AMD end the NDA already what are you waiting for ?

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Zorachus

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I just dont understand this whole thing that AMD/ATI are doing with the 2900 series, it is aleady 6month's late to the game, the rumors all over the web dont look good, and your rival just released another high end card that didnt even need to be released because they already held that top spot since November. But you AMD still wait for the 14th to announce I just dont get that

Before everyone jumps ship and stops waiting for the official announcement, why not just shut everyone up and release the benchmarks already ? What do you have to gain by waitin ? The 8800Ultra just came out and smokes what your best is today in the X1950XTX, so bring on your top next generation the, 2900XTX 1gb VideoCard and let's see what she can do, compared to the competition.

Otherwise I dont see why people should even wait anymore and just get either a GTS for like $350 a nice card for the price, or the crazy [H]Gamer's can buy the top of the line and get an official OC'd Ultra that is 25% faster than a GTX and may be faster then what AMD/ATI will offer but we dont know and that I think is killing AMD sales, again what are you waiting for ?
 
Hard launch. They need as much time as they can get to fully prepare for the demand. If they soft launch it, everyone would be pissed off.
 
SentToSchool said:
Hard launch. They need as much time as they can get to fully prepare for the demand. If they soft launch it, everyone would be pissed off.
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DEMAND ? :rolleyes: For what, a slower and late card

Where will the demand be if you can get a GTS for $50 cheaper and the close to the same speeds of the XT, and what is the truth about the 1gbXTX version ? Will that be as fast as the already available GTX ? Will the XTX even be out or is it in Area51 wiaiting to be made faster with alien technology
 
Zorachus said:
DEMAND ? :rolleyes: For what, a slower and late card

Where will the demand be if you can get a GTS for $50 cheaper and the close to the same speeds of the XT, and what is the truth about the 1gbXTX version ? Will that be as fast as the already available GTX ? Will the XTX even be out or is it in Area51 wiaiting to be made faster with alien technology
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There will always be demand because the price adjusts to the performance. If the 2800XT is slower than the GTX, it will be cheaper than the GTX and will sell.

If they are 6 months late, what makes you think that they'll just decide to break the NDA today and not when they are really ready?

I know you're tired of waiting. So is everyone else. We're suppose to be having $200 8800GS cards by now if the R600 was released with the 8800GTX. But with the lack of competition, we're getting shit performance from the 8600 series and the price of the 8800 series rarely ever budge.

AMD/ATi has pissed enough people off this time and if they are going to launch it, they better be ready and do a good job.
 
Either way, ATi or nVIDIA is going to make a lot more money come May 14th. If people aren't happy with ATi's offering, there goes lots of 8800s into people's hands. If they do succeed in capturing the audience, good. There needs to be competitition!
 
SentToSchool said:
If they are 6 months late, what makes you think that they'll just decide to break the NDA today and not when they are really ready?

AMD/ATi has pissed enough people off this time and if they are going to launch it, they better be ready and do a good job.
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I agree with ya, I was just thinking since the Ultra was officially launched last week, I find it funny nVidia trumped their own high end card, I mean they already owned the performance king with the GTX, no one had anything to beat it, then they release another higher end card to beat themselves :D And still no one can beat it.

Ok AMD/ATI now let's see what you really can offer us, nVidia has every area owned, for a cheap nice card you get the 8800GTS, for a middle of the road card get a stock GTX, for a crazy high end buy a special OC'd Ultra......What can ATI offer that can beat that ?

I want the 1gb Ultra killer from ATI, anything less than that is a total failure in my eyes. Why make a card that is just as good as a GTS, we already have that on the market, and the GTX is here for 6months why just copy the speed of that, I already have one bring on something new and faster otherwise go back to the lab and start over
 
Zorachus said:
I agree with ya, I was just thinking since the Ultra was officially launched last week, I find it funny nVidia trumped their own high end card, I mean they already owned the performance king with the GTX, no one had anything to beat it, then they release another higher end card to beat themselves :D And still no one can beat it.

Ok AMD/ATI now let's see what you really can offer us, nVidia has every area owned, for a cheap nice card you get the 8800GTS, for a middle of the road card get a stock GTX, for a crazy high end buy a special OC'd Ultra......What can ATI offer that can beat that ?

I want the 1gb Ultra killer from ATI, anything less than that is a total failure in my eyes. Why make a card that is just as good as a GTS, we already have that on the market, and the GTX is here for 6months why just copy the speed of that, I already have one bring on something new and faster otherwise go back to the lab and start over
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Even if ATi doesn't have the fastest card, it'll still be much better than not having one. Nvidia is basically a monopoly right now and it sucks ass. We just need ATi or we're screwed.

Remember, Nvidia didn't have the fastest card on the market(X1950XTX) and yet, they sold more cards. It's all about price/performance ratio, power consumption, quietness of the cards, and the availability. If ATi can do that, they'll be in pretty good shape.

There's no point in having an 8800Ultra and folks like you and I shouldn't even worry about it. That card is for rich geeks who want the absolute best and is willing to pay $1k+ for it. Remember the 6800Ultra? It was not much faster than the 6800GT but it was going for over $1k+ on Ebay. Why? Because of supply and demand. Nvidia knows how to make money.
 
Listen I agree again with ya :D

I have had both nVidia and ATI VideoCard's in my system's the last ten years I have been building them. I am no fannboy, I loved each card I bought, and it was always the one that was the top dog for its generation, and usually that swings back and forth each time for both nVidia and ATI, same as AMD and Inel cpu's one generation Intel is top right now, then soon AMD will have the top, it is nice competition and it is a MUST to have, or else we are stuck with just one company and we will have high prices and not much new technology.

But I have to say I am a little more of an ATI fan, and was really pulling for them this generation, I was thinking a couple of months ago with the delays it was because they were making a secret weapon another 9700Pro type card and it would come out and wipe the ass with the 8800GTX, and cost less too, but my dreams seam to be fading the more and more I read which really blows.

So my point is if ya want the best dang card on the planet purchase a official OC'd 8800Ultra, ya want the best bang for the buck get a 8800GTS. Now AMD/ATI where do you fall into that performance gap I really do not know. I do know your coming out with a card to compete with something from last year already and dont even have an answer for it :eek: I mean come the fukk on ATI, what were ya doing since the 8800 launched in November ? It is not like it just came out last week, ya had 6months to prepare for this and still cant beat the GTX :rolleyes:
 
Zorachus said:
ATI, what were ya doing since the 8800 launched in November ? It is not like it just came out last week, ya had 6months to prepare for this and still cant beat the GTX :rolleyes:
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Considering these chips are in development for years what makes you think that 6 months will make such a big difference? If one architecture is inherently superior there isnt much you can do to change that. ATI already has a process advantage at 80nm so it really will be disappointing if they can't trump G80.
 
off topic here but you'd be suprised how much "alien tech" has changed our world as we know it. Not too sure if any of you keep up with that or not. ya know the roswell crash for starters? well thats a whole other thing.

flame away if you like:p
 
trinibwoy said:
Considering these chips are in development for years what makes you think that 6 months will make such a big difference? If one architecture is inherently superior there isnt much you can do to change that. ATI already has a process advantage at 80nm so it really will be disappointing if they can't trump G80.
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6 months can mean a lot if tweaks, drivers, optimizations are made smartly. Not to mention more time = more yield tweaking.
 
Of course, but it can't overcome fundamental architectural issues. And don't forget that Nvidia has also been optimizing and tweaking during that time as well. But I was referring to hardware changes - six months isn't a lot of time at all if you need to go back to the fab.
 
even if ATI's is slower, but if their Vista Drives are prime, unlike CrapVIDIA currently, then they will sell.
 
At this point in the game, a hard launch means NOTHING. all people want is CONFIRMATION that there is a hope for ATi... Hard Launch's only matter if you're first in the game, or the release is close...
 
EquaLiZr said:
off topic here but you'd be suprised how much "alien tech" has changed our world as we know it. Not too sure if any of you keep up with that or not. ya know the roswell crash for starters? well thats a whole other thing.

flame away if you like:p
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I'm not completely sold on Roswell but I have no doubt UFOs are real and the govt knows far more than it lets on. If you look past the disinformation X-files crap, there is convincing evidence. Some very high level people have spoken up for the ET theory as reality not conspiracy. There are declassified DIA documents alluding to the fact. I can't imagine what computing technology aliens could possess. I don't think they pass their time playing video games though. Maybe alien video cards can be used in simulators ? :D Project Snowbird
 
MrGuvernment said:
even if ATI's is slower, but if their Vista Drives are prime, unlike CrapVIDIA currently, then they will sell.
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Look at my signature......running Vista64-Ultimate with my 8800GTX and play all games at 2560x1600rez 4xAA/16xAF and it is smooth as butter with zero problems; WoW, Prey, HalfLife2, Supreme Commander :) :)

But if AMD/ATI dont release the 1gbXTX card next week then they can blow me. Ya had 6+ month's extra to prepare for this day, actually make that more closer to one full year since your last release of the 1950 series in Summer 2006, and after all his time the 2900XT is the best you can produce, man what a sad day for [H]ardware geek's

I want a card that will blow my old 8800GTX out of the water, I mean this GTX from last year already is getting old and dusty and needs new 2007 technology to show it out the door, I guess AMD/ATI still use last year tech ?
 
The nVidia vista drivers did get better in the last month, but they still have plenty of bugs and missing features. For example can you get scaling to work properly?
 
Oh well may as well end this thread already......AMD/ATI lost this round big time, by the time they regain, nVidia will have their 8900GTX out to beat them again......Have to wait for R700 3900XTX to beat a 9900GTX in 2008......

Just still in geek shock after this train wreck, I really held out hope for ATI, thinking sure had a 8800GTX killer in the works, they had so much time to get this right, just dont know how this all went wrong

When and how much will those OC'd 8800Ultra's sell for ? All I really want to know is when does this baby go on sale;
http://www.calibrestyle.com.tw/news/P880U/news_p880u_en.html
Where is the link to buy ?
 
Zorachus said:
go back to the lab and start over
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So ATI should abandon years of R&D and rely entirely on their last-generation cards for 6 months while they bring forward their next next-gen design simply because (hypothetically speaking of course, we only have interweb rumors to base this on) it doesn't outperform their competitor? A business that runs this way is bound to go bankrupt before long.


MrGuvernment said:
even if ATI's is slower, but if their Vista Drives are prime, unlike CrapVIDIA currently, then they will sell.
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And I will buy. So will many others.
 
I understand it is nice to have ATI for the competition, without them we may night even have a 8800series as good as we have ?

I am just upset because I had this geek dreams of ATI making a 8800GTX killer after all this time, I mean the 8800 is last years card, and the 2900 series is this years hot brand new technology, so I was hoping for a card at least 25% faster from ATI, anything less to me is a sad letdown
 
The wait is getting boring. I can't talk about rumors because they are all bad and ATI fans start flaming me as if I engineered the card myself. I can't talk about anything but rumours because all the 'respectible' sites are under NDA. It's a stalemate.

About the sales, it should sell well no matter what. People are still buying Athlon CPUs although they can get much much better Intel Core2Duo's for the same price. When C2D came out and AMD didn't have anything to compete, I thought market share of Intel would skyrocket. However, it increased only 6-7%. I don't know why... Maybe it's easy to sell things to people. No matter how fast or slow R600 cards are, chances are they'll sell well. Maybe not as good as nvidia cards, but they should still help AMD's bottom line.
 
The way I think of it, N-vidia did a surpizingly good job with the 8800GTX. Before its realease, very few details where leaked and most people where surprized with its performance when it came out.

Nvidia spent US$ 400 Million on R&D over 3 years in order to deliver the G80 generation. They did quite a few interesting architecture choices and I think it really paid off for them.
- I don't see anything wrong with Nvidia charging $999 for the latest and best video card. If people don't like the price tag, get the 8600GT instead.
 
Zorachus said:
I am just upset because I had this geek dreams of ATI making a 8800GTX killer after all this time, I mean the 8800 is last years card, and the 2900 series is this years hot brand new technology, so I was hoping for a card at least 25% faster from ATI, anything less to me is a sad letdown
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G80 was in development for what, 4 years and you think ATI can adjust their architechture to compete in 6 months. Facing the facts, G80 came from the bushes and owns like R300 did back in the day. Nvidia released a half assed 5800 series to compete and made themself look like jokes, so there we have it, these things happen. :)

Your geek dream is ruined, get over it, its just not possible for a 3D company to pull architechture miracles out of their a.sses in just 6 month time. No matter how much we or you might want ATI to compete, its not just going to happen, atleast not in the high end.

I have no doubt that 2900XT will be a very nice card, beating 8800GTS in performance, and the price (400$) looks be good also. If their cooling is not too noisy and drivers are golden, there will be plenty of buyers.
 
The R600 is almost old tech, atleast compared to the 8800 serie that has been out 6-7 months ?
 
Robin B said:
The R600 is almost old tech, atleast compared to the 8800 serie that has been out 6-7 months ?
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R600 is newer tech just not as efficient as G80. We see the same stuff for example in racing cars every day. The newest is not always the best and fastest :(

I halfly agree with people who say 6 months is a long time in the industry. I say halfly because I don´t think that people really see how much into the future the players develop.This is why when the competition suprises the other in terms of performance etc, there really is not much they can do about in 6 months time. Both ATI and Nvidia do not live so much in the G80/R600 time as we do, while we word fight here at the forums which ones card is the best, ATI/Nvidia are allrdy developing the next generation of 3D chips.

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Guess this can be summed up as following. To us it seems 6 months is long time, but when you compare to R&D and development times ATI/Nvidia are putting to their architechtures its not so long. Best example G80, which has been in the drawing board for 4 years.
 
I like how some of you guys are just throwing out random comments in which you have no actual clue as to the reality of the situation... "R600 is old tech.." How do you know? Has it been released? Have you tested it? "R600 isn't as efficient as the G80" ... same question goes to you?

Being the first card to output HDMI isn't what I consider to be "old tech" or outdated, folks need to stop making random speculations about something that isn't even avaliable yet.

Same goes about it's performance, energy efficiency, etc. In good or bad terms. Acting like "you know" what it is and isn't capable of.. it's one thing if you insert "i think" or "it might" or "maybe", but to flat out say "it is this" or "it is that", when it doesn't even exist is.. foolish? Both comments and criticisms that applies to, who knows what it's going to do, how good or how bad it will be, and reading speculations are fun, but when people start claiming they know these things it just gets ridiculous and annoying to listen to.
 
SentToSchool said:
If I bought an 8800GTX, I would pray that the R600 will not beat it.
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Because then, obviously, your 8800GTX would stop functioning out of depression from being beaten by the R600 :rolleyes: Competition is good, and good competition doesn't make your beloved hardware suddenly break down and stop working. Games still run just as well as they did before you found out there was something faster out there. On the other hand if you're just in it for the bragging rights, then good luck to you and your e-peen.
 
Oh4Sh0 said:
"R600 isn't as efficient as the G80" ... same question goes to you?
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I read a hardware reviewers comment on a discussion area where he clairly indicated that 2900XT will not be competing with 8800GTX. With that info Iam pretty confident to say that R600 architechture is not as efficient as G80.
 
lol, great creditional info there, and that's a far stretch. With no benchmarks testing power usage and no benchmarks showing performance, what exactly is your definition of "efficient" ? :rolleyes:
 
Oh well, the R600 is dead before it was even released......Too bad for AMD buying ATI and having a 6+ month to come up with a faster than GTX card and they fall short, AMD has got to be pissed......

Ya want a cheap nice card get a 8800GTS, ya want the best video card ever made on the planet get an official OC'd 8800Ultra, where does that leave a 2900 ? Who know's who care's at this point, it is game over for the 2900, call me when the 2950XTX is released and can beat the 8900GTX this Fall/Winter if that is even possible, if not then I will wait unil 2008 and see if AMD can push ATI to make their 3900XTX beat the 9900GTX
 
There's enough doomsaying in this thread to bring about the next Apocalypse.
 
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