Dead Ballistix, I want your info :)

well, got my new kit this morning, installed, first boot went straight for the settings i ran perfectly stable with on the last set, 250Mhz @ 2.85v @ 2.5-2-2-6 1T

so far so good, hopefully that brief two weeks at 3.05v is what did the last set in.....dunno, i doubt it, but i guess it is possible, but now that i know what other settings need to be to keep vdimm at 2.85v, no need to try more vdimm with this set

this set is CL11165.JG btw

BL6464Z402.16TG
 
just got my new 16TD1s in as well

booted up with my last settings 269 @ 3-3-3-8 unvolted at 2.7
passed 4 rounds of memtest @ test5

tried 295 @ 3-3-3-8 at 2.8v
failed after 2nd pass of memtest @ test5

no active cooling, if i cant do 285 with these, im sellin them
tired of this dying crap
 
aldy, i haven't seen any of the .16TD1's die, assuming proper care is taken (read: use a fan and don't go over 3v). if you wanna dispose of them, i know a good address you can mail em to :p

also, what are the secondary timings you're using at 295mhz, 2.8v? i'm assuming you didn't do much tweaking outside of the primary 4
 
Just a note to say my 16TD1 are still going strong, have been @ 270mhz 1:1 3-3-3-8-1T @ 2.7v since i got them.
 
Hey OZI, Think Possibly This may be a Non-Specific Brand problem & the prob may lie Squarely with batches of Micron 5B Chips itself? You Know my Plight & I use Micron chips as well, (OCZ PC 4000 Plat XTC), Your thoughts, Thanks =)
 
it could. though keep in mind that 5b simply denotes a speed.. 200mhz at 3-3-3-8 out of micron's fab. the letter on the end specifies the die revision, be it C, D, F or G ;)

to me, it seems that F's yields are simply not good enough to be making parts that clock exceptionally well. D seems to be far better, or else micron is being sneaky as always and culling out the top chips to go into the ballistix sticks. who knows :p

also guys, the more i think about it, if the .16TD1's aren't failing, it must have been a PCB problem, not IC. i really want someone to donate me a set of dead ballistix to see if i can play necromancer with em :D
 
Well guys. My 16TD.1's appear to be failing just like the original set. Last night i went to reinstall bf2 on my latest re-format of my box and discovered i couldn't patch the game; invalid checksum errors on the .RTP patch file every single time. Re-downloading the patch had no effect; the game runs fine on install but fails patching. After cursing EA for hours i finally found some posts by people who had the same problem who found it to be a RAM problem. Sure enough, memtest failed in 2 seconds flat on my RAM @ the previously 30 hour stable 270mhz 3-4-4-8-1T @ 2.8v. Fired up prime95 and managed to have it error out in less than 8 minutes. Downclocked my RAM to 220mhz leaving the CPU @ 270mhz...and no problems at all. With the RAM @ 220mhz or so the patch works fine too. I put my new sticks in feb13th. - Anyone else with TD1 have any problems yet?
 
Update: still not stable even down to 245mhz, 3-4-4-8 1t @ 2.8v. Had to drop it to 3-4-4-10 @ 220mhz. Fuck.
 
i ran my 16TD1 ballistix tracers @ 280 since march at 3-3-3-8 stock volts

funny

now I have to run them at 230, talk about decay..
now its time for my 6th rma , wheee

eclipse...
maby its time to do a sticky on the secondary timings?? I never touch them and have NO idea what I would be doing outside the initial 4
 
aldy402 said:
i ran my 16TD1 ballistix tracers @ 280 since march at 3-3-3-8 stock volts

funny

now I have to run them at 230, talk about decay..
now its time for my 6th rma , wheee

eclipse...
maby its time to do a sticky on the secondary timings?? I never touch them and have NO idea what I would be doing outside the initial 4
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Damnit :( I was hoping the 16TD.1's would be good. Anyone else had theirs decay?

For the first time last night since my old sticks went south, i had my box refuse to boot (repeatedly rebooted) after changing a bios memory setting. :rolleyes: Wouldn't get past the post-post screen where it lists device irq's. Blarg!
 
aldy402 said:
eclipse...
maby its time to do a sticky on the secondary timings?? I never touch them and have NO idea what I would be doing outside the initial 4
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i'll work on it eventually. it's more of an art than anything though
 
Fuck. Ram was running @ 220mhz last night, cpu @ 2650, settings i ascertained were stable with memtest and prime95 a few days ago. Blue screen while doing nothing but watching a DVD. Machine reboots...hits the post-post screen...reboots. reboots. Long story short, i had to drop down to 200fsb with ram @ 5/6ths (166) to fucking get the box to boot. Renting RAM from crucial indeed. I'm sick of this shit. I'm getting these sticks RMA'd and selling the fuckers on ebay when they are replaced.
 
I just found this thread - i thought i was the only one going through this RAM like it's disposable. This will be my second time the ram has completely died on me, system wouldn't POST with it.

The batch is CL1115M.F5 PN 47072
 
Mine's been going steadily downhill...my previous 2.7ghz @ 1:1 will barely boot (and has file corruption problems) @ 2.1ghz w/ ram running @ 140mhz with loosened timings, now. Haven't had the money to buy replacement RAM and i've been limping by since it started dying, as i need my machine for work and i'll be without ram for 2 weeks whenever i send this pile of shit back. Fuck ballistix and fuck Crucial.
 
Well, so far, I've had no problems with my Ballistix and I've had them nearly 3 months.

CL1116J.WP
47072
BL6464Z402.16TG

I'm glad it's not showing up as a CL1115 part.
 
Yeah, I haven't seen any numbers my Ballistix has on the slow death sticks. I don't think I'd have gotten them without your persistant backing up of the stuff.
 
So i just got off the phone with crucial getting the RMA set up for this set of sticks...LOL too funny.

Nowadays they will allow you to cross-ship and will charge you the cost of the chips, then reimburse you when they receive yours...which they wouldn't do when i did the last rma if you'll recall. Amusingly, the cost for each of my 1gb chips was 152$! Now this is hysterically funny, because of this:

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1028953160&postcount=241

The representative was going to swap my sticks out with a pair of PC 3200 sticks of ballistix instead (2-2-2-6 @ 2.6v @ 200mhz), but those apparently are also not being produced in 1 GB sizes anymore. As a result, they are replacing my 2 1 GB sticks of ballistix PC4000 with 2 1gb sticks of standard crucial memory, rated at PC 3200 speeds at CAS 3-4-4-8. Not only that, but the representative told me that my two sticks of ballistix were worth approximately $160 so there was no chance of my getting a store credit for the cost difference in sticks.


And the sticks are 105$ ea. on newegg right now
 
Hmm...just found this thread.

I have 2 pairs of Ballistic PC-3200 2 x 512 sticks.

# CL1116D.R5 (new set)

AND

#CL11142.BK (old set)

The first set (the old ones) lasted me from about October 2004-April 2006. Not bad really. Noticed a lot of corrupt files, BSOD, and Windows errors before they crapped out. Luckly had a 512 stick from a friend, switched out the Ballistix RAM and found out it was the problem causing all the above problems.

My setup is in my sig, haven't touched the RAM timings before, and have left the vdimm volts @ the recommended 2.8, as well I have a fan blowing on the RAM.

...Now the funny thing is I just got a new set in April, same RAM, same problems again. Switched to my old friends RAM (which I haven't given back hehe), everything seems to be running perfectly fine. I don't know about you but I'm really starting to lose faith in my Ballistix RAM (sorry eclipse even though I love ya).
 
Oh yea, so what's the census eclipse after reading through 18 pages of bad vibes from everyone using Ballistix? Do you have anything positive to say? Can you still actually say that Crucial "is the shit"?









(just teasing) :p
 
EternityZX9 said:
Can you still actually say that Crucial "is the shit"?
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yeah, just not for ddr1 anymore ;)

32m-543.6.png
 
The numbers sure do look great, until they slowly decay to non functional chips. Mine were fine @ 277mhz 3-4-4-8 @ 1:1 fsb for a short while...alas, no longer did they function above 140mhz 3-4-4-10 when i sent them back.
 
yeah, just not for ddr1 anymore :p
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Well, that was a very short census :p

Oh, and would you by chance have any recommendations to get for new RAM eclipse? I know you're a Crucial fanatic, but what else would you suggest?
 
Got my replacement sticks. Totally new batch codes - i'm hopeful. Running them @ 245mhz currently to make sure everything is stable with them before i try any higher. I'm fairly tempted to just leave em at 245mhz.
CL1116T.YH
BL12864Z503.16TF1Y
 
micron 5b F. let me know how they clock. i'm guessing around 270-280mhz at 3-3-3

and no, they won't die this time around
 
EternityZX9 said:
Oh, and would you by chance have any recommendations to get for new RAM eclipse? I know you're a Crucial fanatic, but what else would you suggest?
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teamgroup has been catching a lot of my attention lately. i should have a 2x512mb pair of ddr2-667 in soon that i have high hopes for :D
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
micron 5b F. let me know how they clock. i'm guessing around 270-280mhz at 3-3-3

and no, they won't die this time around
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That'd be nice - the old ones were stable @ 270mhz at 3-4-4-8 when i first got them, with voltage @ 2.75. It'd be nice to run 270+ @ 1:1 FSB. Ya think they've fixed the issues with these?
 
headless said:
That'd be nice - the old ones were stable @ 270mhz at 3-4-4-8 when i first got them, with voltage @ 2.75. It'd be nice to run 270+ @ 1:1 FSB. Ya think they've fixed the issues with these?
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yeah. i've had a pair of sticks with micron 5b F since january. they're still going strong. cooling is still important though, as they still run hot :(
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
yeah. i've had a pair of sticks with micron 5b F since january. they're still going strong. cooling is still important though, as they still run hot :(
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What voltage are you running yours at? I've got 3x80mm and 2x120mm in my case plus the 120mm cpu fan.
 
headless said:
What voltage are you running yours at? I've got 3x80mm and 2x120mm in my case plus the 120mm cpu fan.
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anywhere from 2.5 to 3.2v. usually 2.8v though. as long as there is direct airflow over the ram, all should be good.
 
Hey (cf)Eclipse, I just wanna know how the ballistix pair in your review here http://eclipseoc.com/index.php?id=1,37,0,0,1,0 are doing, are they still alive?

those sticks are most like mine 5bG sticks and I used your review as a guide for my purchase.

well mine are beggining to show signs of the slow death, I was quite happy with them for a while now, but they suddenly wanted more voltage with my OC, humming along originally 2.6v now at 2.8v and it's also giving me the no post when I restart symptom and I have to completely power off my pc to get it to post again, Im now running stock, and was fine for a while with 2.7v but then it started to fail with a BSOD, fails memtest test 5 and now want's 2.8v again at stock.

im mostly ok right now despite the need to power off completely though all I want is a warm reboot.

at stock, passes pcmark04, prime95 torture, memtest test 5 and 8 @ 4 passes each.

so someone tell me, is my ballistix pair dying also?
 
sold them to someone a long time ago. last i heard, they're still working fine :eek:


how warm are they when running stress tests?
 
haven't measured temps on them yet, I got no way to do it properly.

I will try touch the heatspreaders later on though, and will update you here.

what should I be looking out for?
 
Ok, so I did my OC again, and as usual it's 245x10 for cpu or ddr490 2.8vdimm with timings of 2.5-2-2-6

no memteset errors 4 passes each of test 5 and 8, the ram got really hot to the touch, i can keep my finger on the heatspreader though, im not so sure im thinking about 50deg and up or so.

at this point it doesn't look all that bad, thing is it used to do all this with just 2.6v. I still have the no post on warm reboot, although the strangest thing is it only happens when I do the reboot from windows, I did several successful reboots from the memtest console, im using the memtest that comes with my bios if that matters.
 
and now i submit to you a question of unparalleled importance: would you let your cpu get that hot?

no wonder your ram has problems, get a fan over them! :p
 
Can you fucking believe it - it appears THESE fucking sticks are dying too. I sold my machine off after 3 months of flawless operation, never running the sticks above 2.7volts and never above 250mhz at STOCK TIMINGS - because i decided that they were not fucking capable of any higher without dying. Get a call from the buyer today that the machine is bluescreening and randomly rebooting. Get them to download and run memtest86 (they are not a technical person and live an hour and a half or so away) and they are getting bajillions of errors.
Crucial can suck my fucking ballsack. They'd better not try and give me shit about getting these fuckers replaced under my lifetime fucking warranty for the third fucking time, which i'm fucking unbelievably fucking glad I have because otherwise i'd be totally fucked. I can not understand how the fuck they could possibly manage to sell so much fucking shitty ass RAM that is marketted as high performance enthusiast market memory and stay in business. The third set lasted me from 08-15-06 until today, 02-12-07. Less than 5 full fucking months. That's about right, considering i first bought this lightforsaken fucking RAM on 09/19 of 2005. It died by 02/02 of 2006. That replacement RAM died by 08/15/06. 5 months per set. How quaint.
 
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