Disgruntled s939 owner agrees...

Manny Calavera said:
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1437/


Wake up AMD....I have two AMD s939 mobo's and cpu's and TONS of DDR1, that I
really dread have to go the way of the dodo.Wanna keep me and a few people I know ?
Throw us a bone,a X2 6000+ on 939 would be nice.Show the enthusiast community
we have not been forgotten,like the read headed stepchild. :eek:

Its money in thier pocket,and dont tell me they cant do it ! That is pure utter crap !
nothing more.... nothing less.I would have not gone Intel and C2D,soon to be Q2C
if they had put out a few X2 5600/6000+,etc..... :rolleyes:
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http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1030949890#post1030949890
:rolleyes:
 
BigMacAttack said:
:) Right back at ya! :D
And Donnie is quite right. Big businesses care more about $$$ than our personal preferences. They lead and we follow - like lemmings to the sea. As long as they make $$ and make the shareholders happy that's all that really counts. Sure they'll toss us a bone every now and then but business is business and if it takes a new socket tech to make their product work they are going to do it regardless of how we feel about it. They know that if we want the newer tech we'll buy it. As Donnie said - both AMD and Intel are guilty of this. Tech leads - consumers follow. Sad but true. If we didn't demand better products we could all still be happy with what we had in the past. But we all want and DEMAND faster products so we have to suffer the consequences. Look at all the poeple who ahve switched from AMD to Intel. They demanded better performance and Intel delivered. They opted to pony up for the better performing product which meant they had to "switch sockets" and just about everything else too. If you want to play you gotta pay. If not, then use what you have and be happy until you need to upgrade. Then get the best you can get within your budget. It has been like this since the dawn of the personal computer age. I saw the 8088 come in, then the 286, 386, etc. Its no different now than then.
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Oh Absolutely FT! Tech-Gadgets are drugs and we're all hooked.
 
At the end of the day, it's really all about choice, isn't it?

We can all choose to upgrade on a whim, when something new and "better" comes out. We can all choose to stand pat with what you got, enjoy it, squeeze more out of it, until such time when our "needs" are no longer satisfied. We can all choose to change camps at any time. We can choose to believe when the tech suppliers tell us "You need X because Y will require it to run Z."

The point is, I refuse to be sheep and just be led and seduced by whatever is shiny and new. I personally don't care about "having the best" because that state is always transient in the first place; nothing ever stays the same. No matter how good you are, or how good your equipment is, there will always be someone who will have just that little bit more extra that's just out of your reach. The sooner you come to terms with this, the easier life becomes.

As many have said, the essential question should always be: "Will my equipment do what I ask it to the way I want it to?" The answer to this question is something that we all have a say in as well. I don't know about you, but I'd like to control as many things about my own life as possible. That extends to controlling needless desire and the perpetual urge to "have the best" or "be the best."

I have a S939 system (several, in fact), and I love it to death. In the year since I've built it I've learned so much about system building. I've even now built systems for other people. And always, always, I ask the client, "What do you need for this PC to do for you?" None of them have ever wanted a more expensive machine than what was necessary to fulfill their own needs. You know what else? Everyone of them is quite happy with their custom PC, too.

I'm sure the day will come when my primary rig (rig in sig) will no longer be able to do what I want it to do the way I want it to. But I seriously don't think it's a day that's coming too soon.

Probably not for at least a year or two, actually...
 
Don't worry guys, with the promised %40 performance boost - the Quadcore will whoop anything!!!!!!













:rolleyes:
 
Time will tell, eh? If true then none of us will be decrying the loss of our dearly departed loved ones (s754 and s939). :p
 
And if it sucks rotten goat ass? At least you know that an upgrade is going to happen in the near future.....just not sure about the platform.
 
If it sucks then AMD is in a world of hurt and we'll be left with Intel. Personally I prefer competition to only 1 player in the market but if AMD can't deliver then they are going to be a non-entity. That's business. If they want a job and a paycheck they'll either deliver or close up shop and go get jobs elsewhere leaving you and me no other choice but to change sockets anyway. Either way we're gonna have to bite the bullet eventually so what's the big to-do?
 
BigMacAttack said:
If it sucks then AMD is in a world of hurt and we'll be left with Intel. Personally I prefer competition to only 1 player in the market but if AMD can't deliver then they are going to be a non-entity. That's business. If they want a job and a paycheck they'll either deliver or close up sjop and go get jobs elsewhere leaving you and me no other choice but to change sockets anyway. Either way we're gonna have to bite the bullet eventually so what's the big to-do?
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Yes, we all need both of these companies to show up with their "A" Game:) Then no matter who you like, you get good products. Then the flame fests would just be Geeks Nit-Picking. Nothing like when X2 was just kicking the crap out of the P4D or Conroe over that same X2. A slower overall market is what's saving our asses right now or I'm pretty sure Intel would be raping us if not.

With that said, unless I'm mistaken I believe Intel doesn't build enough Processors to fill the whole market. So VIA and etc.. would have to fill a large Void if AMD weren't there. That would mean even if Intel didn't raise prices, the Distributes and OEMs would jack up prices, they'd have NO choice. Again, there are rumors of folks trying to buy out AMD.
 
Draax said:
I agree with the OP. If people want to see why PC gaming is on the decline, they need only look at socket revisions which make very little performance difference, yet require numerous components to be replaced.
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Amen.
Add me to the list, even though I still run a barton 2500 :cool: I would love to upgrade, but with a baby on the way :D I've got a snowballs chance in hell of getting a whole new system right now. But even if I could; things just aren't stable enough or good enough (games and gaming platforms) to warrant a complete new system.

The industry is just pushing too hard for me right now. Getting a new system every year is ridiculous.
 
Yes, I'm no longer a member of the 939 fan club. AMD just left us all hanging out to dry. I need more power than the 2.5ghz my x2 3800+ can do, but theres no way I'm dishing out $300+ for the 2.6ghz socket 939 opteron, when 3.0ghz AM2 are $239. And if I have to get a new mobo, ddr2 ram, and I'm getting a conroe. AM2 was a big mistake in my eyes. AMD should have kept giving us 939 people higher speed processors until they came out with something that can actually compete with conroe, and then make us upgrade motherboards and ram.
 
lol, what would be really funny is if they start becoming profitable again and decide to use some of their profits to produce K10 processors for socket 754 and socket 939. Then they would have lots of sales from people who don't want to change motherboards. :D
 
I think a lot of people are really caught up with the best and the greatest and not truly appreciating what they have already. I, for instance, was really caught up in upgrading to a really nice machine last summer (coming from an Athlon XP 2000+). I was excited at the prospect of being able to finally play all these great new games that were out and revisiting the old ones for a new experience. Once I put my Opteron based machine together, within a few hours, I was back doing my old routine of surfing the Internet (these forums :D) while listening to my MP3's as well as watching movies again. The same thing I was able to do with my old machine! :eek:

While I'm not saying I embody the mindset of everyone on these forums, I think a lot of people share somewhat of an equivalent view as I do. It's just always fun to drool over the latest and greatest, which, in a way, is not much different than a drug addiction. :p

I still love my 939 platform to death because it can do everything and anything I need it to do. Fortunately, I'm also not trying to render CGI effects for movies nor am I trying to find the equation for the Quantum Physics of God. ;) And thankfully, I'm happy with games running between 30 - 60 fps rather than the coveted 100+ fps that so many seek to achieve. ;)

I think if anything, most 939 owners should look more towards video card upgrades to enhance their gaming experience rather than seeking to add that extra half inch to their e-penis. In my experience, overclocking my Opteron 165 from the stock 1.8GHz to my current 2.7GHz didn't give the tremendous boost in performance for games that a new video card did for me.

I hope no one mistakes this post as an "I'm holier than thou" rant. I just hope that most people can put things into perspective and appreciate the fact that their 939 platform is still a viable solution that may not win benchmarks but certainly does get the job done in the end. :)
 
All AMD did was push out a new socket with promises of better performance and fell through! HAHAHA, all you AMD guys were suckered into buying a new socket for NOTHING; AMD is a dirty-dealing company who tricks their customers into spending more money on intentional and useless socket changes!!!

Wait, that sounds familiar; oh yes, that's right, it's what all the AMD people were saying during the 955X->975X transition. :rolleyes:

</sarcasm>

My point? Stop complaining. Neither side is perfect, and industries make mistakes sometimes. It's not a ploy by anyone to sell you hardware (take off your tin foil hat). This is what happens to early adopters - it's a gamble: sometimes you get an extra 6 months out of kickass hardware, and sometime you get gypped.

AMD is trying as hard as they can to get Barcelona out the door, going back to socket 939 would require valuable time and money to be spent on reviving old technologies, which rarely pays off (the only exception to this being the early Pentium Ms, which evolved into Core 2 Duos). AM2 is a stopgap between K8 and K10, it's just that time of the cycle in the industry. Give it time, you will eventually have a reason to make the jump. All the people who "unnecessarily" jumped to 975X during the Pentium D era where well rewarded in the end; your time will come.
 
InorganicMatter said:
All AMD did was push out a new socket with promises of better performance and fell through! HAHAHA, all you AMD guys were suckered into buying a new socket for NOTHING; AMD is a dirty-dealing company who tricks their customers into spending more money on intentional and useless socket changes!!!

Wait, that sounds familiar; oh yes, that's right, it's what all the AMD people were saying during the 955X->975X transition. :rolleyes:

</sarcasm>

My point? Stop complaining. Neither side is perfect, and industries make mistakes sometimes. It's not a ploy by anyone to sell you hardware (take off your tin foil hat). This is what happens to early adopters - it's a gamble: sometimes you get an extra 6 months out of kickass hardware, and sometime you get gypped.

AMD is trying as hard as they can to get Barcelona out the door, going back to socket 939 would require valuable time and money to be spent on reviving old technologies, which rarely pays off (the only exception to this being the early Pentium Ms, which evolved into Core 2 Duos). AM2 is a stopgap between K8 and K10, it's just that time of the cycle in the industry. Give it time, you will eventually have a reason to make the jump. All the people who "unnecessarily" jumped to 975X during the Pentium D era where well rewarded in the end; your time will come.
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QFT!

That's why I skipped both. If given a Code Name, AMD2 would be K9.5 or K9+.
 
AMD themselves said that AM2 would only bring a 0-5% performance advantage over s939 with the same processor rating. There was no trickery involved.

AM2 was merely a stepping stone in to the relm of DDR2 for AMD.
 
RamonGTP said:
AMD themselves said that AM2 would only bring a 0-5% performance advantage over s939 with the same processor rating. There was no trickery involved.

AM2 was merely a stepping stone in to the relm of DDR2 for AMD.
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I don't disagree I was just saying that X2 was the K9 as the other poster said "AM2 is a stopgap between K8 and K10":) AM2 X2 = 9+ or 9.5.
 
The other poster also said:

AMD is a dirty-dealing company who tricks their customers into spending more money on intentional and useless socket changes!!!

I'm merely pointing out that AMD was very forthcoming about the performance of AM2, there was no smoke and mirrors about AM2's release. It's merely a 939 processor with a DDR2 memory controller and a few other enhancements like virtualization technology. AMD never claimed it to be anything more.
 
RamonGTP said:
The other poster also said:

AMD is a dirty-dealing company who tricks their customers into spending more money on intentional and useless socket changes!!!

I'm merely pointing out that AMD was very forthcoming about the performance of AM2, there was no smoke and mirrors about AM2's release. It's merely a 939 processor with a DDR2 memory controller and a few other enhancements like virtualization technology. AMD never claimed it to be anything more.
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I know but was he trying to be funny:D As I already said, that's why I skipped both. By both I mean 939 and i975. Intel also said that some/most 975's wouldn't be compat with Conroe. Even had some Intel guys flame me LOL!
 
Well, technically you didn't skip i975 since P965 is actually newer ;)

EDIT: Oh, nvm... I get what you're saying :p
 
So AMD was kicking Intel's butt performance wise for quite a few years.. and now when Intel finally gets a break and gets a faster product out.. you all are whining because AMD has stopped making S939 processors....

That would be like the Slot-A (original Athlon) people getting mad because AMD stopped making those processors when they switched back to a socket design....

Before AM2 even came out.. I already knew that it wouldn't offer any performance increase.. all you have to do is look at how high the DDR2 latencies are compared to
DDR1 latencies.... don't flame AMD for your choosing to "upgrade" without doing proper research beforehand... no reason at all to go from S939 to AM2.

I don't need a new system anytime soon... a better video card might be in the works in the not too distant future... when and only when I can no longer play games at a nice resolution and high detail (and I've only got a 7900GS right now... plays everything I through at it just fine).

We will just have to wait and see what AMD releases.. no reason to flame them about putting out stuff with newer technology.. No reason for them to keep supporting old technology....

If everybody in the electronics industry had the mentality of "we want our old stuff" and "down with new stuff"... we would still be using vacuum tubes and programming on punch cards.... hehe

Think about it!
 
What we are complaining about, is the fact that AM2 is totally useless, there are basically zero performance gains from DDR2, and if we want faster AMD cpus, we can't get them for socket 939 anymore without paying over $300 for an opteron, when the AM2 3.0ghz is $238. Effectively, they are forcing us to upgrade our mobo and our ram, just to get a faster cpu that really doesn't need the DDR2. With basically the same cpu, they've made 3 different sockets, 754, 939, AM2, and all thats changed is single channel, dual channel, and now ddr2. It's bad business, and people like myself, since I can't upgrade my cpu anymore, are switching to intel because we have to get new mobos and ram as it is, and core2 destroys AM2.
 
As I believe others have said AM2 allowed AMD to make in rodes with OEMs as it lowered the cost of making systems due to a single memory type used across intel and amd setups. The reason this lowers cost is not due to technical reasons, but rather stocking issues and liability. Say amd stuck with socket 939 and ddr1, any company supporting them would have to factor in lost capital to memory that could potentially sit on the shelfs for a long time before some one buys an AMD system. Going to DDR2 allowed OEMs to pick up amd at a lower liability cost than had amd been on ddr1 (obviously there is still liability as you could have cpus and mobos sitting around, but the point is the memory switch lowered that liability).

I am a socket 939 owner and I hold no grudge against amd for making this move. Hell I still have the agp board I got the month before pci express mobos hit the market.
 
AM2 is useless to those witha narrow minded view who lack the ability to think outside the box.

First off, not everyone who owns a computer owns a Socket 939 system. People with older systems looking to upgrade would save money on AM2 becuase of significantly lower DDR2 prices compared to DDR these days.

It also allows AMD to fine tune their DDR2 memory controller so that when they come out with their next product in which AMD actually IS claiming to be pretty kick ass (barcelona), that it actually delivers what it promises.

Is it useless to owners of high end s939 systems? Yes, for the most part it is, but your needs do not represent the rest of the worlds, get over it.
 
RamonGTP said:
First off, not everyone who owns a computer owns a Socket 939 system. People with older systems looking to upgrade would save money on AM2 becuase of significantly lower DDR2 prices compared to DDR these days.
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people with older systems doing a full upgrade would be much wiser to go C2D, same cheap DDR2, the cheapest c2d isnt that much more expensive then a x2 3600 anymore, and since the 22nd price drops, intel is right back on track on beating amd on price/performance, they are pretty much equal stock, and dont get me started on Ocing, when the lowest end intel (allright, lowest end c2d) can beat the highest end amd, they ARE in trouble


now dont get me wrong, ive been a huge amd fan for the last four years, the only intel i have owned myself EVER was the celeron 2.8 in my previous laptop, and only because there were no cheap amd lappys back then

but recently, ive sort of started seeing the light, if i buy a e4300 now and OC it to 2.4 (which is a trivial OC, one bios setting and you are set) it will level pegg with the x2 6000, and then i havent even started OCing for real yet!

and then there is the quad core issue, granted intels QCs are a bit of a bodge job, and i would have prefered a true quad design, but amd has nothing yet. release dates keep slipping, intro clocks seem a bit low. then keep in mind that by Q3 the C2Q 6600 will drop to 266 bucks. I for one have trouble believing AMD will launch even the slowest of their Qcs that low, and dont get me started on the mobo thing, yes most likely any decent AM2 board will accept K10s, but you really kind of want an AM2+ board, and i am not to fond of buying first gen boards...

the point is, considering the memory situation equal, intel offers you a killer dual core chip with an easy upgrade to QC if you so desire for 266 in a few months, amd has nothing to beat it


i feel sorry for amd, i really love them, and i love the K8/9 architecture (hell, i myself have bought no less then 6 AMD k8/9s in the past two years, and recommended 1 to my uncle) but they just have nothing to compete against intel anymore, besides the sub $100 single core bracket

blah, ill stop ranting now
 
I agree, that a C2D is definatly the better choice but there are still two types of people that will get a completely new AM2 system regardless, and those people are..

1) AMD die hards (Not TOO many of those)

2) Penny Pinchers (plenty of these guys around)

Lets also not forget that the majority of people don't build their own systems, but rather go to the local bestbuy and buy one, and the majority of those people want the cheapest PC they can find that will meet their needs. A lot of times, that will be an AM2 based system, regardless of weather or not there is a better C2D system right next to it for only $50-$100 more. It's like going to the local theatre and getting a bottle of water from the concession stand. You can get the small bottle for $3.50 or get one twice the size for $4.00. Many people will still get the small bottle if that's all they need, even though you can get twice as much for not much more.
 
yeah you have a point, but as for the penny pinchers, i live about 6 thousand kms from the nearest best buy so im a bit clueless on the american market, but how big is the chance there is a pentium D system next to the am2 one for $50 less?

oh and on the socket longevity thing, AFAIK penryn will be the last intel release on 775, Nehalem is rumored to feature an integrated memory controller among other things, which would mean bye bye to 775
 
RamonGTP said:
AM2 is useless to those witha narrow minded view who lack the ability to think outside the box.

First off, not everyone who owns a computer owns a Socket 939 system. People with older systems looking to upgrade would save money on AM2 becuase of significantly lower DDR2 prices compared to DDR these days.

It also allows AMD to fine tune their DDR2 memory controller so that when they come out with their next product in which AMD actually IS claiming to be pretty kick ass (barcelona), that it actually delivers what it promises.

Is it useless to owners of high end s939 systems? Yes, for the most part it is, but your needs do not represent the rest of the worlds, get over it.
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In your rambling you lost site of the original arguement, that AMD cutting off 939 owners has cost them dearly, which it has. Something should have clicked at AMD when they realized they weren't selling buckets of AM2, and socket 939 manufacturing should have continued for some time. There are any number of people who would be buying 939 instead of core2 right now is the center of this discussion. AMD is in bad shape right now when it didn't have to be.
 
I'm in this boat:

Any higher end X2 939 cpus I can find are expensive, used, etc and the bang for the buck isn't really there. An X2 s939 3800+ doesn't really turn my crank.

If I could buy an X2 5600+ in s939 at the AM2 price - $235cdn - I would - it would be less performance than a C2D, but an easy easy upgrade. Would I fork out $235 to end up with a less-than-zomg dualcore to avoid swapping out a mobo and doing a reinstall? Yup.

My Asrock mobo has an AM2 cpu upgrade board available, for about $40cdn, figure $120 for 2GB cheap DDR2, and $235 for the cpu = $395cdn.

Or I could spend $75cdn on another Asrock mobo in socket 775, buy the same cheap DDR2 ram for $120 and an e4300 for $139cdn for a total of $334cdn. Now the e4300 in this mobo is "only" going to OC to 285 - 300 FSB for a total speed of "only" 2.56 - 2.7Ghz, but it still wins.

And if I go the C2D route, I might as well spend another $50 on a better mobo and go for the 3.2Ghz OC... I'm still ahead of the AM2 option - and for people who don't have the "cheap cpu add-in board" option - the AM2 upgrade path is even more expensive.
 
Everyone pining for a faster cpu, it seems to me, is forgeting that you can oc your present system to the faster system's level and even to its oc level and have the same performance for less $$$ outlay. Yes, it takes time and a willingness to experiment but the gains are well worth the effort -and you'lll learn some things about your system as well. Sure, its fun to have Christmas in April by picking up a new cpu but think about it - is a 400mhz upgrade going to really improve performance all that much? I'm still on skt 754 and have owned all the newer Venice cpu's (3000+, 3200+ and 3400+) as well as the older 3400+ and 3700+ Clawhammers and you know what? They all oc to more or less the exact same threshold! I can take my 3700+ Claw to 2.6, my 3000+ Venice to 2.7, my 3200+ Venice to 2.7 and my 3400+ Venices to 2.7 and 2.8 respectively. I had hoped for more but it isn't happening. The physical liabilities inherent in the design limits the overall performance. I'd suspect its pretty much the same situation for s939 as well. A new cpu isn't going to do anything but stroke your ego and make you lighter in the pocket. Maybe it would sound cooler to say "I've got an uber X2 6000+" (if there was one for s939) than to say "I've only got an X2 3800+" but when oc'd the only way to tell the diffference between the two is in benchmarks. Maybe the hypothetical X2 6000+ would have a very slight edge but it wouldn't be noticeable in the real world and that's where performance counts. Overclocking a slower cpu that is on the same platform as a higher performance cpu will get you right up there to nearly the same level because the lower rated cpu has more headroom than the faster (@ stock) cpu. They'll both hit a wall and it usually is the same speed for either one.
I too decried AM2 just before it launched as being pretty much useless from a performance standpoint but, as has been said, AMD needed a stopgap measure to deal with Intel and DDR2. Was it a waste of time? More than likely, but so was s939 compared to s754 - at first. Then the dual core cpu's made their debut and then it made sense to go s939. AM2 boards will accept K10 cpu's but with limited features so its not a total loss - t least that's the official story anyway. If they make good on this claim there will be a lot of happy AM2 users out there and some of the s939 users may be sorry they didn't upgrade earlier. Time will tell.
In the mean time enjoy your rig or upgrade to Intel's C2D - but just remember if you do you'll still be in the same boat. Its the price of progress unfortunately. Looking back over your shoulder and pining for what you had will only get you turned into a pillar of salt (see "Lot's wife" if you don't get the reference).
 
RamonGTP said:
Well, technically you didn't skip i975 since P965 is actually newer ;)

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Sigh*. i975 came out almost a year before i965P. I clung to my i875-2.6C and 939/3500+.
I skipped upgrades to both AM2 and i975. Most i975s were not compat with Conroe. There's nothing "technically" about since i975 is on newer in name. i965P features newer tech than i975, from ICH to whatever. I got flamed because I said most wouldn't be compat when many folks here on the Intel side thought they would be. Oh and there was a pretty big slug-fest on the side of the forum when some us pointed that AM2 was useless as well.
 
Nope - can't OC present rig any further.

I put expensive ram into it, put a decent aftermarket cooler on it, volt modded the mobo for extra vcore, have too many casefans for my liking. It don't fly no faster.

The thing is, an e4300 with cheap DDR2 667 ram and stock hsf will hit 3ghz, maybe 3.2 on a $125 cdn mobo.

A jacked up s939 X2 @ 3ghz might compare similarly with it if it was running @ stock 1.8ghz. I doubt I'd get a cheap s939 X2 3800+ up to 3Ghz on my mobo.

And the price to go to entry level C2D that I know is faster than any OC'd s939 ain't that much money, and since I'd be happy with a fairly easy 3ghz OC, it won't cost too much time either.

AMD had me, and alot of other s939 users. Then they decided they'd rather have Dell.

I don't think anyone would argue that financially, that didn't exactly work out too well.
 
markintosh13 said:
I'm in this boat:

Any higher end X2 939 cpus I can find are expensive, used, etc and the bang for the buck isn't really there. An X2 s939 3800+ doesn't really turn my crank.

If I could buy an X2 5600+ in s939 at the AM2 price - $235cdn - I would - it would be less performance than a C2D, but an easy easy upgrade. Would I fork out $235 to end up with a less-than-zomg dualcore to avoid swapping out a mobo and doing a reinstall? Yup.

My Asrock mobo has an AM2 cpu upgrade board available, for about $40cdn, figure $120 for 2GB cheap DDR2, and $235 for the cpu = $395cdn.

Or I could spend $75cdn on another Asrock mobo in socket 775, buy the same cheap DDR2 ram for $120 and an e4300 for $139cdn for a total of $334cdn. Now the e4300 in this mobo is "only" going to OC to 285 - 300 FSB for a total speed of "only" 2.56 - 2.7Ghz, but it still wins.

And if I go the C2D route, I might as well spend another $50 on a better mobo and go for the 3.2Ghz OC... I'm still ahead of the AM2 option - and for people who don't have the "cheap cpu add-in board" option - the AM2 upgrade path is even more expensive.
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QFT!
 
What ever happened to the fabled socket 939 X2 6000+? I have seen rumors about it all over, some NCIX employee was talking about these procs. If such a thing exists, why aren't more produced? I have maxed the overclock on my motherboard/processor I would very much like to do the same with a reasonably priced 6000+.

Edit : Sigh never mind, NCIX updated the thread and said they were only getting 4800+'s in.
 
markintosh13 said:
AMD had me, and alot of other s939 users. Then they decided they'd rather have Dell.

I don't think anyone would argue that financially, that didn't exactly work out too well.
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Very well spoken. Kyle said it best - "the only thing these hardware companies love about you is your money." If you guys really think that AMD gives a damn about any of us, you are sadly mistaken. Apparently they value Dell more than us, and Dell is quite content with AM2. Why would they switch back to S939 and upset their move valued customer?
 
BigMacAttack said:
Everyone pining for a faster cpu, it seems to me, is forgeting that you can oc your present system to the faster system's level and even to its oc level and have the same performance for less $$$ outlay.
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i dont mind OCing, but i do want stability. the fact that i am using all four ram slots (already had 2x512 if quality ram, couldnt bring myself to bin those and get 2x1gb) on my 939 means that im lucky to even be able to run them at 400, OCing doesnt go very far for me with this setup. and obviously i dont feel like investing in a new 939 mobo or new DDR

this 939 setup i have is fast for sure, but its a dead end both as far as OCing or faster drop ins are concerned

currently im seriously considering a 4300 on a gigabyte ds3 with off course the drop in option of a quad core in Q3
 
covertash said:
I think a lot of people are really caught up with the best and the greatest and not truly appreciating what they have already.

. I just hope that most people can put things into perspective and appreciate the fact that their 939 platform is still a viable solution that may not win benchmarks but certainly does get the job done in the end. :)
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+1

My s939 4800 still kicks arse. It might be a little hotter and slower than a C2D, but for now and the next 18-24 months, combined with a decent GPU solution, I'll be able to do all the normal things i do (music, movies, web, gaming) with more than enough horsepower.

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DrFreeze said:
i dont mind OCing, but i do want stability. the fact that i am using all four ram slots (already had 2x512 if quality ram, couldnt bring myself to bin those and get 2x1gb) on my 939 means that im lucky to even be able to run them at 400, OCing doesnt go very far for me with this setup. and obviously i dont feel like investing in a new 939 mobo or new DDR

this 939 setup i have is fast for sure, but its a dead end both as far as OCing or faster drop ins are concerned

currently im seriously considering a 4300 on a gigabyte ds3 with off course the drop in option of a quad core in Q3
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Well - one thing to consider - if there was a faster cpu available and you got it you more than likely would be limited in your oc'ing endeavors by that very mobo that is hurting your perfomance right now. The only benefit to installing a faster cpu is for those people who bought systems that are not oc'able, (Dell, Gateway, HP, etc). If you aren't limited to running at stock speeds a faster (more expensive) cpu will do you very little good. If your system is hitting a wall now it would most likely hit that very same wall with a newer, faster cpu becauue you aren't dealing with the root problem (mobo in your case). Sometimes one's choice of ram is the problem, other times its the mobo and then again it may be the psu. Dropping in a new, faster cpu is only a band-aid approach IMO. If you want more from your present system perhaps a less expensive option would be to upgrade to a far better mobo, ram or psu which would cost you 1/2 to 2/3 the price of a new cpu. Maybe you could pick up some additional performance, maybe not. In any case if your oc is maxed out now a new cpu would probably not help all that much without other adjustments as well.
If speed is what you crave/need then either an AMD AM2 X2 3600 oc'd to nearly 3.0 (if you can get it there) or an Intel C2D setup is the answer. Right now, C2D makes the most sense it would seem.
 
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