compared to air cooling, which can get great OC's on a budget. Let's also not forget that most of the people interested in water cooling are buying overly expensive stuff to start with. Lian-li case, 3hdd's, pc power and cooling PSU, 4 gigs of corsair dominator, 8800sli, asus striker 680i, x-fi card (still waiting on that), 2x optical drives. You could say just about everything in my system is over priced from a "price performance" standpoint, and you'd be right! So after going completely overboard why split hair over the price of water cooling, another over priced item.

I notice the charge thrown out repeatedly (in multiple threads) that some people only advocate products because they look cool, or for reasons of personal taste. Isn't that half the point of water cooling? Don't say it isn't, because look at the legions of big flow rigs. Side windows, perfectly clean cabling, often neon lights left and right with glow in the dark fluid. If it really was all about performance lights in the case add heat (if slightly) so toss that, and all metal siding will help keep temps lower that that sheet of plastic. So right there most people shoot their own "I don't care about looks" argument square in the foot. Hell even the PC being quiet is personal taste, for a while it was cool to use delta fans and have your PC sound like a jet, if you didn't agree you were obviously a noob that didn't know what the fuck you were talking about.

Unless you're shooting for extreme overclocks (in which case there are far better methods then water cooling) water cooling is about a mix of things. Better temps and oc's, while keeping the PC as silent as possible, and having a creation you can be proud of at the end. That's why it's a fucking hobby.

I'm still up in the air on my water cooling for this beast, but nobody has managed to sell me anything by this thread, and nobody has managed to convince me that x product sucks.
 
.I'm still up in the air on my water cooling for this beast, but nobody has managed to sell me anything by this thread, and nobody has managed to convince me that x product sucks.

All products are good for one reason or another. If they aren't they won't sell and the manufacturer will go out of business. Simple economics...

Even I am planning on a pair of DDC pumps in my Feeding Frenzy mod. Of course they will be suitably under volted with Aqua Computer Poweradjust controllers for silence. Might even go with 8 or 10mm tubing. :eek: ;)
 
I went with DD myself, I could not justify going with swiftech at the time for a 1c difference for $50 more on the block and identical pump (to D5), and the Maze 4 GPU cooler looked just as good...

Now lately it looks like I would be more inclined to go swiftech as there new stuff looks good and they make a cheaper cooler for the 8800GTS.

Aquacomputer stuff looks ok to me, expect for their old trend of mixing aluminum and copper, and smaller tubing, (although it can be done correclty) I have sceen too many problems in the past. AC does have some nice front panel stuff, but I could never justify the cost. Hell a resevoir just takes up drive bays inn a large case, better off just using a t-line IMO, one less place somethng can crack and leak.

now I'm not dumping LN into my computer or pelting the crap out of it, I just want more stable cooling and silence and of course looks don't hurt either.
 
All products are good for one reason or another. If they aren't they won't sell and the manufacturer will go out of business. Simple economics...

That's not true at all in the PC world, or in the electronics world.

Plenty of products sell extremely well even though they are bad across the board, simply due to marketing hype and skewed statistics. Even worse often these products cost more.

If you don't believe me take a gander at best buy or any large retailer and ask their advice on a purchase, it's worth a good laugh.

Now lately it looks like I would be more inclined to go swiftech as there new stuff looks good and they make a cheaper cooler for the 8800GTS.

One of the reasons I've put my WC on hold is to see how their full cover block will perform. I've already decided that if I go full bore my CPU block shall be the apogee gtx, I'm waiting to see if they can work some magic on the GPU block.
 
That's not true at all in the PC world, or in the electronics world.

Plenty of products sell extremely well even though they are bad across the board, simply due to marketing hype and skewed statistics. Even worse often these products cost more.

If you don't believe me take a gander at best buy or any large retailer and ask their advice on a purchase, it's worth a good laugh.



One of the reasons I've put my WC on hold is to see how their full cover block will perform. I've already decided that if I go full bore my CPU block shall be the apogee gtx, I'm waiting to see if they can work some magic on the GPU block.

I own both the DD FC, EK FC, MCW60 and D-Tek GFX. MCW60 and D-Tek GFX beat out the EK FC by about 4-6C on load and the EK FC beat the DD FC by another 4-6C.

I'd shy away from DD's FC. Their QC has been terrible as of late. Even though they've fixed the microfracture problem, the quality put into the milling and blasting just isn't there. It's sad because DD used to be Swiftech's strongest competitor...which is now D-Tek.

MCW60's might just be the best all around as the pressure drop isn't as severe as the D-Tek GFX. However, the EK FC performs better than any other FC block on the market and has looks to boot. I think it's only competition might be the upcoming Swiftech Stealth. Another positive about the EK FC is that you won't have to mount any ram sinks: very plug and play type of deal.
 
How'd you make that happen? I'd love to see some.

Just look at my Worklog. I had to use them, not out of choice. Brass 3/4" ID fittings from Canadian Tire. Masterkleer was NOT fun to get over 0.875 inches :eek: (too me about 20 minutes an elbow).

And for the record, going from an MCW60 to the EK FC block increased my GPU temps ~5c.
 
Anybody else notice that whenever we have these kinds of threads that other AC threads start popping up on the forum like jack rabbits? I noticed the same for Swiftech, DD, and others as well.

I have been thinking of late (no pun) that this thread could be a precursor to a really nice thread where we can discuss all the stuff that we can do together with any type of flow cooling. There seems to me to be lots of cross currents that everyone can utilize. Just a thought. :)
 
I own both the DD FC, EK FC, MCW60 and D-Tek GFX. MCW60 and D-Tek GFX beat out the EK FC by about 4-6C on load and the EK FC beat the DD FC by another 4-6C.

I'd shy away from DD's FC. Their QC has been terrible as of late. Even though they've fixed the microfracture problem, the quality put into the milling and blasting just isn't there. It's sad because DD used to be Swiftech's strongest competitor...which is now D-Tek.

MCW60's might just be the best all around as the pressure drop isn't as severe as the D-Tek GFX. However, the EK FC performs better than any other FC block on the market and has looks to boot. I think it's only competition might be the upcoming Swiftech Stealth. Another positive about the EK FC is that you won't have to mount any ram sinks: very plug and play type of deal.

And so it starts... I'm sure in 10 seconds you'll repost your entire rant (for the what time now) then run off to XS forums to create another thread on how you owned the noobs and everybody is an idiot.

If you read my post I didn't claim the DD block was better. However I can't say the EK part is better for everybody, I've seen different parts (and I use big bore as well) perform at different levels in various comps I've built for friends. Yes the EK part is better in most aspects, in most builds, then everything out there, and cheaper then many at that. But while most often true, that superiority ends there, and it doesn't always apply.

You'll also note I pointed out that DD has been slacking as of late (a point you agreed with), and you also admit DD used to be swifts only true competition (and if you'll notice I stated I'm waiting on swiftech to decide my purchase and that I used both products prior).

So other then repeating the same thing you've ranted about in countless threads, and multiple times in each, taking time out to do the same to me (even though I never claimed anything counter to what you said in this thread and you agreed with my points) what have you done? Other then set up another "lol I schooled these noobs" style situation to go great another thread on XS and then link back here for another cross forum fiasco?

In all honesty you can just quit posting completing in WC forums, I've heard it, I'm sure everybody else has. Simply put it in your sig, and tell people to go cry on XS forums if they don't want to buy the exact same parts for whatever reason, because they are all bad.

FYI talking down to people is rather silly, especially when you're favorite response is to run off to an entirely different forum to set people straight once you realize people have started to simply ignore you.

I heard you the first time, the fith, and I guess well the 20th time. Guess what, I don't really care. If I wanted a lecture on real performance for complicated parts I'd get back into slapping pelts on everything possible, which is honestly a lot more fun and blows wc out of the water (haha a pun).

Also nothing about water cooling (other the stupid stuff like thermal take) is "plug and play" if you can fit tubing slapping on ram sinks is the least of your worries.

Sorry to the mods if this was rude, but he's starting to get completely out of hand.
 
Wow... just giving you the heads up on my experience with FC blocks and how they'd compare with the typical GPU block since you were debating about whether to use them based upon how they're going to turn out.

In that case, ignore the reply. I think you took it entirely the wrong way. No need to be touchy. No one's "schooling anyone". This thread just got back to being civilized with people showing off their builds and making commentary. I don't see a flame war starting again and don't see the point into dragging it back into one.
 
Wow... just giving you the heads up on my experience with FC blocks and how they'd compare with the typical GPU block since you were debating about whether to use them based upon how they're going to turn out.

In that case, ignore the reply. I think you took it entirely the wrong way. No need to be touchy. No one's "schooling anyone". This thread just got back to being civilized with people showing off their builds and making commentary. I don't see a flame war starting again and don't see the point into dragging it back into one.

No, you simply reposted the same thing again, like you always do, broken record.

I've actually put most of the blocks you've talked about into friends systems, and even some you didn't list (ie innovatek and koolance, not proud of the second), but I won't go about treating you like a retard assuming you're ignorant of those products.

Stop taking every chance to repeat the same old mantra just about everybody knows, and can predict you will say.
 
Wow... just giving you the heads up on my experience with FC blocks and how they'd compare with the typical GPU block since you were debating about whether to use them based upon how they're going to turn out.

In that case, ignore the reply. I think you took it entirely the wrong way. No need to be touchy. No one's "schooling anyone". This thread just got back to being civilized with people showing off their builds and making commentary. I don't see a flame war starting again and don't see the point into dragging it back into one.

Actually I saw your post as being very good as you just stated what you have personally observed for the most part. Welcome back to the real world. :)
 
No, you simply reposted the same thing again, like you always do, broken record.

I've actually put most of the blocks you've talked about into friends systems, and even some you didn't list (ie innovatek and koolance, not proud of the second), but I won't go about treating you like a retard assuming you're ignorant of those products.

Stop taking every chance to repeat the same old mantra just about everybody knows, and can predict you will say.

So the things people post over and over again on other threads implies that they think everyone who asks about a certain product is a retard?

I've made two posts on [H] altogether about my experiences with GPU blocks comparing all 4 blocks I've tested. Am I to assume you've read them amongst the hundreds of posts that get mingled in between? I'm passing on my experiences and knowledge just like others have.

If you're singling me out, then might as well have Arcygenical and Top Nurse in your flame list too. They've commented on their past experiences, include their recommendations, across various posts. If anything they're trying to be helpful. I don't see how its any different from what I just posted. If I'm going to be labeled a nitwit, there are plenty of other posts in this thread that I can see myself coming across that way. However, the one above was done out of wanting to share my experience with someone who showed interest in FC blocks. It's no different then what others in this forum have done.
 
Man, and this thread was just starting to get good. Why do silly, paranoid people have to ruin it?
Anyway, That case that was posted a little while is making me drool over the black AC front bay stuff.. its georgous. So i think ill definatly be getting AC frontbay equipment, probably 10mm tubing, on everything. (so, medium flow.. lets see how that goes)
 
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