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HopePoisoned

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I currently have Vista Ultimate activated on my computer, but the image I used didn't have all the programs/extras that come with Ultimate.

More specifically, I'm missing:

-Complete PC Backup and Restore (I think I'm not sure...i ran a 'start' search for "backup" and nul)
-Windows Fax and Scan
-Media Center
-DVD Maker
-Photo Gallery
-The Games that come with Vista
-Movie Maker
-Meeting Space
-Sideshow
-Scheduled Backup
-Remote Desktop
-Calender
-Easy Transfer
-Windows Mail
-Mobility Center
-ReadyBoost

I think that's it but I may be missing some more

I DO however have Bitlocker Drive Encryption, and I have the "Vista Ultimate Extras" thing available to me, and some other ultimate perks I think - I'm just missing some applications

Things like in the Right Click on Computer ("System" in "System and Maintenance"), if I click "Remote Settings" it will give the "windows cannot find [filename]"
That "System" folder verifies that I have Ultimate, and everything seems completely normal except for the missig apps

I would like to try to use DVD Maker and give it a shot and use Media Center especiallu

Is there any way I can get any of these programs? I'm trying to avoid reimaging. I don't feel like backing up all my files and losing my settings and such I just want what I paid for.

-Mike
 
Check add/remove programs - maybe they just weren't selected during your installation?

If they are selected there, double check \program files\Windows*****\
 
did you get the EU version of Vista? lol :p

follow what calebb said. though i do find that odd none of that stuff installed.

where did you get the disk image from exactly?
 
I don't see anything about 'adding' a program. The Add/Remove programs has become "Programs and Features" which allows me to uninstall, change, or repair.

My Vista disc was broken in half more or less, so I got an external ISO (which is perfectly legal). But I need to assume that this ISO was simply captured from the original install disc so I can do what I can before I pull the trigger to reimage. Which is a huge pain to me.
 
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its in the red box

also you should call up MS and ask about getting a replacement...they'll prolly charge you a fee but at least you'll have a good copy
 
Ok...what's in there that will help me with my problem? When I go to the "Windows Vista Ultimate Extras" or whatever it says it gives me two (already selected) options - Bitlocker Prep and Key Backup. Should there be more options in there?
 
HopePoisoned said:
Ok...what's in there that will help me with my problem? When I go to the "Windows Vista Ultimate Extras" or whatever it says it gives me two (already selected) options - Bitlocker Prep and Key Backup. Should there be more options in there?
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hopefully some of the stuff that is missing will be in there. here is what is in mine...

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click the check box of what you need and click ok. mind you i only have Vista Business x64, so you could have more in there.
 
Dammit I guess I just got a shaved image I could have sworn it was stock.

Eh well if there's any other way than reimaging just feel free to atleast PM me if not just reply.

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I really don't think you have an image which creates a genuine Vista install disk. It even sounds like you have a disk that something like vLite has been used on, to strip out features. Just guessing of course. I'm really not sure of what features should or shouldn't be there if what you have is actually a Volume Licensing install DVD. It could even be that. (You can't properly install Ultimate if you have a Volume license disk. If you have a retail or OEM disk image (both are the same, actually) you can install any version from it, but the Volume licensing disks are restricted to installing Enterprise or Business, as far as I'm aware.

But in your situation I'd be grabbing a copy of somebody else's Vista DVD and starting over again, using your Product key with it when you install.
 
Yes, that's the idea of what I will do if there's no other way.

But I'm trying to avoid the pain of backing up all my files somewhere, installing a new OS, reconfiguring EVERYTHING (which did take a while), getting all my files back on, and I still will have loose ends. Speaking of which is there any way I could make like a 'hybird' image: mush the two together and have everything that overwrites overwrite and everything that doesn't be added to the new image. so I can keep my programs and add the ones I'm missing? This is ridiculous I already know that this is impossible.
 
HopePoisoned said:
Yes, that's the idea of what I will do if there's no other way.

But I'm trying to avoid the pain of backing up all my files somewhere, installing a new OS, reconfiguring EVERYTHING (which did take a while), getting all my files back on, and I still will have loose ends. Speaking of which is there any way I could make like a 'hybird' image: mush the two together and have everything that overwrites overwrite and everything that doesn't be added to the new image. so I can keep my programs and add the ones I'm missing? This is ridiculous I already know that this is impossible.
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Start with a retail DVD next time and there won't be an issue ;)

You can order replacements from Microsoft for $10 and even get next-day shipping if you want.

But with the copy you have, I don't think you're going to be able to convert it to a retail Ultimate installation - at least not easily.

I tried using a VLK DVD and my Ultimate CD Key would not work - so I'm not sure where your copy came from. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there are back doors, ftp servers, mass mailers, keyloggers, etc built-in to that copy. I would reinstall from a retail DVD and change all my passwords if I were you.

Just my 2 cents.
 
It's a bit mind-boggling to think that you actually have a valid, purchased Windows Vista product key and don't have a Vista install disk to go with it. Matter of fact the only circumstance in which I can think of that situation legitimately occurring is if you've obtained Vista via an MSDNAA student arrangement where the educational institution in question doesn't actually create disks for the students, but instead requires them to either download an image or copy from a master copy. Some other Microsoft products are distributed in that fashion too, from time to time, via 'Microsoft Educational Advantage' initiatives, but Vista hasn't been distributed via that one.

If you've obtained Vista legitimately via some such scheme, and what you've received is merely the product key emailed to you, there will also be a 'recommended procedure' mentioned and that's what you should follow to obtain an install disk. Assuming that your Vista key is genuine, it sounds to me like you've downloaded or copied from a non-recommended source.


I think calebb is going overboard a bit by suggesting that you need to use a 'Retail DVD' in order to achieve satisfactory results. Both retail Vista and OEM Vista use the same install disk image. All versions of Vista use the same DVD image. Only the VLK Vista disk image is different. So if you haven't achieved an adequate Vista Ultimate install, and you couldn't have achieved what you have there with a VLK disk, then you must have used a downloaded or copied image which is a sub-standard 'hacked' one.


Simple fact? If you make a direct copy of any genuine, non-VLK, hologrammed Vista install disk it will work fine with any genuine non-VLK Vista product key code.
 
Don't you think I know that?

I already said that, 1) I annhilated my install CD, and 2) I downloaded the image.

I know it's a hacked image, one of the lighter images (i specifically found other downloads with names like "vista ultimate no DVD or media center", which isn't what mine said but I think this is the image I have)

I'm now just trying to figure out if I can just get these apps without reimaging
 
No. You can't. That's already been said, hasn't it?

Not unless you use a genuine Vista disk (or a copy of a Genuine disk) and run an over the top upgrade install with it. In other words, choose the 'Upgrade' option from this dialogue box during the Vista install.


If that exceeds your requirement for a fix "without reimaging" then too bad, I'm afraid.
 
Alright, thanks a lot that's what I needed to hear.

I think I'll just do that. Will that be okay upgrading FROM Vista though? Because that's designed to upgrade from XP...

I'll have to see if anyone has done that before, the last thing I want to do is lose my unbacked-up files in a hostile takeover. I'm (guessing) it will just keep the files and programs and change the OS around them sort of, but what happens if the OS has already been changed? It should just overwrite them all then, right?

If that's the case, then I'll end up doing that and I'll just reconfigure everything the way I like it.
 
Can anyone tell me if running the upgrade install of Vista to upgrade FROM Vista will cause any problems?
 
It won't cause any problems at all. I do that every time I need to do an upgrade install and I don't feel like installing XP first. (I install the Vista trial and then upgrade to Vista upgrade)
 
Alright thanks a lot for your input - I appreciate your help a lot!

That's just what I'll do then, so all my files, programs, and settings will remain in tact right? Super.
 
What will retrieving them be like? Will it have every file mushed together in one big folder? And what about programs?
 
You'll have:

windows.000\Windows\
windows.000\users\
windows.000\program files\
windows.000\program data\

And they will be complete copies of what you had - directory trees in-tact.
 
To add to your post, Catweazle,

Once you install the Vista trial, you can boot from the DVD, delete the existing C partition, and perform a 'clean' install with the upgrade media / upgrade CD-Key. (but the installer does check to make sure there is a copy of Windows on the drive before you nuke it)
 
Wait - so what am I dealing with here?

My possibility now is I take the installer DVD, put it in, select the "Upgrade" installer, which will keep my files and programs, and then reimage with all my programs and files intact. So is this method flawed? I didn't double install the first time, I just set up the OS then moved my files folder by folder.
 
When you upgrade from XP -> Vista you have three choices:

1. True Upgrade
2. Hybrid Upgrade (i.e., save all old files/programs/windows folders in Windows.000)
3. Clean Install

When you upgrade from Vista -> Vista you have two choices
1. Hybrid Upgrade
2. Clean Install
 
Make sure you're using a 'proper' Vista install disk, of course, rather than some seemingly dodgy download. That doesn't mean it has to be a genuine, hologrammed Microsoft disk. A burnt copy of a genuine, hologrammed Microsoft disk will work just as well.

You can't 'correct' your borked install with an over the top upgrade, as suggested in my earlier comment. Thanks to calebb for correcting my comment. You'll only have the option to perform a non-destructive clean install (i.e. a 'Custom' install)

But that seems to be the only way to have the features available that you say you want.
 
So am I doing a hybrid upgrade? I do this by selecting "clean install" and then I'll get some options for storing files and programs? Thus just putting all my files in Windows.000?

So then all I have to do from there is reorganize my files and reconfigure my settings?
 
The install option is called "Custom". Select that one, choose the relevent partition, and you're good to go.

All the old stuff will be in a 'windows.old' folder, actually. The 'windows.000, windows.001, windows.002' etc folders get created for subsequent custom installs, if the earlier folders haven't already been removed. 'windows.old' is the original. Your data will be in there. You'll have to reinstall all your software, though.

Sucks to be you, I'm sorry to say. I haven't yet even seen an adequate explanation of how you've arrived at the feature-poor installation you're confronted with.
 
Catweazle said:
Sucks to be you, I'm sorry to say. I haven't yet even seen an adequate explanation of how you've arrived at the feature-poor installation you're confronted with.
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HopePoisoned said:
I know it's a hacked image, one of the lighter images (i specifically found other downloads with names like "vista ultimate no DVD or media center", which isn't what mine said but I think this is the image I have)
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You have to give it to the l33t hax0rs - they are able to cut down on the size of a Windows distro without having access to the source code.

But seriously, I don't think I'm going overboard - change your passwords after you reinstall Windows ;)
 
Well it's not a bad image at all, I just decided I wanted some of the features I was missing out on. I have a new image and I guess I'm doing the custom install.

Thanks for your help.
 
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