My 3007-HC is on order

Guys,

need someone to help me. I need to know the measurement of the box the monitor came in. I tried to do search, google, and Dell chat to no avail. Also, if I hooked this up to a single link, does the monitor scale to a lower resolution but display full screen? I just need to do this temporarily to check for any dead pixels and other problems. Thanks in advance.
 
The box is 33" x 11" x 27"

The display doesn't have a scaler... 2 resolutions only. My nVidia card scales to anything I throw at it though, so its not a problem for PC use if your card scales.
 
Sorry, I misread your post about single link. It needs dual link to get the native resolution, and I am not positive but I think it will scale to full screen if connected to single link... but obviously the text would be huge. I don't know this positively, but I thought I had read it before.
 
exe said:
Also, if I hooked this up to a single link, does the monitor scale to a lower resolution but display full screen? I just need to do this temporarily to check for any dead pixels and other problems. Thanks in advance.
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Yes, it will be full screen on single link. Even without your computer on, if the monitor is plugged in but detects no signal, it will cycle through solid colors and you might be able to see dead pixels with that. I've found the best way to find dead pixels is to use your video card control panel to make the brightness and contrast 10%--the screen gets really dim except for stuck-on pixels.

The noise of the monitor near max brightness is a bigger deal to me. My current screen is very quiet but has 2 stuck-green pixels near two edges, and it's nearly impossible to see them usually.
 
zzz said:
Yes, it will be full screen on single link. Even without your computer on, if the monitor is plugged in but detects no signal, it will cycle through solid colors and you might be able to see dead pixels with that. I've found the best way to find dead pixels is to use your video card control panel to make the brightness and contrast 10%--the screen gets really dim except for stuck-on pixels.

The noise of the monitor near max brightness is a bigger deal to me. My current screen is very quiet but has 2 stuck-green pixels near two edges, and it's nearly impossible to see them usually.
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I was told that this type of panel will display dead pixels as black, so I made the whole screen white and looked closely and found nothing. Is there a better "official" way to check for dead pixels?

Also, mine is completely silent as far as I can tell.... with my head a couple inches from the display while turning it off and on.
 
convergent said:
I was told that this type of panel will display dead pixels as black, so I made the whole screen white and looked closely and found nothing. Is there a better "official" way to check for dead pixels?

Also, mine is completely silent as far as I can tell.... with my head a couple inches from the display while turning it off and on.
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Google "dead pixel buddy". It's a program that will help you out.
 
cr2000 said:
Well a bit under 4 weeks and my monitor died, well almost. For the past couple weeks it's been flashing once every couple hours, just a quick flash of the entire screen, almost unnoticeable. Last night it did the same thing a couple times then developed a vertical red line down the center of the monitor. It appears an entire column of red pixels is stuck on. Dell is sending a replacement. The monitor was nice while it lasted.
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We'll I just got my replacement monitor. Took a bit of arguing with Dell because they wanted to replace it with a refurbished monitor. I felt that was unfair given that mine was just 4 weeks old. They conceded and sent a brand new one.

I had revision A00, this monitor is revision A03. Couple observations:

1. The light bleed issue on a black screen still exists. The location seems more to the center/right than center/left as on my original monitor.

2. THe buzzing sound on max brightness is much, much louder than A00 I had. One click down from max brightness is tolerable.

Just my feeling on this, but I think these monitors are going to be problematic a year or so from now. I had a Dell 2005FPW for close to 3 years and never had a problem with it. Good thing this monitor has a 3 year warranty.
 
convergent said:
Does it have any problems? I don't think I'd return a display unless it had a problem. I've never heard of an A02, and the concensus I thought was that there really wasn't an A03.
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Both exist. Like I said in an earlier post in this thread, I have an A03. They even sent me an A02 refurb when I complained about the buzzing issue on this A03.

On an additional note, so far, I'm not 100% impressed. I called Dell, and after getting transfered around the planet, I finally spoke to a tech who said they'd send me a replacement. I asked if it was a refurb and he said that their refurbs really aren't refurbs... they're new monitors in a box that's labeled refurb. (Ya, right.) I got the refurb and it was rev. A02 and about 6 months older than the one I ordered. And to top it all off, it was worse than the original. No buzzing, but a large cluster of stuck pixels (must have been at least a dozen of them) in the middle of a black screen. On top of that, where my Windows desktop should have been, there was blackness... as in no picture. I dunno if it was a driver related issue or what, but needless to say I was on the phone pretty quick after that. After being transfered around a few times more, I spoke to another tech who said I shouldn't have received a refurb because I'm within my 30 days satisfaction period. They're sending me a new one. If the new one doesn't work out, the whole lot's going back and I'm just gonna get a refund.

Don't get me wrong, this is a real sweet monitor. Brightest colors of any monitor I've used yet. I was hoping I wouldn't get stuck with one of the bad ones, but just my luck, I did. Oh well, we'll see about the 3rd one... 3rd time's a charm as they always say.
 
This whole rev A00, A02, A03 thing has me baffled. How is it that a monitor that's only been out a few months globally and a few weeks in NA has 4 revisions already? :confused:

Also, it seems the only difinitive difference between these revs is the buzzing...

A00 = Silent
A01 = MIA
A02 = Slight Buzzing
A03 = Bad Buzzing

LOL!
 
Well, let's just say the buzzing on this A03 doesn't bother me as much as the dead pixels (the buzzing is actually quite controllable by adjusting the brightness down a bit), but since they don't give replacements for anything less than 6 dead pixels (according to the little information I found on the web about their replacement policy), I had to bring up the buzzing issue also.

On a side note, just thought I'd comment that Dell's dead pixel policy is crap. I'd gladly pay up to a couple hundred bucks extra for this monitor if it meant that I could get a replacement on even a single dead pixel, no questions asked.
 
virtualrain said:
This whole rev A00, A02, A03 thing has me baffled. How is it that a monitor that's only been out a few months globally and a few weeks in NA has 4 revisions already? :confused:

Also, it seems the only difinitive difference between these revs is the buzzing...

A00 = Silent
A01 = MIA
A02 = Slight Buzzing
A03 = Bad Buzzing

LOL!
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Yeah, I don't know what's up with all the Rev's. I guess I'm lucky, as the Rev A00 I
got is (as far as I can tell) perfect - no noise, no dead/stuck pixels, no light bleed,
etc. Only thing I definately want is to get a color calibrator, as the reds and greens
are a little too strong, but that can be corrected (harder to fix if they're weak).

I wish everyone who's gotten a HC got one like mine (but no, I'm not trading it! ;) )

CAMster
 
Well, mine isn't here yet :( But when it is, I'll be hoping your hope hopes enough :eek: :D

Six days :( I wannit now >.<
 
virtualrain said:
This whole rev A00, A02, A03 thing has me baffled. How is it that a monitor that's only been out a few months globally and a few weeks in NA has 4 revisions already? :confused:

Also, it seems the only difinitive difference between these revs is the buzzing...

A00 = Silent
A01 = MIA
A02 = Slight Buzzing
A03 = Bad Buzzing

LOL!
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My A03 is totally silent, so I'm not sure this is a valid characterization.
 
convergent said:
My A03 is totally silent, so I'm not sure this is a valid characterization.
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No... I'm sure it's not (hence the "LOL")... it would be rediculous if it was, but I find it rediculous that there are 3+ Rev's out there... something is haywire down there in Mexico! To much Cerveza for the gringo in charge of product stickers I say! :D (too bad there's no emoticon with a sombrero)

I should add that after having this monitor on my desk now for a couple of weeks, I'm absolutely spoiled by it's color and size! It makes all other monitors seem like a joke! Even the very nice 2007FP (S-IPS) panel I have next to it in portrait mode looks pale in comparison and small! :D Unfortunately, it is forcing me to upgrade my graphics card... I simply can't game with my 7900GS the way I want to now. The good news is that the latest nVidia drivers for Vista support graphics card scaling again so I can run 1:1 at lower resolutions.

As far as color goes, the greens are a tad overdone on this monitor... but I'm not sure if that's just because most other monitors lack in the green gamut department or the HC is over the top. It looks punchy and beautiful and rich... what more can I say.

Oh, I did buy a Spyder2Pro (well actually I ordered and paid for an Express and got the Pro!). I initially spent a whole evening trying to get the 3007WFP-HC and my 2007FP calibrated to look similar but it was a fruitless nightmare. It may be worth noting that I've worked in professional video most of my life so I know how to at least adjust an NTSC monitor and I don't know what this thing does but I wasn't liking the results at all. For one, even though the HC comes pretty closely calibrated to the desired 6500 white point out of the box, after calibrating it, the whites looked more gray than before I started. I could not get white (just white!) to look even remotely similar on these two monitors! I tried calibrating and using the targets from one on the other in both automatic and manual modes in both directions and could never reach anything close to a match. Even though the Sypder was telling me that both monitors were calibrated exactly to the same white point! (Yeah right!) My recommendation on calibrating the display is... DON'T waste your time! Unless you work in a professional color shop where you need it, save yourself some time, money, and tylenol and just enjoy the monitor as it ships. At least it's very closely calibrated to 6500 white point out of the box. If you want to tone down the green a bit, just do that in the nVidia/ATI control panel. But I like the saturated colors... that's why I bought this thing in the first place... was to see some color! After doing the Spyder calibration, it looked like I had just bought a cheap $200 TN panel. WTF?!

YMMV with the Spyder and Calibration, but it really was a waste for me. In the end, I just removed the profiles and I'm running it plain out of the box.
 
Umm, no, it is. I have my display on my desk, so I think I know whether it makes any noise or not. How would you credibly dispute that? What would be my motivation to lie about it? I'll restate what I said though, to rule out any ambiguity. My 3007-HC makes no noise that I can hear when I turn it on and off with my head about an inch from it. So from human terms, it is silent. Whether it actually makes noise or not, I don't care if I can't hear it.

I agree with you that it seems odd that there are three Revs out there, but since I don't work at Dell, I have no idea what constitutes a Rev and why there are three. Again, if it works as intended, who cares what Rev it is. I did spend many years in the manufacturing industry and there are numerous reasons why there would be differet Revs for their tracking, and there be no real difference in function... could be different suppliers, different manufacturing center, who knows. I understand the desire on forums to try and correlate patterns of problems to revs, but since you only have a very small subset of data on a forum (the majority of owners aren't coming here and posting), any trend identified is probably not statistically significant.

I completely disagree with your comments on profiling the displays. My 3007HC is profiled and looks pretty close to the Samy sitting next to it. They aren't identical, but the colors match. More importantly, my prints match what the display is showing. I will speak for my 3007HC and a few others that I have heard reports on... the color out of the box is no where near calibrated, so if you run it with default settings, the color is almost guaranteed to be off. There have been a lot of reports of difficulty getting the 3007 calibrated properly. In my case, I had to download updates to my Spyder2 software to get it to work... it would not calibrate with the original Spyder2 software that installed off the CD. Perhaps thats your problem. Once calibrated, you'd need to be in ICC compliant applications to really see the calibrated color, since Windows itself isn't ICC compliant.

It also sounds like you are running Vista, which I am not, so perhaps that is part of the problem... however I am running the XP WinColor applet which I believe is Vista technology ported down to XP.

virtualrain said:
No... I'm sure it's not (hence the "LOL")... it would be rediculous if it was, but I find it rediculous that there are 3+ Rev's out there... something is haywire down there in Mexico! To much Cerveza for the gringo in charge of product stickers I say! :D (too bad there's no emoticon with a sombrero)

I should add that after having this monitor on my desk now for a couple of weeks, I'm absolutely spoiled by it's color and size! It makes all other monitors seem like a joke! Even the very nice 2007FP (S-IPS) panel I have next to it in portrait mode looks pale in comparison and small! :D Unfortunately, it is forcing me to upgrade my graphics card... I simply can't game with my 7900GS the way I want to now. The good news is that the latest nVidia drivers for Vista support graphics card scaling again so I can run 1:1 at lower resolutions.

As far as color goes, the greens are a tad overdone on this monitor... but I'm not sure if that's just because most other monitors lack in the green gamut department or the HC is over the top. It looks punchy and beautiful and rich... what more can I say.

Oh, I did buy a Spyder2Pro (well actually I ordered and paid for an Express and got the Pro!). I initially spent a whole evening trying to get the 3007WFP-HC and my 2007FP calibrated to look similar but it was a fruitless nightmare. It may be worth noting that I've worked in professional video most of my life so I know how to at least adjust an NTSC monitor and I don't know what this thing does but I wasn't liking the results at all. For one, even though the HC comes pretty closely calibrated to the desired 6500 white point out of the box, after calibrating it, the whites looked more gray than before I started. I could not get white (just white!) to look even remotely similar on these two monitors! I tried calibrating and using the targets from one on the other in both automatic and manual modes in both directions and could never reach anything close to a match. Even though the Sypder was telling me that both monitors were calibrated exactly to the same white point! (Yeah right!) My recommendation on calibrating the display is... DON'T waste your time! Unless you work in a professional color shop where you need it, save yourself some time, money, and tylenol and just enjoy the monitor as it ships. At least it's very closely calibrated to 6500 white point out of the box. If you want to tone down the green a bit, just do that in the nVidia/ATI control panel. But I like the saturated colors... that's why I bought this thing in the first place... was to see some color! After doing the Spyder calibration, it looked like I had just bought a cheap $200 TN panel. WTF?!

YMMV with the Spyder and Calibration, but it really was a waste for me. In the end, I just removed the profiles and I'm running it plain out of the box.
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convergent said:
Umm, no, it is. I have my display on my desk, so I think I know whether it makes any noise or not. How would you credibly dispute that? What would be my motivation to lie about it? I'll restate what I said though, to rule out any ambiguity. My 3007-HC makes no noise that I can hear when I turn it on and off with my head about an inch from it. So from human terms, it is silent. Whether it actually makes noise or not, I don't care if I can't hear it.
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Hi Convergent,
Virtualrain wasn't contradicting you specifically, he was just commenting that it wasn't
likely that the listed problems were directly associated with each rev. We have too
small a product sample to really come to any conclusions about what rev's may have
issues.

Good to hear that your calibration went well. I won't be using any higher-end graphics
programs, just regular web applications and my CAM stuff. I should still see a benefit
from getting calibration hardware, yes?

CAMster
 
I wanted to know if anyone knows wether the 92% reproduction of the color gamut for the 3007-HC is NTSC or sRGB..?
 
CAMster said:
Hi Convergent,
Virtualrain wasn't contradicting you specifically, he was just commenting that it wasn't
likely that the listed problems were directly associated with each rev. We have too
small a product sample to really come to any conclusions about what rev's may have
issues.

Good to hear that your calibration went well. I won't be using any higher-end graphics
programs, just regular web applications and my CAM stuff. I should still see a benefit
from getting calibration hardware, yes?

CAMster
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Camster, In my opinion, you really need to define "benefit" with respect to calibration. A properly calibrated display is much dimmer and the colors more muted than a typical display as it comes from the factory. I like my displays bright, vibrant, and saturated... which is not unusual... a lot of displays come that way because that's what people like. If you want true color, calibrate. If you want vibrant colors that pop off your screen, don't calibrate. For example... If you like the effect provided by dialing in a little bit of digital vibrance on the nVidia control panel, calibration is not for you.

Convergent/Others...

I am running Vista which has much better color profiling support than XP. Do a search and you will see that MS did a lot of work in this regard for Vista. IIRC, two benefits I'm aware of is that it provides color correction on the desktop... not just in color profiled applications, and it also supports different profiles on dual monitors connected to the same card (XP did not support this). The latest version of Spyder's software does support Vista so it should be all good. You don't even need to use their proprietary color profile selector, the built-in one in Vista does the job just fine.

I am going to spend some more time with the Spyder to see if I can get any value out of it, but I suspect it's simply trying to do a job that I'm not after. My desire for vibrant, bright, saturated colors that pop off the screen are just not in line with the goals of calibration. I would urge others who are in the same boat (gamers, web browsers, or anyone else who isn't a digital media professional) to skip the money and hassle associated with calibration and adjust to taste using the GPU control panel.
 
virtualrain said:
I am running Vista which has much better color profiling support than XP. Do a search and you will see that MS did a lot of work in this regard for Vista.
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That's good news to know. I was debating between the old 3007 and the 3007 HC and I was wondering if the 92% gamut was worth paying the extra money for. Anyone seen both monitors have an opinion on this?
 
My 3007WFP-HC is on the delivery truck! It's coming today!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

(bounces around like a hyperactive schoolgirl)
 
IT'S HERE!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Oh my god... oh... oh... dear god...

(joygasm)

This screen is HHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!!! The colors are AMAZING, the clarity is shocking... it is by far and above the best monitor I've ever owned.... pics will come when I've calmed down enough...
 
vagabond142 said:
IT'S HERE!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Oh my god... oh... oh... dear god...

(joygasm)

This screen is HHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!!! The colors are AMAZING, the clarity is shocking... it is by far and above the best monitor I've ever owned.... pics will come when I've calmed down enough...
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Congrats!

What was your final price? I just ordered mine for $1300 + tax should be here tomorrow. (look for joygasm then!)
 
Tempest, can you post or PM me how you got that great price? I think the minimum warranty on these is a 3 year advance exchange but can you confirm if that and shipping was included? I see it listed on their site now for $1349 with 3 year warranty and free shipping due to their sale.
 
I paid $1900 Canadian after taxes, cuz I got a deal and a coupon code (free shipping + $100 off)

Well, after a half day of gaming, I can fairly say that I LOVE THIS MONITOR!!!! Supreme Commander and CNC3 have both become a lot easier due to the fact that I can actually SEE the units o_O! HalfLife 2 cannot be played any other way ever again... it`s just so gorgeous at 30 inches :eek: And the color balance is impeccable.

My monitor also arrived free of any rough handling, no dead pixels, no light bleed I can determine (yet, but I`ve been too much of a gamer to really pay attention). As a gaming monitor, this one definitely cuts it. It`s GORGEOUS :eek: :eek:
 
vagabond142 said:
Well, after a half day of gaming, I can fairly say that I LOVE THIS MONITOR!!!! Supreme Commander and CNC3 have both become a lot easier due to the fact that I can actually SEE the units o_O! HalfLife 2 cannot be played any other way ever again... it`s just so gorgeous at 30 inches :eek: And the color balance is impeccable.
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It's a work of art, ain't it? What was your previous monitor? After I week with my 30" I tried to play a game on my old CRT and it felt like a joke.
 
I was using a ViewSonic VX2025wm 20.1 inch widescreen... no slouch of a monitor either. But man... this thing is just... so... PRETTY! :eek:

Obligatory pictures :p

newmonitor.jpg


supcom1.jpg
 
silentsammy said:
That's good news to know. I was debating between the old 3007 and the 3007 HC and I was wondering if the 92% gamut was worth paying the extra money for. Anyone seen both monitors have an opinion on this?
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It's worth the extra money. I have owned 4 of the old ones at various times and none of them compare to my new 3007WFP-HC. The colour and contrast ratio make it worth it without a doubt. Side by side the old screen looks grey.
 
thisisglen said:
It's worth the extra money. I have owned 4 of the old ones at various times and none of them compare to my new 3007WFP-HC. The colour and contrast ratio make it worth it without a doubt. Side by side the old screen looks grey.
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Thanks for your input. It's strange that anandtech said the opposite, though. They reviewed the LP3065 (same panel as the HC) and said "...we would have a difficult time noticing the "improved color gamut". There are some minor improvements on paper, but to our eyes we simply couldn't see the difference. Brightness, contrast, and color accuracy all appeared to be about the same, and only the viewing angle appeared slightly better...It just doesn't look substantially better than the Dell 3007WFP."
 
zzz said:
Thanks for your input. It's strange that anandtech said the opposite, though. They reviewed the LP3065 (same panel as the HC) and said "...we would have a difficult time noticing the "improved color gamut". There are some minor improvements on paper, but to our eyes we simply couldn't see the difference. Brightness, contrast, and color accuracy all appeared to be about the same, and only the viewing angle appeared slightly better...It just doesn't look substantially better than the Dell 3007WFP."
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You can tell the difference. We have both sitting next to eachother at work.
 
thisisglen said:
It's worth the extra money. I have owned 4 of the old ones at various times and none of them compare to my new 3007WFP-HC. The colour and contrast ratio make it worth it without a doubt. Side by side the old screen looks grey.
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To all the people that say that the HC is noticeably better looking than the older non-HC I have a question.

Were these comparisons made between properly calibrated monitors or just strait out of the box?

The reason I ask is because the monitors in the review from Anandtech were calibrated. I would think that one of the points of calibrating these things is to make for consistent colors etc… When I calibrated my non-HC with a spyder2express it diminished the "vividness" of the colors somewhat. Would it not simply do more so of the same to an HC model & basically try to bring both models to what the spyder2express thinks is a proper color/contrast etc... level?

I’m not trying to start anything here, just thinking out loud. I got my non-HC for $1083 a little before the HC model was available here & don’t regret not waiting on the HC at all.

Shemp
 
convergent said:
My A03 is totally silent, so I'm not sure this is a valid characterization.
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I've had mine for about a month now and I'm still loving it. I also have REVA00 with no sound issues or noise problems.

Could this A00, A01, A02, A03 be similar to the old CRT rating system? I remember when CRT's were rated with a an A,B,C class - whereby A was best quality and C was discount store quality. It was known that Sony for example always used A class tubes and sold B and C grade tubes to other manufacturers such a Dell and Gateway, etc.

Bob
 
I see a lot of folks here have used the Spyder2 ($189.00) calibration system, but does anyone have any experience with the Pantone Huey2 which is $75 cheaper? I do CAD so my needs for calibration are more aesthetics than photographic realism.

Thanks in advance.
 
Bobbymo said:
I see a lot of folks here have used the Spyder2 ($189.00) calibration system, but does anyone have any experience with the Pantone Huey2 which is $75 cheaper? I do CAD so my needs for calibration are more aesthetics than photographic realism.

Thanks in advance.
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I have the spyder2express which is about $65. As I posted earlier, there's not much difference between it & the more expensive spyder offerings - the hardware is the exact same in fact. Don't know anything about the Pantone Huey2 you mention though.

Shemp
 
I haven't seen the two side by side, but I am running another LCD next to it. The issue is that the HC can render about 20% more colors than the non HC can. If you are displaying an image with those colors in it, they will be less rich... even though they should still have the right tint and all... so there is a difference.



Shemp said:
To all the people that say that the HC is noticeably better looking than the older non-HC I have a question.

Were these comparisons made between properly calibrated monitors or just strait out of the box?

The reason I ask is because the monitors in the review from Anandtech were calibrated. I would think that one of the points of calibrating these things is to make for consistent colors etc… When I calibrated my non-HC with a spyder2express it diminished the "vividness" of the colors somewhat. Would it not simply do more so of the same to an HC model & basically try to bring both models to what the spyder2express thinks is a proper color/contrast etc... level?

I’m not trying to start anything here, just thinking out loud. I got my non-HC for $1083 a little before the HC model was available here & don’t regret not waiting on the HC at all.

Shemp
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convergent said:
I haven't seen the two side by side, but I am running another LCD next to it. The issue is that the HC can render about 20% more colors than the non HC can. If you are displaying an image with those colors in it, they will be less rich... even though they should still have the right tint and all... so there is a difference.
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I see. I think that’s the most concise, compact explanation I’ve read on it. Thanks & you’re the only one to reply. I thought I’d killed this thread. It didn’t get any posts for several days after I posted that question.

I still love my non-HC though! :D

Shemp
 
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