So...wuts the latest word on 30incher release dates???

I hope that's an HP extended warranty? Either way, grats on finally taking the plunge. :)

I would like to revisit HP's pixel policy if I may.


"A full pixel is a combination of one red, one green, and one blue sub-pixel.

What are pixel and sub-pixel defects?

A full pixel defect is a bright white dot or very noticeable black dot on the display. No full pixel defects are allowed per HP's monitor specification.

A sub-pixel defect is also referred to as a dot defect.

Bright dot sub-pixel defects are permanently "on", displaying a colored red, green, or blue spot on the display at all times.

Dark dot sub-pixel defects are permanently "off", displaying a black dot on the display at all times."

What HP requires for its 3-5-5 pixel policy is based on sub-pixel or dot defects. Sub-pixel defects will not always be the result of manufacturing, as they can and often occur over the life of an LCD, as happened to my L2335.

The 3-5-5 policy allows for 3 bright (stuck color), 5 dark (stuck off) or no more than 5 combined.

Re-link:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...8895&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN
 
canislupy said:
I hope that's an HP extended warranty? Either way, grats on finally taking the plunge. :)

I would like to revisit HP's pixel policy if I may.


"A full pixel is a combination of one red, one green, and one blue sub-pixel.

What are pixel and sub-pixel defects?

A full pixel defect is a bright white dot or very noticeable black dot on the display. No full pixel defects are allowed per HP's monitor specification.

A sub-pixel defect is also referred to as a dot defect.

Bright dot sub-pixel defects are permanently "on", displaying a colored red, green, or blue spot on the display at all times.

Dark dot sub-pixel defects are permanently "off", displaying a black dot on the display at all times."

What HP requires for its 3-5-5 pixel policy is based on sub-pixel or dot defects. Sub-pixel defects will not always be the result of manufacturing, as they can and often occur over the life of an LCD, as happened to my L2335.

The 3-5-5 policy allows for 3 bright (stuck color), 5 dark (stuck off) or no more than 5 combined.

Re-link:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...8895&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN
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lalalalalalalal I don't hear you1!!!!!!! my baby will be perfect because she (I'm gunna name her nancy) will be mine!
SO SHALL IT BE WRITTEN..........SO SHALL IT BE DONE!!!!
 
konst said:
I turned it on but single link does get you a pic. Just distortion.

I was waiting for the EGVA 8800GTX ASC3 card but I think it's vaporware. Single link gives a distorted picture. No single link for the LP3065
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Someone else said this about their LP3065: "I do not get any video signal before windows drivers is loaded (I´m not sure if that depends on monitor or video card )"
 
The only time I had the problem where I saw a blank screen until driver load was when the driver had been changed, and I think before I loaded it, but not quite sure.

The time I do know it happened is when I changed the HP provided ICM with my custom ICM.
 
Here's one that will probably burn you, it did me. The setup instructions state that you must use the cable that came with monitor. I choose to ignore it, because I figured, if I'd seen one DVI cable, I've seen them all. If you don't, which I did, the video screen will flash on and off, plus give you a rainbow of colors that you will not like. So with the LP3065, you must use the DVI cable that's included with the monitor. Also, the monitor doesn't like low resolutions. At least the LP3065 I have doesn't. So be careful when going into Windows or installing a new OS. Your going to think the monitor is going on the frizz, because of the low resolutions setting. Anything above 10x7 seems fine when starting up the OS.
 
LadyInsane said:
Here's one that will probably burn you, it did me. The setup instructions state that you must use the cable that came with monitor. I choose to ignore it, because I figured, if I'd seen one DVI cable, I've seen them all. If you don't, which I did, the video screen will flash on and off, plus give you a rainbow of colors that you will not like. So with the LP3065, you must use the DVI cable that's included with the monitor. Also, the monitor doesn't like low resolutions. At least the LP3065 I have doesn't. So be careful when going into Windows or installing a new OS. Your going to think the monitor is going on the frizz, because of the low resolutions setting. Anything above 10x7 seems fine when starting up the OS.
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Wow. I don't have any problems like that with the Dell 3007WFP. It doesn't mind scaling, it doesn't mind low resolutions, and you can use any dual-link DVI cable you want.
 
LadyInsane said:
Here's one that will probably burn you, it did me. The setup instructions state that you must use the cable that came with monitor. I choose to ignore it, because I figured, if I'd seen one DVI cable, I've seen them all. If you don't, which I did, the video screen will flash on and off, plus give you a rainbow of colors that you will not like. So with the LP3065, you must use the DVI cable that's included with the monitor. Also, the monitor doesn't like low resolutions. At least the LP3065 I have doesn't. So be careful when going into Windows or installing a new OS. Your going to think the monitor is going on the frizz, because of the low resolutions setting. Anything above 10x7 seems fine when starting up the OS.
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That's because you have to use a dual-link cable. If you use single link it will do what you said about colors
 
So dan your saying the 3007wfp is better? Anybody else had any problems with scaling with the hp? :(
 
StalkerZER0 said:
So dan your saying the 3007wfp is better? Anybody else had any problems with scaling with the hp? :(
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No I am not saying that it is better. Certainly the HP is supposed to be capable of 92% color gamut which is better than the 72% of the Dell. The response time is supposedly improved as well. If I recall correctly the HP has an 8ms response time and the Dell is 11ms to 14ms depending on the situation.

The HP also has multiple inputs and the Dell is lacking in that area. Therefore I'd have to say that the HP is better at least on paper. But the Dell does have a few things up on the HP if some of the above posts are correct. The Dell has excellent scaling and will display even low resolutions just fine. The Dell will also work with a single link DVI cable, but it will be limited to a resolution of 1280x800. Additionally the Dell has it's second native resolution of 1280x800. It combines 4 pixels into 1 and therefore uses no scaling at that resolution. It looks pretty damn good, but icons and other Windows desktop items look horrid at this resolution. Though for games, it's fine.
 
LadyInsane said:
Here's one that will probably burn you, it did me. The setup instructions state that you must use the cable that came with monitor. I choose to ignore it, because I figured, if I'd seen one DVI cable, I've seen them all. If you don't, which I did, the video screen will flash on and off, plus give you a rainbow of colors that you will not like. So with the LP3065, you must use the DVI cable that's included with the monitor. Also, the monitor doesn't like low resolutions. At least the LP3065 I have doesn't. So be careful when going into Windows or installing a new OS. Your going to think the monitor is going on the frizz, because of the low resolutions setting. Anything above 10x7 seems fine when starting up the OS.
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You can use ANY Dual-Link DVI cable. You CANNOT use a Single-Link DVI cable. This has been standard for some time with 1920x1200 monitors, nothing to see here folks, old news.

What do you mean it doesn't like low resolutions? It doesn't display them or they just look bad? All LCDs have a native per-pixel resolution. It is the graphics card that is responsible for ALL OTHER resolutions (Edit: This is not exactly true, sorry about that, the monitor has a list of supported resolutions and the graphics cards knows about this, if you select a supported res, graphics card will use it and monitor will internally scale, if it is not a supported res, then it is up to the graphics card as to whether it will scale to one of the monitors native resolutions, and not all graphics cards will do this. This is in any case, my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong). If your graphics card does not support 2560x1600, dual-link DVI and blanking, then yes, you may have some issues with alternate resolutions. If your graphics card does a crappy job of scaling these resolutions to native, don't blame the monitor. While I agree it would have been nice for someone to put out a 30" 2560x1600 monitor with component/HD inputs for 1080P, the extra cost of enabling the set to 1, take HD signals/resolutions and 2, scale these resolutions well to native would have greatly increased the cost. What this would do is limit the set to a specific and fringe market, especially for HP who is targeting it for business use.

FYI, I have 2x eVGA 8800GTX's that display every resolution I have tried so far on my HP LP3065. Yes, they look like crap, but I don't blame the monitor, its the graphics card doing the scaling. I'm not sure if the HP does support 1280x800 natively as the Dell does, but when I tried it it did display, and unlike the other resolutions, it did not look blurry like it had been scaled, but everything did look a bit blocky.
 
OMGGGGGGGG!!!! :eek:
I forgot to consider if the HP has any other resolutions supported besides 2560x1600. I had assumed it would support a 2nd resolution of 1280x.....wutever just like the dell.
Gosh dang nabit to heck!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
 
Why is 1280x800 so important to people buying a 2560x1600 monitor? I'm seriously confused by this. :confused:
 
StalkerZER0 said:
OMGGGGGGGG!!!! :eek:
I forgot to consider if the HP has any other resolutions supported besides 2560x1600. I had assumed it would support a 2nd resolution of 1280x.....wutever just like the dell.
Gosh dang nabit to heck!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
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Of course it will. It just won't do it with a single link DVI cable. The Dell will. Additionally, the HP monitor doesn't scale as well based on the posts I've read, and sub 1024x768 resolutions are a problem for it. That is, when you are stretching a lower resolution image like 1920x1200, it will fill the screen and look better on the Dell than the HP. The HP monitor won't do anything over 2560x1600 (neither does the Dell), but like any VESA compliant monitor it supports more than one resolution. LCD's just have a finite maximum resolution. CRT's on the other hand have a max supported resolution, and look good at almost any resolution you could choose, and can be made to exceed their max resolution if refresh rates and timing adjustments are made in some cases.

I've had my Dell run at 800x600 before. So I know it does low resolution if need be.

canislupy said:
Why is 1280x800 so important to people buying a 2560x1600 monitor? I'm seriously confused by this. :confused:
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The Dell 3007WFP has a secondary native resolution of 1280x800. This is helpful if you don't want to use any monitor scaling at all, and get the image to fill the screen. This gives you an alternative resolution to use for games or whatever else you might want it for, if the 2560x1600 is too demanding, or undesireable for some reason. That is why there is concern here.
 
Dan_D said:
The Dell 3007WFP has a secondary native resolution of 1280x800. This is helpful if you don't want to use any monitor scaling at all, and get the image to fill the screen. This gives you an alternative resolution to use for games or whatever else you might want it for, if the 2560x1600 is too demanding, or undesireable for some reason. That is why there is concern here.
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I can't imagine it being undesirable (otherwise what are you buying it in the first place for?). So that leaves too demanding, and if that is because of a lack of power to push those pixels, IMO, having just paid $1600+ for a monitor you specifically wanted for its resolution, you should well know and be able to afford the graphics card(s) to drive it if gaming is what is important to you. Yes, I understand the see-saw of games vs graphics cards and how if new games requirements outstrip the capabilities of graphics cards to handle them, you are going to have to make compromises. I went through this way back when I bought my 1920x1200 L2335 and tried to get all my games running on it. Even on that monitor I was dissatisfied with using lower resolutions (I hate scaling), so I either had to put up with choppiness or decrease game quality/eye-candy settings to get them to run smooth until I had the graphics power to keep up with them.

2560x1600 is a high end niche market for gaming. The whole idea of gaming at this resolution should be expected to cause credit cards to spontaneously combust.

If large screen is what you want, but can't afford to push 2560x1600, and you are going to be gaming, let me introduce you to the Westinghouse 37" LCD thread in this very forum. Heck, I own one. :p
 
canislupy said:
I can't imagine it being undesirable (otherwise what are you buying it in the first place for?). So that leaves too demanding, and if that is because of a lack of power to push those pixels, IMO, having just paid $1600+ for a monitor you specifically wanted for its resolution, you should well know and be able to afford the graphics card(s) to drive it if gaming is what is important to you. Yes, I understand the see-saw of games vs graphics cards and how if new games requirements outstrip the capabilities of graphics cards to handle them, you are going to have to make compromises. I went through this way back when I bought my 1920x1200 L2335 and tried to get all my games running on it. Even on that monitor I was dissatisfied with using lower resolutions (I hate scaling), so I either had to put up with choppiness or decrease game quality/eye-candy settings to get them to run smooth until I had the graphics power to keep up with them.

2560x1600 is a high end niche market for gaming. The whole idea of gaming at this resolution should be expected to cause credit cards to spontaneously combust.

If large screen is what you want, but can't afford to push 2560x1600, and you are going to be gaming, let me introduce you to the Westinghouse 37" LCD thread in this very forum. Heck, I own one. :p
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I don't disagree. But in the event that you can't run a game with all the eye candy at that resolution, you do have the 1280x800 option which uses NO scaling. This means that it still looks good at that resolution.

And actually, as far as scaling goes, the Dell 3007WFP does a damn good job at it.
 
If the Dell scaling better holds true for the -HC model and it does turn out to be the same panel as the HP (also assuming same quality in other areas), then Dell may very well be the better of the two choices. So I may very well be kicking myself later... naaaah. I'm happy now. :D
 
canislupy said:
If the Dell scaling better holds true for the -HC model and it does turn out to be the same panel as the HP (also assuming same quality in other areas), then Dell may very well be the better of the two choices. So I may very well be kicking myself later... naaaah. I'm happy now. :D
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It might be.

The HP model wasn't available when I purchased my 3007WFP. The only two choices were the Apple and the Dell. I think I chose the better of the two. The Dell has a fully adjustable stand, Apple in their ignorance and desire of form over function does not. The Dell also has the card reader as well. Not a huge selling point for me, but it's there.

Do I kick myself because newer and better things have started to come out? Nope. My monitor STILL kicks ass and does exactly what I want it to, and I've been enjoying it now for a couple of months rather than having played the waiting game.

I'll still be using my 3007WFP until the day it dies. Unless it dies under warranty and it gets replaced by a newer 3007WFP-HC because Dell chose to send that to me instead of a refurbished 3007WFP. I don't really care about color gamut, and the brightness is already too much at times on the Dell. Response time is more than adequate and I am happy.
 
I'm still going to enjoy my choice because I wouldn't want to run it at any other resolution other than 2560x1600 anyway. :)
 
konst said:
That's because you have to use a dual-link cable. If you use single link it will do what you said about colors
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:eek: Your absolutely right. I'm new to this dual-link - single-link cable stuff. I started using a cable that came with my Dell 20" monitor, must have been a single-link cable. The cable that comes with the LP3065 is a thicker cable, hence it must be a dual-link cable. The video cards that exist in my old gaming system are 7800GTX's, so more than likely most of my problems stemmed from that hardware. I've now moved over to my newly built gaming system housing a pair of 8800GTX's and I haven't seen no problems there. :p
 
LadyInsane said:
:eek: Your absolutely right. I'm new to this dual-link - single-link cable stuff. I started using a cable that came with my Dell 20" monitor, must have been a single-link cable. The cable that comes with the LP3065 is a thicker cable, hence it must be a dual-link cable.
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DL-DVI.. extra 6 wires/pins on the cable..hence the extra thickness (not a must/be-it-all indicator thou)... read the lable on the cable and look at the pins on male connectors end of the cable.
 
canislupy said:
If the Dell scaling better holds true for the -HC model and it does turn out to be the same panel as the HP (also assuming same quality in other areas), then Dell may very well be the better of the two choices. So I may very well be kicking myself later... naaaah. I'm happy now. :D
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If both monitors accept only 2560x1600 or 1280x800, then how does one have better scaling then the other?

It's not the monitor, but the video card that is doing the scaling. When you set a game to, say, 1920x1200, the video card is still outputting 2560x1600. From direct experience the LP3065 EDID shows 2560x1600 and 1280x800 as the monitor's supported resolutions. The 3007 should be the same. There just don't seem to be any options for the monitor mfgs as there aren't off the shelf scalers that output 2560 x 1600. Doing a custom scaler ASIC for these margins would be insane.

If you have an Nvidia card you can confirm this. Look for the "Change Flat Panel Scaling" feature. The "Use my displays built-in scaling option" will be grayed out on a LP3065 (3007 should have this grayed as well). ATI likely has a similar feature.
 
FlyingGimp said:
If both monitors accept only 2560x1600 or 1280x800, then how does one have better scaling then the other?

It's not the monitor, but the video card that is doing the scaling. When you set a game to, say, 1920x1200, the video card is still outputting 2560x1600. From direct experience the LP3065 EDID shows 2560x1600 and 1280x800 as the monitor's supported resolutions. The 3007 should be the same. There just don't seem to be any options for the monitor mfgs as there aren't off the shelf scalers that output 2560 x 1600. Doing a custom scaler ASIC for these margins would be insane.

If you have an Nvidia card you can confirm this. Look for the "Change Flat Panel Scaling" feature. The "Use my displays built-in scaling option" will be grayed out on a LP3065 (3007 should have this grayed as well). ATI likely has a similar feature.
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I will have to check on this when I get home. I know my ATI X1950XTX's didn't scale the display resolution at all in games. BF2142 only let me do 2048x1536 and it displayed it at that resolution and I had the black bars on the side of the image.

Now, it stretches it by default. Even though I turned off flat panel scaling in the control panel.
 
If the manufacturer includes an internal scaler, and supports specific resolutions to be scaled internally, then the graphics card will know about it and not scale if the resolution selected matches a supported resolution. I know the HP does not have an internal scaler, but I am not familiar with the Dell, so I can only assume that reports of it supporting more resolutions might indicate it does have a scaler.
 
canislupy said:
If the manufacturer includes an internal scaler, and supports specific resolutions to be scaled internally, then the graphics card will know about it and not scale if the resolution selected matches a supported resolution. I know the HP does not have an internal scaler, but I am not familiar with the Dell, so I can only assume that reports of it supporting more resolutions might indicate it does have a scaler.
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I'll look into the issue more when I get home.
 
It would be good to know. You and I both have the same graphics cards, so if it turns out that the Dell does not scale, it may be the case of PVA (if you have a PVA) vs IPS in how they look visually when the graphics card scales, or maybe just a matter of taste. I for one think resolutions scaled by my eVGA 8800GTXs looks terrible on the HP. But I am easily annoyed by blurriness.
 
canislupy said:
It would be good to know. You and I both have the same graphics cards, so if it turns out that the Dell does not scale, it may be the case of PVA (if you have a PVA) vs IPS in how they look visually when the graphics card scales, or maybe just a matter of taste. I for one think resolutions scaled by my eVGA 8800GTXs looks terrible on the HP. But I am easily annoyed by blurriness.
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My Dell panel is an S-IPS panel. This I know for sure. It's a Rev. A02 3007WFP which is confirmed to have an S-IPS panel.
 
Well........................ahhhh...........................*pauses to comtemplate life for a moment*...........

Well......Nancy my new HP LP 3065 monitor is sitting in a box unopened not but 3 feet from me right this second.
Ya gotta love overnight delivery! :)
But I'm not gonna open her til I get the 8800gtx card delivery. I missed the deilvery yesterday. :( But it should arrive today along with the monitor arm. I got a sweet deal on that delivery. Free overnight shipping...the dealer ate the cost and wished me a Merry Christmas.
I know I'm buying from him again thats for sure! :p
 
canislupy said:
I want proof. :p
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Oh I'm not rushing the opening just for you guys. First, I'm gonna clean my room from the garbage that has accumulated. Then, I'm gonna work on installing the card (I hope I don't need cable extenders :( ). Then, I'm gonna take my time and savor the experience of opening the monitor box.....savor taking off the clothes...erm box material off of nancy. :D
Then I will set her up and work through any hiccups.

Then, set her up with the monitor arm, and then I will take pics with the digital cam. :p
 
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