I want new 939 and want it soon

Manny Calavera said:
AMD is shooting itself in the foot by not producing new 939's. The thought of have having to ditch all that 939 investment is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth.... :( :mad:
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I agree 100%

If DDR1 prices were still low there would be no reason for AM2.

But if DDR1 continues to rise...and DDR2 lowers.....

Then there comes a point where the platform doesnt make sense(which is why AM2 was made in the first place i guess)....

For upgraders though, AMD should make some nice 939 65nm 65 watt dual core chips.

I think itll happen...just like 754 got their venice(although I dont think venice was that much better than winchester).
Bottom line....if AGP punks get thier x1950pros....socket 939 should get new gen low power processors.
 
duby229 said:
939 is dead. get used to it.
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you're prolly with the same crowd that said AGP was dead.

Turns out....it wasnt.

And 3 more mid-high end cards have been released since everyone started proclaiming it dead.

In the meantime someone...somewhere.. with a 939 AGP system is sitting pretty and hasnt had to do a major upgrade in a couple of years....and prolly plays most all new games with ease. All they had to do was add more ram...and slap in a 7800gs, x1950pro, or 7600gt. Could have upgraded to dual core for cheap too.
 
AGP is dead. So is socket 939

If you want to buy AGP, then go for it. If you want to buy 939 go for it. But in both cases they've been replaced.

You need to look at it from the perspective of the supply chain. Say your a system builder. You have four models of computers you sell. Two AMD, and two Intel. At a minimum that is two different boards you need and four different processors. But most other components can be consolidated including memory and video cards......

THAT is the single driving factor, and that alone. What you think or want does NOT matter. The decisions they make are based solely on the supply chain. and in this case the supply chain has dropped both AGP, and 939. This is the simple truth.

The tiny little market that we enthusiasts enjoy absolutely will not bring in enough revenue to pay the sheer costs of die shrinking the DDR memory controller. We are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. It aint worth it. It aint gonna happen
 
foofighter06 said:
you're prolly with the same crowd that said AGP was dead.

Turns out....it wasnt.

And 3 more mid-high end cards have been released since everyone started proclaiming it dead.

In the meantime someone...somewhere.. with a 939 AGP system is sitting pretty and hasnt had to do a major upgrade in a couple of years....and prolly plays most all new games with ease. All they had to do was add more ram...and slap in a 7800gs, x1950pro, or 7600gt. Could have upgraded to dual core for cheap too.
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I think a few people here have different ideas of "dead." Dead doesn't mean something will never even be looked at again, it just means no one in the company (AMD in this case) cares anymore.

AGP IS dead. Sweet, an x1950pro. Have you noticed how many places actually have it in stock, and how many they actually get when they do receive a shipment? Have you noticed the MASSIVE price gouging on the x1950pro? The reason for those is simple: It's an out-of-production platform. If you think you can take a PCI-E x1950pro, cut off the contacts, and solder on a set of AGP contacts, you must live in the clouds too. R&D costs have to be absorbed SOMEWHERE, and when someone designs a card (or a cpu) SPECIFICALLY for an out of production form factor, they're looking at, at absolute best, mediocre sales. Thus, the R&D has to be absorbed by the buyers more so than on high volume sales items like PCI-E, AM2, etc.

Fact is, you guys will never be happy. IF they made 65nm dual core chips for s939, they're going to cost you more than a superior C2D setup, more than an equivalent or superior AM2 setup, and so on. Then you guys will be on here saying "omfg why design a new chip if you're going to charge us more than its big brother chips?!?! omfg I don't understand! Oh the humanity!!" Fact is, all of us on this site are a TINY, ridiculously minute fraction of the computer market. They make what sells.

Do you think AMD cares more about you, or more about dell? Who is going to buy more chips from them?

Roll your eyes at us all you want, but s939 IS a dead socket in terms of production. That doesn't mean it sucks (see sig, I still have mine don't I??), but it is DEAD, because DEAD means no more products are coming for it, or at most, one new mediocre revision. You might get one more product for it like the s754 venices, but do you think s754 is still "alive?" Of course not. Yippee, it got a new chip.

Extremely limited upgradeability options = dead.

LGA775 = Alive
AM2 = Alive
PCI-E = Alive
AGP = Dead
s939 = Dead
s754 = Dead

That's not because I'm a dick, but because I'm in touch with reality.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go write a letter to NVIDIA demanding that they make an SLI capable 8800GTX option for the PCI slot. My Pentium II needs a new card!!
 
foofighter06 said:
dead=no life

There is life left in AGP...and 939.
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No theres not. You could say that socket 7 still has life left in it. After all Intel is still using the same buss. But it doesn't matter, because it cant support the most modern technology. Same is true for AGP, and 939.

Like I said look at this from the perspective of the supply chain.
 
duby229 said:
No theres not. You could say that socket 7 still has life left in it. After all Intel is still using the same buss. But it doesn't matter, because it cant support the most modern technology. Same is true for AGP, and 939.

Like I said look at this from the perspective of the supply chain.
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they're still selling the stuff new on newegg.

are you nuts?
 
duby229 said:
Like I said look at this from the perspective of the supply chain.
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In my supply chain I have newegg.

And newegg offers 939 dual core opterons that are competitive in price to the am2 dual core processors.

They also offer 7800GS's that arent commanding as much of a premium as the 8800's were a couple weeks back.

It would be cheaper for many AGP/pci express 939 users to upgrade their single core processors and PS2.0 video cards....than it would be to get new ram, power supply, overpriced conroe mobo, performance heatsink......
 
foofighter06 said:
In my supply chain I have newegg.

And newegg offers 939 dual core opterons that are competitive in price to the am2 dual core processors.

They also offer 7800GS's that arent commanding as much of a premium as the 8800's were a couple weeks back.

It would be cheaper for many AGP/pci express 939 users to upgrade their single core processors and PS2.0 video cards....than it would be to get new ram, power supply, overpriced conroe mobo, performance heatsink......
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It's not about you... it's about system builders
 
duby229 said:
It's not about you... it's about system builders
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Sure its about me.

Its about my current setup...and what I can buy @ newegg that makes the best use of my money for my next upgrade.

Much in the same way that I dont care if intel is getting rid of IDE, and the industry(system builders) are gonna follow suit.

I have too many IDE devices laying around to follow that trend.

You dont have to be on the cutting edge when it comes to everything you know.
939 provides most all the features that Am2 provides....and I am invested in 939 parts.
If amd and intel shove DDr2 boards down to system builders....thats great and all....but DDR1 works for me. I am an enthusiast which means I am more nimble and cunning than a large company when it comes to computer parts. I can tweak and overclock 939 dual core processors that I find on sale on a random internet forum. I can buy a 7800gs for my 2 year old AGP system to extend its life for another year. I can use a 250 gb PATA harddrive on my motherboard and never think twice about it.

If you are giving out advice for large corporations...then yes....939 may be "dead" to them along with AGP and IDE etc.....So for all the big cheese's from dell and HP that read these forums I am sure they appreciate your advice. :rolleyes:
For me, and the rest of us 939 users.....the socket is alive and kicking.

PS The state of 939socket is in no way comparable to the state of the socket 7 platform.

You can start to put some dirt on the grave of the 939 coffin...but you're gonna hear it kicking and screaming as you foolishly attempt to bury it alive.
 
It's not cutting edge anymore when the entire industry has adopted this technology. At that point it becomes industry standard.

We are not talking about new tech here. We are talking about standard tech. If you still have a bunch of old hardware that you use regularly then that is your problem. Yes thats right problem.

You see what you don't understand is that YOU are not AMDs customer. YOU are neweggs customer. Not AMDs. AMDs responsibility is strictly to there customers.

If you want to fork over the hundreds of millions of dollars needed to keep the old technology alive, and are willing to deal directly with AMD about it, then I'm sure that they would oblige you.

At this point NOBODY has done that. Why? Because it's dead.
 
Well Duby as much as I respect you I just have to say "if you're so adamant about socket 939's demise why are you here arguing about it?" Ok - so its dead. Whoopee! Go somewhere and spend your breath on someone else who'll listen to you. We don't care whether you think its "dead" or "alive." Get back on your horse and ride on outta here and let us have our discussion. We were having a pretty good time until you and the other buzzkillers showed up. Honestly, why do you have to blow into a forum like a tornado and stir stuff up? Fine - you think its dead - so noted. We get it. Now please leave and take your naysaying friends with you. You'll be happier, we'll be happier and everything will settle back down. Simple huh? As long as the manufacturers are making equipment for the enthusiast market why do you care if someone buys it? You've stated your case and others have stated theirs. As long as we understand one another its all good. Not all of us are "camp followers" who feel the need to upgrade to the next new thing. We'll upgrade when we are good and ready. End of story.

Now, having said all that and probably having raised your ire let me just say that I'll toast you to having a Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah and a very Happy and prosperous New Year! I'm looking forward to seeing what is next on the horizon, just don't expect me to follow like a lemming to the sea by grabbing all the new goodies. I, like others here, will follow suit when the time is right for me and I'll upgrade to the best equipment that meets my needs. Nothing more and nothing less.
 
Nah, to AMD it is about system builders. Although we may think that Hector Ruiz wakes up every morning and thinks how he can better serve his customers, he isn't. He wakes up every morning and thinks how he can better serve his stockholders. And this means selling to big vendors, like Dell and HP. In this regard, AM2 may be a wise choice. You (meaning everyone here) represent a small portion of the market. Most people won't care or notice that their upgrade path was just killed and will simply buy an entirely new machine in 2-3 years. AMD made a decision to please stockholders, not you. This is my stockholder point of view anyway (I don't own AMD stock right now but have in the past along with several other tech stocks).

However, from an enthusiast point of view, it sucks. I dumped my 939 awhile ago to raise money for my Conroe. There was no upgrade path for 939 and if I was going to have to buy all new parts anyway, Conroe was the obvious choice. And I think this is the real problem for AMD in the enthusiast market. In May, AMD drops AM2 on the market and claim this is their new platform and that 939 will soon be dead. In July, Intel drops Core 2 and revolutionizes desktop performance. You then had a 300 dollar Conroe besting a 700 (at the time) dollar FX-60. This was bad news in and of itself, but to add injury to insult, if you already had a 939 system you would have to upgrade your entire system to get access to any AMD product in the future that might compete with the Conroe. So for most, the upgrade path from 939 became clear. If you're going to upgrade your whole system anyway, why not get a Conroe that's pretty much guaranteed to reach 3.2 and best any stock retail chip available today (quad cores excluded). The only way AMD stood a chance at competing value-wise was to offer users a clear upgrade path with existing 939 motherboards and memory. Instead, they dropped it and are forcing people into Conroe IMO. This is my enthusiast point of view. AMD had terrible timing on releasing on the AM2 and either should've done it earlier so that more people had adopted it before Core 2 dropped or they should be delaying the release to allow people with 939 systems a cheap and valuable upgrade as opposed to being forced into Conroe.
 
Agreed. If I was building a brand new system - it would be C2D, but if I had a s939 single core setup I'd be looking at an Opty 165/170. And if I had an AGP video setup I'd be looking at a hot new AGP card. If I had PCI-e I'd be looking in that direction. As long as manufacturers are making stuff for my platform and it fits into my budget while increasing my productivity and/or computing satisfaction then it works for me (and evidently a few others as well.)
Socket 939's EOL hasn't officially come yet, but will be here soon. So while it may soon be "dead" it is still viable for those who presently own one. Would I build a new s939 system? Probably not, since C2D is so capable, but if I had one I wouldn't be looking to toss it in the trash anytime soon either.
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and in this case the supply chain has dropped both AGP, and 939. This is the simple truth
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simply is not true yet. There are still suppliers manufacturing peripherals for both AGP and s939. Once they stop altogether then that will be a true statement.
 
Keep living in your dream world then.

Keep waiting for your new 939 system. I'll sit back watch you to see how long you wait for it, then I'll laugh long and hearty. It aint gonna happen, and coming in this thread and crapping on AMD, or Intel, or ATI, or nVidia, aint gonna get you guys no where....

Keep waiting for it. But it aint gonna happen. I've already explained why, and how.
 
Well this seems to have gotten waaayyy out of hand. So I guess I will just keep the fire burning.

I love AMD and think they did some great things in the past .

In terms of suggesting a new platform for friends and family I think one only needs to look at what Intel did with 775. I am a little sketchy on the details but from what I know if you have an P4 and you board could deliver some sort of special voltages then you could pop a C2D into your system.

That sounds pretty sweet to me when i hear that AMD keeps changing their socket to the point of users needing a new CPU AND MoBo if you want to keep up.

I am already reading stuff about AM3 and AM2+ (Though I believe this will work in current socket AM2 boards).

Do I wish a new 939 was coming? YES
Am I holding my breath for it? NO
Who do I think provides for a better future proof system? INTEL
Do I like to put jelly on top of the peanut butter or on its own slice? The more jelly the better
 
The Gonz said:
Well this seems to have gotten waaayyy out of hand. So I guess I will just keep the fire burning.

I love AMD and think they did some great things in the past .

In terms of suggesting a new platform for friends and family I think one only needs to look at what Intel did with 775. I am a little sketchy on the details but from what I know if you have an P4 and you board could deliver some sort of special voltages then you could pop a C2D into your system.

That sounds pretty sweet to me when i hear that AMD keeps changing their socket to the point of users needing a new CPU AND MoBo if you want to keep up.

I am already reading stuff about AM3 and AM2+ (Though I believe this will work in current socket AM2 boards).

Do I wish a new 939 was coming? YES
Am I holding my breath for it? NO
Who do I think provides for a better future proof system? INTEL
Do I like to put jelly on top of the peanut butter or on its own slice? The more jelly the better
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Especially with the chunky peanut butter.... so good.
 
Do I like to put jelly on top of the peanut butter or on its own slice? The more jelly the better
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Keep waiting for your new 939 system. I'll sit back watch you to see how long you wait for it, then I'll laugh long and hearty. It aint gonna happen, and coming in this thread and crapping on AMD, or Intel, or ATI, or nVidia, aint gonna get you guys no where....
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I can now see why many people consider you nothing more than a gas bag. Your attitude sucks. Why don't you just shuffle off to Duby's World where everything is new and no one has to deal with real world issues :rolleyes: Why don't you lighten up a little for Pete's sake? Do you have to be "right" about everything? (Right in your own eyes that is.) I'm losing respect for you by the second. The more you open your pie hole the less respect I have for you.
 
duby229 said:
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Exactly. To a manufacturer like AMD or intel, they don't give a crap about the desires of us enthusiast DIY'ers. We are such a small portion of their annual sales profits that we could disappear altogether and it likely wouldn't matter much. The real money comes from OEM builders.

I. So why the move to AM2 and DDR2?
a.) Simple. As a mass produced platform, it's more cost effective. DDR2 is the golden nugget right now. It's available in bulk and cheap, too.
b.) AM2...well, AMD had no choice with developing a new platform that could utilize DDR2 (yes, the integrated memory controller as well as limited FAB space is biting all of us in the rear).

II. So what is the benefit of AM2?
a.) For us enthusiast DIY'ers, not much, really. It's more or less just a platform change using existing cpu architecture save for one change...DDR2 utilization.
b.) The real benefit could come about with the unveiling of the K8L. We shall see.

I really feel AMD was looking out for the interests in keeping the prices lower that consumers pay in the long run by switching to the cheaper DDR2 memory solution. AM2/AM+ is likely going to be around for quite some time and DDR2 memory prices should continue to drop. After all, if AMD was still utlizing a DDR1 solution, imagine how many people would be turned off to the idea of buying a computer a year from now only to have the sales clerk tell them that upgrading the memory in the near future is going to cost half as much as the system itself (if they can even find the memory in the first place)! Or if they want to order a new system with 4 GB instead of 1GB, it's going to triple the overall price of the computer as a whole.

I know there are a lot of us DIY'ers out there with S754 and S939 platforms, but we gotta face the facts here.... AMD had no choice in milking DDR1 for as long as they could because of the integrated memory controller. Now they have moved on to DDR2 in order to keep their business alive. What was good for us a year ago is really sucking now, I agree. But it would be a completely useless and stupid move on AMD's part to continue producing cpu's for just a handful of people with older sockets in which a good portion of could potentially get cold feet and change platforms to X2 + AM2 or C2D + 775 anyway. From a business perspective, I wouldn't take that chance, either.
 
BigMacAttack said:
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I can now see why many people consider you nothing more than a gas bag. Your attitude sucks. Why don't you just shuffle off to Duby's World where everything is new and no one has to deal with real world issues :rolleyes: Why don't you lighten up a little for Pete's sake? Do you have to be "right" about everything? (Right in your own eyes that is.) I'm losing respect for you by the second. The more you open your pie hole the less respect I have for you.
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This thread isnt about me, or how much you dont like me, so get off your better then thou attitude. I couldnt care less.

On topic, As I said already, it's not about you, or any of us. It's about what system builders are willing to pay for, and right now that is AM2. Did I ever say it was better? No. I just simply said it is what system builders are using? Why are they using it? Consolidation.

It is that simple. System builders need to buy in bulk. In order to make the bulk as large as possible, it is required to keep components the same across platforms, and system builders are using DDR2. That is the end all be all of this situation, and it doesnt matter what you or I or anybody else thinks or wants.

They are the ones who are paying the big bucks, and they will get what they want.
 
Come on Guys, you have got to love Duby...i love reading his posts, they make me smile, how can you not like a guy who makes you smile?

I love his posts about whats dead, and where hes posting it.

This is [H]ardOcp forums no? Not a ystems builders site, or a [D]ell site is it?


So he can talk about "dead" and "system builders" all he wants. This is an enthusists site. So really, all we care about is what is an upgrade path for "us", not "system builders"

"dead" in technology terms is a subjective term to the "user". Whats dead to me, or my friends, or my business, or Dell, is all different.

Looking at Newegg (my supplier) They have no less than 25 939 chips listed, and 37 AM2 chips. or roughly 70% as many 939 as AM2.

Thats not dead for me at all. Who knows what Dell is buying, and why do I care?

My 939 mobo will last for probably 2 years at least.

Why? Becuase so, its so alive for me. "5 is a alive! 5 is a live! No dissasemble Johnny #5!!"

Shoot im still on a single core chip. My new purchased FX-55 for $129, sold my A64-3000 for $40, So costs me a totally of $89 to go from an OC of 2.4, to an OC of 3.1 Works for me. Still Single Core, becuase shoot, almost no game uses dual core yet anyways. Got my nifty 8800GTS for $399, just crushing games.

Nothing my sytem can BLAZE through, single core even. Shocking!! But wait, its DEAD!! Oh where oh where will I be able to improve??? I just cant it Dead!

Oh, but once games use dual cores, I will be able to get one of those, I can SLI my 8800GTS, or get a GTX, SLI 2 GTX's, or whatever new card there is.

My system, has a TON of upgradability yet. a TON.

Dead to me? Not by a long shot. "dead" is subjective. Just as "beautiful" is, or "cute", or "nice" or "smart"....

I love my little 939, its good to me. I think ill go dust it, make it all shiny for the holidays, maybe give it a bow to spruce it up :)
 
I certainly agree with the large part of your post.

The point is though if you read the ops post, he is bitching about AMD not releasing a 65nm 939 chip. While I certainly respect your post, and agree with the large part of it, it doesnt really apply to this thread.
 
This thread isnt about me, or how much you dont like me, so get off your better then thou attitude. I couldnt care less.
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:rolleyes:

Other than that this was a good post - no vitriole, succinct and to the point. Let's just say we agree to disgree on what is "dead" and what is not. Technologically in the eyes of AMD its EOL is coming, we all know and agree that this is so. So while it may be "dead" to AMD it isn't to a lot of users out there. And like I said before - there is precedence for a "dead" architecture to receive a little shot in the arm since the 754 went from its "dead" 130nm architecture to the newer 90nm SOI architecture. Was it earth shatteringly better than 130nm? No, but it was an improvement none the less and allowed some of us to soldier on with our "dead" sockets.
Am I holding my breathe waiting anxiously for a crumb to fall from AMD's table? Not hardly. I'm just sitting back watching the world go by, waiting to see if AMD does spring one on the 939 guys. I've seen it happen so many times that someone will spout off their superior, supreme knowledge about future events either happening or not happening only to have to eat their words 6 months later. So let us all just wait and see what comes on down the pike. If you are the kind of person who likes to sit back and crow more power to you I guess. Only small people like to feel big at other's expense.
 
bradyapba said:
This is [H]ardOcp forums no? Not a ystems builders site, or a [D]ell site is it?


So he can talk about "dead" and "system builders" all he wants. This is an enthusists site. So really, all we care about is what is an upgrade path for "us", not "system builders"
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Like it or not, us Enthusiasts are at the mercy of manufacturers when it comes to determining upgrade paths and options. Can a S754 + AGP user slap in an Opteron 170 and an 8800GTX? No, didn't think so. Doesn't deem the platform dead by any means. Just very limited.


bradyapba said:
Nothing my sytem can BLAZE through, single core even. Shocking!! But wait, its DEAD!! Oh where oh where will I be able to improve??? I just cant it Dead!

Oh, but once games use dual cores, I will be able to get one of those, I can SLI my 8800GTS, or get a GTX, SLI 2 GTX's, or whatever new card there is.

My system, has a TON of upgradability yet. a TON.

Dead to me? Not by a long shot. "dead" is subjective. Just as "beautiful" is, or "cute", or "nice" or "smart"....
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You are dead right here. It is a very subjective term.

I agree with you in the fact that a S939 platform has tons of upgradablility left.
...I just installed an Opteron 170 yesterday to replace a RevE 3000+. Noticable difference.
...I would like to get another 2 GB of the G.Skill DDR500 memory I currently have, but it's nowhere to be found in stock or at the much lower price I paid for it.
...I'd like to eventually get a pair of 8800's to replace my 7800GT's, but with the Vista+SLI+Detonator Driver resources bug rearing it's ugly head on my system, I wish I knew for sure whether or not it is indeed fixed with just a simple BIOS update, and whether or not my motherboard manufacturer will even release a new BIOS image to fix it. I'm not so sure how much life is left in my platform.

If only I knew for sure that my SLI mobo and cpu platform would work flawlessly with Vista/DX10 as it does with XP/DX9. If only. So far with the testing I've done with Vista, it doesn't.
 
Why? By forcing AM2 on you, they get to sell you a new motherboard, CPU, and memory, and they don't have to do any R&D!

Oh wait, that's what all the Intel bashers said about 775. Sorry.
 
duby229 said:
I certainly agree with the large part of your post.

The point is though if you read the ops post, he is bitching about AMD not releasing a 65nm 939 chip. While I certainly respect your post, and agree with the large part of it, it doesnt really apply to this thread.
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And I actually agree a lot of what you said. I manage the inventory of a chain of 31 hardware stores. Im well aware I am at the mercy of what my suppliers sell to me.

So I agree with you on what you say on whats going to get supplied, and what AMD is going to produce, ie 65 core for 939, more likely than not, its probably not going to happen.

And for the orginal OP.. the s939 may actually be "dead" for him as a platform. As i look at his sig, i see he has a X2 3800.. so i dont know where Manny started in his 939 life in chip terms (is the X2 3800 his 1st chip, or 2nd, or 3rd?) If its his 1st, then he came in late to the cycle of having a 939 board, just not much you can do about that. He still can upgrade to a faster chip, but its incrimental upgrade. Becuase if you think of the life of the s939 board, its been very productive... for a a64 3000, to the FX-series, to now dual cores. You cant expect much more life out of ANY platform.

And the other question is, what is he trying to accomplish? His X2 3800 and his 8800GTS is probably ripping through any game he can throw at it, or any other processes he can throw at it. What does he need to upgrade for?

Manny really brings up 2 different points in his posts.

One is "recommending" system to friends. Well hes right, there is no way you can reccomend building a 939 over a c2d if your building new right now.

The other is not being to upgrade his 939 system. Which again he can do, and it should rip through anything he needs it too, its just not as "fast" as building a new system, combined with hes already got a very good 939 chip, the upgrade path for him is not great.

But it brings me back to my orginal point. "dead" is subjective. It may be Dead for Manny and thats unfortunate. I feel bad for him, that sucks if it is.

But Dub to have you said its "dead" is clearly a misnomoir for most of us here at a enthusist site. The s939 still has plenty of life for many of us who still are on single cores, one GPU, etc. Its all in your perspective? Are you right? Am I right? Is Manny right? Its all subjective to your perspective.

Is it dead to Manny? Maybe, an thats its too bad for him, that sucks.

Is it dead to you? It is becuase, your looking at it from the supply side of the economic scale.

Is it dead to me? Not by a long shot.

So to say to make a blanket statement that "939" is dead... just isn't that accurate.
 
I'll concede that.

It certainly is subjective depending on what you have versus what is available.
 
My wish for the new year is to be running an overclocked 65nm 939 dual core chip @ 3.4GHz next christmas.

Odds are it wont happen.

If it does, though, 939 will belong in the same socket hall of fame as Socket A.
 
foofighter06 said:
My wish for the new year is to be running an overclocked 65nm 939 dual core chip @ 3.4GHz next christmas.

Odds are it wont happen.

If it does, though, 939 will belong in the same socket hall of fame as Socket A.
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Shiz... That would be sweet, if Santa could leave that in my stocking...

A s939 Brisbane 65nm energy efficient FX or X2, that can OC over 3.0ghz mark...

If that happened I would leave out a 12oz AAA Sirloin Steak and a pitcher of tap fosters
instead of a fruitcake or preserver ridden cookies and milk ;)
 
I look at it this way, I upgraded to 939 back in june, to go from an XP 2500 system.

I picked up 2GB of good ram (less than half the cost of DDR2 BTW), an X2 processor, and a nice motherboard for all of $450. I just got a new monitor finally, and as soon as I get a good vidcard (current is 7900GS, good enogh for now, but won't last), I will be good till mid 2008.

Yeah, conroe would be nice, just to run all those pretty benchmarks faster :rolleyes:

I'm fuckin sick of forced upgrades anymore. First it was PCI-E, then new CPU sockets every revision, when will this shit end?!
 
AdamNesvick said:
I'm fuckin sick of forced upgrades anymore. First it was PCI-E, then new CPU sockets every revision, when will this shit end?!
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Never my friend, never...
It will only becomes more rampant.
Faster innovations, development and upgrades in PC components is "inevitable",
Mr. Anderson. :p
 
I want to get a new videocard and more RAM, so I'll need a new motherboard. Should I go AM2 or stay with Socket 939? Right now I have an A64 3000+ S939, 9800 Pro, and 512MB PC3200. I'm planning on getting a Asus A8N-E mobo, BFG 7600GTOC, and 1GB PC3200, which would cost me about $275.
 
Go AM2 so that you can go to K8L when it is released. Take the hit now so it won't be so bad in the future. s939 stuff is good for those who already have it but if building a new system AM2 or C2D is the way to go. Or if you want to stay 939 keep your mobo, get a better vid card and go to another 512 mb ram (for a total of 1 gb) or get a 2 gb kit. No need to swap mobos if you already have one, unless you have AGP and want to go to PCI-e. If that is the case, sell what you have and grab the AM2 or C2D.
 
I wonder if it would do any good to email amd with as many emails as possible to continue 939 with some 65nm cpu's.if all on these forums were to barrage amd with so many emails complaining about being left out in the cold with their eol of 939.
It probubly couldnt hurt so why dont we get an organized effort to do just that. Id be intrested to know how many emails could be generated. Also where would you send the emails that would do the most good and get the most attention.Even some tv coverage to really put them on the spot.
If anyone has ideas on this or who is in marketing and would know the best way to get their attention,lets hear from you. Ideas please.
At this point I dont see how it could hurt chances of getting more 939's made.........
Any thoughts on this........................................................................................
 
I would love to do something like this.

Don't we have some sort of s939 alliance on Hardforums?

Why don't they initiate the barrage of emails for
continuing s939 support?
 
Sadly...

user emails < Millions of dollars spent on research marketing strategies from AMD.

AMD has chosen NOT to support 939 for a reason, and it'd take a country-wide outcry before they even RELEASE those reasons, let alone think about changing them.

And anyways, lots of lots of emails is going to either get you the b& or the v& from AMD.
 
Your definition of "dead" is dumb. It aint dead. Is it the latest and greatest technology? No. If you want that open your checkbook and start writing. But for a vast number of sensible users, S939 is Fine, for now, thank you. So please. Quit saying dead over and over and over. It's annoying, and just plain Dumb.

regards
 
foofighter06 said:
I agree 100%

If DDR1 prices were still low there would be no reason for AM2.

But if DDR1 continues to rise...and DDR2 lowers.....

Then there comes a point where the platform doesnt make sense(which is why AM2 was made in the first place i guess)....

For upgraders though, AMD should make some nice 939 65nm 65 watt dual core chips.

I think itll happen...just like 754 got their venice(although I dont think venice was that much better than winchester).
Bottom line....if AGP punks get thier x1950pros....socket 939 should get new gen low power processors.
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Someone who understands..... At this point it makes sense to make a few 939's and throw us a bone.
:)
 
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