does ps3 suck?

Yes, people are constantly using wireless devices to update windows on my computer through the walls. Right after they steal my thoughts when I remove my tinfoil hat.
 
Technoob said:
Yes, people are constantly using wireless devices to update windows on my computer through the walls. Right after they steal my thoughts when I remove my tinfoil hat.
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you didnt answer the question now did you. Of course people are not doing, or I hope not, but it is a possibility, just like with the ps3. the reason for this security feature is probably mainly do to how people live japan.. lots of apartments and what not, not many house like the spacious usa.

so would you enjoy it if someone updated your pc wirelessly without your consent or not?
 
The Playstation 3 does not suck. The price and lack of games suck. Give it about a year or two and sony will be back on top again.
 
Tetrahedron said:
so would you enjoy it if someone updated your pc wirelessly without your consent or not?
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This question actually formed the central basis for all of my console buying decisions. When assessing which of the three next gen consoles I would be buying, the question that kept coming to the forefront was "Oh dear god in heaven, what if someone uses their sixaxis through the walls to download a firmware update released by sony" Obviously I couldn't risk the health and safety of my family with a console that could allow such a terrible occurrence.

In the end for the sake of my safety and security I bought a sega genesis and encased it in lead.
 
Technoob said:
This question actually formed the central basis for all of my console buying decisions. When assessing which of the three next gen consoles I would be buying, the question that kept coming to the forefront was "Oh dear god in heaven, what if someone uses their sixaxis through the walls to download a firmware update released by sony" Obviously I couldn't risk the health and safety of my family with a console that could allow such a terrible occurrence.

In the end for the sake of my safety and security I bought a sega genesis and encased it in lead.
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still didnt answer the question, which proves you are worthless and all you do is spread misinformation and distractions from real conversation. it is to bad you just dont understand.
 
Tetrahedron said:
would you like if someone updated your pc wirelessly without your consent? serious question.
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Of course not, but you're assuming that someone will either:

1. Memorize the exact button combo to boot up a PS3, get into a particular PS3 screen, stand outside your house and mess with your console without looking

or

2. Peep through your window and screw with the console from outside.

Neither seems plausible. It's really a non-issue.
 
Technoob said:
Yes, people are constantly using wireless devices to update windows on my computer through the walls. Right after they steal my thoughts when I remove my tinfoil hat.
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Wow, I guess you don't own a PS3 or you dont try to see what it can do.... Because the controllers are bluetooth they can send a frequency through a wall. I can power on my PS3, play games and navigate menus through walls....This isn't typical use, but I've tested it.


Rocketpig said:
Of course not, but you're assuming that someone will either:

1. Memorize the exact button combo to boot up a PS3, get into a particular PS3 screen, stand outside your house and mess with your console without looking

or

2. Peep through your window and screw with the console from outside.

Neither seems plausible. It's really a non-issue.
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I guess you have never lived in a dorm, or lived in a college apartment, but I wouldnt want someone powering on my PS3 by mistake or even on purpose (a hardcore PS3 nerd that hates me or something) and know how many times to press left, right, up and down to udpate my system. Some people are crazy and do anything to piss people off... Its the same reason people hack stuff, the enjoyment of messing something up, or having control.

Since you can power on the PS3 by remote, what if the controller is in the couch, some lard butt sits on it and powers on the PS3 (not knowing they turned it on, because imput mode is on TV) and somehow starts updating..... It just an extra security step to make sure you want to update.... I see nothing wrong it it... I'm also not a total lazy ass.
 
Baker said:
Wow, I guess you don't own a PS3 or you dont try to see what it can do.... Because the controllers are bluetooth they can send a frequency through a wall. I can power on my PS3, play games and navigate menus through walls....This isn't typical use, but I've tested it.

I guess you have never lived in a dorm, or lived in a college apartment, but I wouldnt want someone powering on my PS3 by mistake or even on purpose (a hardcore PS3 nerd that hates me or something) and know how many times to press left, right, up and down to udpate my system.

Since you can power on the PS3 by remote, what if the controller is int he couch, some lard butt sits on it and powers on the PS3 (not knowing they turned it on, because imput mode is on TV) and somehow starts updating..... It just an extra security step to make sure you want to update.... I see nothing wrong it it... I'm also not a total lazy ass.
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Seriously, man, you're really grasping at straws here. Let it die. If you like it, so be it. That's great. But please, for the love of God, stop calling it a security feature.
 
Rocketpig said:
Seriously, man, you're really grasping at straws here. Let it die. If you like it, so be it. That's great. But please, for the love of God, stop calling it a security feature.
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QFT

The PS3 is a system that shows alot of promise. As of right now a big price and a lack of games is what holding it back. Once the games start coming out, we will see what the PS3 can really do.
 
Actually, doesn't it auto-prompt you to update the system if you have the PSN set to auto-login? I know I haven't ever stumbled upon an update, the system simply asked me if I wanted to.
Not that it matters. I think it's lame as hell having to plug the controller in for any purpose except charging it. I also wish it had the "hibernation" feature the 360 has, too. For instance, when I power down my 360, if a controller is charging, the system powers down but keeps charging the controller. For the PS3, you have to leave it on. Minro gripe, but still annoying.
 
Having to "plug in" the playstation controller is a flaw not a feature.
Bluetooth updating wirelessly through walls nefariously is also not a feature.

Xbox 360 controller is perfect, or the best for hours upon hours of game playing.

Anyone that says crap about rumble is just sulking because their ps3 doesnt have it.

If everyone is in to "immersion gaming" better physics, different controllers, bringing you into the game type of feal. You'll know what im saying.

There are games that provide different effects with the rumble, its actually a feature playstation brought mainstream back in the day. Please dont use that as an excuse.

To be honest with you all, my 360 felt like not enough time was spent on cooling, thats my only major gripe about the 360.

The ps3 is lacking rumble, its lacking decent online play, and sixaxis was just a last minute feature thrown in to cover for the lack of rumble feature.

wii - innovative, gets boring fast.

Please guys, dont sit here and dabble and start brining on the MY PS3 plugs into a cable for security features type of debates, lol seriously
 
how long are you going to draw from the "no rumble is teh suck" well? it's getting dry....

lacking decent online play?
what's your definition of "decent"?
playing resistance:FOM or motorstorm with zero lag?
i can't say that about my 360.
tiger woods 2007 is an exercise in frustration to get through 18 holes against 3 of my buddies.
 
Yeah, lack of rumble is a serious problem for me. It looks like Sony is addressing this issue though.
 
hkhawk said:
Yeah, lack of rumble is a serious problem for me. It looks like Sony is addressing this issue though.
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Sony's executives were spitting all over rumble, calling it last gen, and a bad feature, and so forth. then they settled their lawsuit with immersion and it's suddenly an awesome feature again.

I hope rumble adds a little weight to the sixaxis, I'll want my controller a bit heavier when I pick up a ps3.
 
Technoob said:
Sony's executives were spitting all over rumble, calling it last gen, and a bad feature, and so forth. then they settled their lawsuit with immersion and it's suddenly an awesome feature again.

I hope rumble adds a little weight to the sixaxis, I'll want my controller a bit heavier when I pick up a ps3.
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Maybe they're bringing out a more advanced force-feedback system or "next-gen rumble":

http://www.immersion.com/gaming/video_pc/next-gen/

Notice the product description specifically says:

Motion Control and Tilt Sensing

Next-gen vibration can work alongside motion-control and tilt-sensing features. Because the speed at which a user can move or tilt the controller is much slower than the frequencies generated by vibration feedback, it's possible to differentiate these signals using filtering and other techniques.
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After all, Phil Harrison called rumble "last-gen" less than a week before the Immersion lawsuit was settled, he must have known that an agreement was imminent when he said that. You never know what Sony is up to, if they added this new rumble technology it would be awesome!
 
hkhawk said:
After all, Phil Harrison called rumble "last-gen" less than a week before the Immersion lawsuit was settled, he must have known that an agreement was imminent when he said that.
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A Sony exec would never put their foot in their mouth when talking about the PS3 :p

The wii has had vibration since inception, it's not some magic next gen vibration. Sony could have had it all along if they hadn't been trying to bone Immersion.
 
Hoping for the opposite, actually. I'm a bit put off by the dead weight of the Xbox360 controller, but the SIXAXIS is refreshingly light. It feels much better to pick up and move around with, IMO.
 
ps3 controllers are too light imo, they should have added weight in there.

Of course they settled with immersion, they knew they messed up and therefore when someone messes up bad its a matter of time before they cover their own A$$

However if it resurfaces with the PS3, I would say its going to be some type of "special" add-on or "feature"
 
PikachuMan said:
I just would prefer it not have as much dead weight as the Xbox360 controller. It's perfect the way it is now, IMO.
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I also agree. :D

The only game I ever really liked with rumble was StarFox 64 that came with the rumble pack. Other than that I turn that feature off in any game that supports it, Never owned the rumbler pack for the DC and didnt miss it either. :p
 
Baker said:
I also agree. :D

The only game I ever really liked with rumble was StarFox 64 that came with the rumble pack. Other than that I turn that feature off in any game that supports it, Never owned the rumbler pack for the DC and didnt miss it either. :p
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Do you ever play games where it's somewhat integral to the gameplay? MG, baseball games, and so forth? Personally I think immersion is a great name for the people with the patent, because I find well-planned rumble to be an immersive experience. It sure sucks the batteries on the wireless though : /
 
For example on Crackdown,

When you get close to an important location

its does a hyper-rumble.. its pretty sweet
 
qtip said:
The Playstation 3 does not suck. The price and lack of games suck. Give it about a year or two and sony will be back on top again.
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price sucks?

if you buy the $600 version and keep it for 3 years thats only $16 a month! Thats like two movie tickets a month or a dinner.
 
and if I buy a new car for 5 figures its only a few hundred bucks a month if i keep it for a decade.

The question is how much it costs in relation to competing products.
 
I just bought a 56inch HDTV for like $1,200. I pay like $35/month for 3 years with no interest.
 
Technoob said:
Do you ever play games where it's somewhat integral to the gameplay? MG, baseball games, and so forth? Personally I think immersion is a great name for the people with the patent, because I find well-planned rumble to be an immersive experience. It sure sucks the batteries on the wireless though : /
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Yes pitching in MLB 2K7 is a lot harder without rumble.
 
Hulk said:
I just bought a 56inch HDTV for like $1,200. I pay like $35/month for 3 years with no interest.
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That's nice that you financed something that costs twice as much as the ps3. If people turn to multi-year no interest financing to buy a video game console, something is wrong with the price.
 
ugh rumble sucks the shit outa the battery i rather have longer battery life then to have rumble
 
hkhawk said:
After all, Phil Harrison called rumble "last-gen" less than a week before the Immersion lawsuit was settled, he must have known that an agreement was imminent when he said that. You never know what Sony is up to, if they added this new rumble technology it would be awesome!
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Um, as opposed to the WiiMote, that has rumble and motion sensitivity spot-on?

I seriously hope you're joking with that comment. I can't quite tell.
 
mista ting said:
ugh rumble sucks the shit outa the battery i rather have longer battery life then to have rumble
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Do you seriously play your console 14 hours straight without stopping once?

If not, yeah, that battery life kinda sucks. I also give you props for playing a game so freaking long in one sitting.

If you don't play for that long, buy a set of rechargable batteries and have a few charging whenever you're playing.

That way, it's not a problem and you won't bitch about added functionality at the cost of 2 hours of battery life.
 
4saken said:
Im honestly expecting the Sony hate to increase tenfold as the good news slowly starts to mount for the PS3 and its games list starts to pull even further away from the available quality Wii titles. The rabid wii only ppl will just start grasping at thin air to throw everything they have at Sony.
All i can apologize for is that i get to have fun with all 3 systems, including the PS3 and you are missing out on some good times.
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Why is it that you can't seem to let go of being personally insulted any time someone says something negative or in their opinion regarding the PS3? It's not your kid, it's a game console made by an exceptionally sleazy and inept company. Also, if you DO really feel insulted, wouldn't you not want to say the same things back to those who enjoy the Wii? Nope, of course not, but that just shows what kind of poster you are. Regardless, the PS3 simply is not a good value right now. I love the "OMG IT'S A GC1.5 WITH A GIMMICK" remarks... you guys can keep living in DreamLand. I'll be enjoying my computer for an uber graphics "normal" gaming experience, and my Wii for a console-ish experience. My other favorite comment is about how anyone who is tired of having the same old things with their games is magically a brazen fool who is out of touch with reality, and obviously not a hardcore gamer. Again, keep living in DreamLand :). I couldn't care less whether you like the PS3 or the Wii, I'm just stating my opinions, just as you are, yet you can't seem to refrain from insults and acting as though I'm a confused little creature whenever I speak.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Why is it that you can't seem to let go of being personally insulted any time someone says something negative or in their opinion regarding the PS3? It's not your kid, it's a game console made by an exceptionally sleazy and inept company. Also, if you DO really feel insulted, wouldn't you not want to say the same things back to those who enjoy the Wii? Nope, of course not, but that just shows what kind of poster you are. Regardless, the PS3 simply is not a good value right now. I love the "OMG IT'S A GC1.5 WITH A GIMMICK" remarks... you guys can keep living in DreamLand. I'll be enjoying my computer for an uber graphics "normal" gaming experience, and my Wii for a console-ish experience. My other favorite comment is about how anyone who is tired of having the same old things with their games is magically a brazen fool who is out of touch with reality, and obviously not a hardcore gamer. Again, keep living in DreamLand :). I couldn't care less whether you like the PS3 or the Wii, I'm just stating my opinions, just as you are, yet you can't seem to refrain from insults and acting as though I'm a confused little creature whenever I speak.
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**doing a crazy monkey dance** Wiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee are you haveing fun with your Wii yet? They should release Carmen Electra work-out videos with the Wii so you can flail your self in shape!
 
Rocketpig said:
Um, as opposed to the WiiMote, that has rumble and motion sensitivity spot-on?

I seriously hope you're joking with that comment. I can't quite tell.
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You clearly didn't read the page that I linked to. I was showing a new Immersion technology that they call "next-gen rumble" or TouchSense. It is much more advanced than normal rumble that just vibrates. For example, using this new technology when you fire a gun you feel a strong recoil and when you're out of ammo the remote just clicks. If you have a lightsaber out the controller will hum. It is also supposed to be more lightweight and moe battery efficient than normal rumble but it can also emulate traditional dual motor feedback as well. Here's the link again, you should check it out this time as this is very exciting new technology:

http://www.immersion.com/gaming/video_pc/next-gen/

I think this is truly a possibility for the PS3 as Phil Harrison said that rumble was last-gen less than a week before Sony and immersion announced that they had come to an agreement and you don't just make a multi-million dollar agreement overnight, it has to be looked over and OKed by all kinds of lawyers and executives. When Harrison made his "last-gen" statement he must have known that a deal was imminent, there is no way that he couldn't. Considering that Immersion itself calls this technology "next-gen" means that in their opinion the old rumble is "last-gen" as well. It just all adds up far too well for it not to be a serious possibility.

Here, just so you don't have to click on the link I will quote from the Immersion webpage:

Next-generation Vibration Technology

You’ve been enjoying rumble all these years, why do you need next-generation vibration? Because when you experience new TouchSense® technology, you’ll feel the even more exciting and subtle tactile effects that can add to the fun of playing the game. Next-generation vibration can be used to match the realism expected of next-generation high-definition graphics and high-fidelity sound.


More Fun

For example, in a next-gen off-road racing game, you would not only be able to see every detail of the terrain — gravel, rocks, sand, mud — you would also be able to feel how the vehicle’s response to these features transfers to the steering wheel — an experience more like driving in the real world. You might feel both the sharp pop of shifting gears, and at the same time, the force of acceleration or deceleration. If you were also firing a machine gun, you might feel both the vehicle movement and the weapon’s repeating action. Or you might experience the vehicle movement and feel that you are being fired upon (taking damage).

Read what those who have experienced Immersion's next-gen technology are saying:

Immersion Unveils Next-Gen Rumble Technology, Gamepro.com, June 16, 2006
by Sid Shuman
“I personally experienced Immersion's new rumbling technology yesterday, and I have to say that it's a major, major step in the right direction. Not only are the rumbles stronger, they feel more detailed and crisp. A nearby explosion sends powerful shockwaves rippling through your hands; wielding a lightsaber produces a pleasant "humming" sensation; and machinegun fire feels downright violent. It's ten times better than the rumbling on the PS2 or Xbox 360.”

Immersion’s Magic Touch, Game Daily, June 19, 2006
by Chris Boffo
"But this single, next-generation motor is not only capable of spinning in multiple directions, it can stop on a dime and is generally much stronger than its predecessors. The result is a richer, more intense experience that will further immerse us in these upcoming games…. The difference between this technology and previous controllers is akin to making the jump from the original Resident Evil on PSOne to Resident Evil 4. It's just in stark contrast to what I've been used to.”

Rumble Into The Next-Generation, The Game Feed, July 27, 2006
by Hang Lauv
“You’re probably asking yourself, “How can rumble be any better?” Fortunately for us, Immersion has shown us how. They have convinced us next-generation rumble is real and ready today.. . . The realism and impressiveness created by Immersion’s new TouchSense technology is unlike anything you’ll ever feel. In fact, you have probably never even imagined how precise and advanced rumble can be.”

Does Rumble Matter?, Next Generation, August 23, 2006
by Kris Graft
“In short, yes, this is a definite improvement over today’s available rumble, and the consumer would be best served if TouchSense became a standard feature.”

Total Immersion — Will Sony ever be ready to rumble? (URL not available.) Official U.S. PlayStation Magazine, September 2006
by Giancarlo Varanini
"With the next-gen consoles, Immersion has essentially completed new technology that offers greater versatility. In fact, there’s such a broad range of effects available that if gamers had the opportunity to feel what it would be like to have them in a next-gen game, there would be even greater demand for them to be included."
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More Variety

Using three operating modes, the new technology can provide a greater range of effects. Three examples: (1) The stuttering jolts of firing an assault rifle, then the deadening click sensation produced from an empty chamber. (2) The initial accelerating surge of a light saber powering up, and when you swing, the pulse of the energy sweep. When you change direction, the smooth recoil and slight change in force that tells you you’re wielding a mighty weapon. (3) The springy sensation of hitting a tennis ball or the fast, crisp, connective feel of catching a long pass.
Greater Realism

Besides more variety, effects can be stronger, shorter in duration, crisper, more closely spaced, and more in sync with onscreen events. That means the feel of the game can be more realistic. The staccato of machine gun fire can more closely mimic a real weapon's action, and the feel can be better synchronized to the fire blasts you see on the screen.

New TouchSense technology will also support more varied in-game warnings like taking damage, entering a dangerous area, low ammo, or target warnings (like friendly target or missile lock). All these warnings could be made very distinguishable.

Motion Control and Tilt Sensing

Next-gen vibration can work alongside motion-control and tilt-sensing features. Because the speed at which a user can move or tilt the controller is much slower than the frequencies generated by vibration feedback, it's possible to differentiate these signals using filtering and other techniques.

Wireless and Easy on Power

The new technology can be used in wireless controllers, and power consumption will not be greater than existing dual-motor systems. In fact, in many cases, power consumption will be less.

Dual-motor Game Compatible

The games you have now, which were designed for present-day dual-motor systems will feel very similar when played on a system with next-generation vibration. An Immersion emulator in the console or peripheral will handle this translation without you having to do anything.
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Baker said:
**doing a crazy monkey dance** Wiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee are you haveing fun with your Wii yet? They should release Carmen Electra work-out videos with the Wii so you can flail your self in shape!
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:confused: I think you're a little feverish, go take a nap and feel better soon!
 
I gotta say that I like the PS3 over the Xbox 360 even if there's a lack of games / support for it. The unit itself has only been out for a little while and it's taking a long time to take flight but, I have faith that it'll get better and better with time. Given all that you're getting: like free online support, home, blu-ray, ect the price is sorta (I mean sorta) justified.

I believe most if not all the controversy over this system roots from the actual cost. If it was the amount of lets say the 360 there probably wouldn't be many complaints. All that I can say as far as games go, wait for MGS4 and the like to roll on out, then the fun will really start. :D
 
Netrat33 said:
Like I pointed out, MS introduced this long time ago in there sidewinder series. The comment was made about it being innovative.
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actually it was done before Microsoft (I believe when Sony made the annoucement someone actually found an old SNES controller that had this function) and the comment you made was that the controller was a gimmick because there were no games out for it yet. The Wii isn't innovative I see tons of games at Best Buy that do the same thing. These are those little game boxes that allow you to play baseball with a baseball bat and they have golf and tennis and you don't press buttons you actually swing. Mind you this was out well before the Wii so it's not innovative. If it can be sold for 30 dollars why would you pay $250 for the same thing?
 
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