Is PSP really struggling or not?

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Psychotext said:
But I'm having fun (and I'm actually interested):

TOP 20 Ranked - PSP

1. Lumines - NEW
2. Wipeout Pure - PORT
3. Tekken: Dark Resurrection - PORT
4. Ridge Racer - PORT
5. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories - NEW
6. Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror - PORT
7. Daxter - PORT
8. Burnout Legends - PORT
9. Virtua Tennis: World Tour - PORT
10. LocoRoco - NEW
11. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories - NEW
12. Mega Man Powered Up - PORT
13. MLB 06: The Show - PORT
14. Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix - PORT
15. X-Men Legends II - PORT
16. OutRun 2006 - PORT
17. Lumines II - NEW
18. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fire - DEBATEABLE
19. WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 - PORT
20. Hot Shots Golf - PORT

14 out of the top 20 are ports (feel free to argue with some of them, I classed it has a port if the reviews said "re-creation of" or the game is also available on PS2 / PS1).

I'll be back to do the DS ones.
OK OK ill throw the Towel in if you can proove that ALL the following:
Mega Man Powered Up
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories
PSP Version of Daxter
Tekken: Dark Resurrection
Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror
Wipeout Pure
are on on the PS1 or PS2
Also i think that MGS PO is a system seller
Medal Of Honour Heroes is a system seller
But i suppose youll class those as ports as the other consoles have games with the same name but are different expansions/titles/sequels., in which case:
DS:
1. Mario Kart DS - PORT
2. Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow - PORT
3. Advance Wars: Dual Strike - PORT
4. New Super Mario Bros. - PORT
8. Animal Crossing: PORT
9. Tetris DS - PORT
10. Super Mario 64 - PORT
12. Metroid Prime: Hunters - PORT
13. Tony Hawk's American Sk8land - PORT
17. Dragon Quest Heroes: PORT
18. Sonic Rush - PORT
22. Yoshi's Island DS - PORT

and yes your list is a lot fairer than the other DS poster, but i cant see how this prooves that the PSP is struggling.
 
Nah, it was far more scientific than that. I did actually go and read the reviews to see if the game was now different... it wasn't so simple as saying something was a remake / had the same name or not - that would be stupid.

Oh, and I said that the two GTA games were new because they are different games - don't know why you posted that I said otherwise.
 
Rash said:
1. Mario Kart DS - PORT
2. Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow - PORT
3. Advance Wars: Dual Strike - PORT
4. New Super Mario Bros. - PORT
8. Animal Crossing: PORT
9. Tetris DS - PORT
10. Super Mario 64 - PORT
12. Metroid Prime: Hunters - PORT
13. Tony Hawk's American Sk8land - PORT
17. Dragon Quest Heroes: PORT
18. Sonic Rush - PORT
22. Yoshi's Island DS - PORT

Metroid Prime Hunters isn't even the same genre as any other Metroid game, there aren't any other Dragon Quest games for Nintendo systems, and even with your updated list, it still doesn't reach the amount on the PSP.
 
Psychotext said:
But I'm having fun (and I'm actually interested):

TOP 20 Ranked - PSP

1. Lumines - NEW
2. Wipeout Pure - PORT
3. Tekken: Dark Resurrection - PORT
4. Ridge Racer - PORT
5. Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories - NEW
6. Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror - PORT
7. Daxter - PORT
8. Burnout Legends - PORT
9. Virtua Tennis: World Tour - PORT
10. LocoRoco - NEW
11. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories - NEW
12. Mega Man Powered Up - PORT
13. MLB 06: The Show - PORT
14. Tony Hawk's Underground 2 Remix - PORT
15. X-Men Legends II - PORT
16. OutRun 2006 - PORT
17. Lumines II - NEW
18. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fire - DEBATEABLE
19. WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 - PORT
20. Hot Shots Golf - PORT

14 out of the top 20 are ports (feel free to argue with some of them, I classed it has a port if the reviews said "re-creation of" or the game is also available on PS2 / PS1).

I'll be back to do the DS ones.

Huh? Please tell me what other systems I can find Wipeout Pure, Tekken DR, Syphon Filter DM, Daxter and Megaman Powered Up on. Just because it has the same gameplay DOES NOT mean it is a port. A port for example would be Super Mario 64 on the DS, incase you don't understand.
 
I'll make it clear again, the reviews stated that these games are pretty much identical to their namesakes - but now on PSP / DS. This isn't my opinion, it's the opinion of people that play games for a living.

Put simply, when they say "there's really nothing new here if you already played x" then it's a port, if you like it or not. You're more than welcome to go and read the reviews and argue with them.

[Edit - I just re-read a bunch of the reviews and I'll give you Syphon Filter. Only one out of 4 reviewers said it seemed like a port. (Same review I read first time).]
 
aznpxdd said:
Huh? Please tell me what other systems I can find Wipeout Pure, Tekken DR, Syphon Filter DM, Daxter and Megaman Powered Up on. Just because it has the same gameplay DOES NOT mean it is a port. A port for example would be Super Mario 64 on the DS, incase you don't understand.
Powered Up is a remake of the original Mega Man, Dark Resurrection is an increment to Tekken 5.
 
Yeah, like I said, similiar gameplay but with completely new characters/cars(?), story and levels/tracks. I don't see how you can call them ports.

Please give me a reason why you would call Wipeout Pure a port and not any of the GTA series?
 
Because wipeout comes with a couple of new tracks and vehicles and the gta games are completely new stories with all new missions. In the case of Wipeout it's more like a patch than a new game.

But anyway, if you like feel free to make another version that lists new IP vs sequels. I'm not going to make out that my lists were perfect. It's all opinion at the end of the day!
 
I don't get what you're saying, both games have similiar gameplay to their PS/PS2 counterparts but with new settings/mission/tracks and characters/vehicles. Yet, one is catagorized as a port while one is new?

All of Wipeout Pure's track are new, and it also has a couple of new modes/features that the consoles versions did not have, so it is still a port? Would you call Mario Kart 64 a port of Super Mario Kart? I mean, they share the same gameplay, but the N64 version comes with new features and tracks.
 
Using gamerankings as an absolute mode of judgment is kind of silly in my opinion.

Everybody has their own tastes. I like a lot of games that are in the 70%/80% region. Many of them more than the ones in the 90-100% region. This is more based on category than anything else. For example, I don't like FPS that require me to "practice" playing the game (if I need to "practice" before I can survive in a game for more than 2 seconds with my friends it's not fun for me. when was the last time you sat alone in your room "practicing" monopoly in preparation for friends coming over?).

Take half-life 2 for example. It's has something like a 95% on gamerankings. I played it, felt dizzy the whole time, and almost threw up after playing a water level for about 10 minutes. I'm sure to people who don't get motion-sickness from it, it's a great game, but to me, I physically can't play it. Hence, on my PERSONAL ranking scale, HL2 gets something near a 0 for being unplayable. I would never give a game that literally makes me want to vomit a 95% or whatever gamerankings has it at.

In either case, although I'm sure Nintendogs is a great game, I personally can't imagine spending 4 hours of my life tapping a dog's ass to see him run in a circle. I'm sure my female friends would enjoy that, but they enjoy a lot of other weird things that I don't like. Personally, I prefer mario kart.

I googled ds/psp sales and on average it seems that, although the DS beats the PSP in sales consistently almost every month since release, the PSP isn't that far behind. I'm talking ~80% or better of DS sales, and that's not that bad at all. Their relative market shares are probably around 35-65 or maybe even 40-60. In some areas, the PSP even appears to beat the DS by a little bit.

But these are just in straight numbers. The very fact that almost as many people are willing to drop almost twice as much money on the PSP as there are people buying the DS is impressive to me.
 
Psychotext said:
I'll make it clear again, the reviews stated that these games are pretty much identical to their namesakes - but now on PSP / DS. This isn't my opinion, it's the opinion of people that play games for a living.

Put simply, when they say "there's really nothing new here if you already played x" then it's a port, if you like it or not. You're more than welcome to go and read the reviews and argue with them.

[Edit - I just re-read a bunch of the reviews and I'll give you Syphon Filter. Only one out of 4 reviewers said it seemed like a port. (Same review I read first time).]

That's the dumbest argument I've heard in awhile. You can't call Castelvania a port when the last time a Castlevania side-scroller appeared on a console, all of us were lamenting the popularity of Hansen and Limp Bizkit.

Since that time, four or five Castlevania games have been put out for the Gameboy/DS. That's not a "port".
 
As much as I hate sony you have to say that their install base is strong in the US at least:

- DS: 7.6 million
- PSP: 5.7 million

What should more worrying for the blu-ray toting, rootkit-installing brain surgeons is that the sales trends for the psp unit are not good at all. Software attach rates are, however, similar to the DS at ~3:

Japan November hardware sales:
DS Lite 177,000
PSP 27,000

I can verify personally that my local Best Buy - in a major US city & tech hub - has overflowing stock of the psp (over 50), with only 6 pink ds available. There are also a tremendous amount of psp games on the shelves contrasting with the picked over DS selection.

Another point for future prospects: every effort sony has made to make the psp a useful media device (UMD movies, online music store) has failed *horribly*. This coupled with their irrational love of proprietary formats that have rather high failure rates in the electronic entertainment marketplace do not paint an especially rosy picture for the future.

So finally, whats left? All accounts point the fact that sony loses money on every psp sold while the opposite is true for the nintendo consoles. Poor sofware sales mean the whole strategy of recouping the hardware losses via liscense royalties is slipping away. Devs wont want to pay the costs associated with new development when the possibility of ROI is in a steepening decline. Lots of slow- to non-moving inventory for the sony platform also points to a dimming future. Perhaps, somehow, the ps3 can create some new attach, but its not terribly likely. A redesign, a-la the lite, using less moving parts for more battery life and higher durability is really the best (only?) bet to turn things around.

Really finally:
I own both. Had a psp since launch and its a really nice looking piece of hardware. And that's really what it does, sit there looking delicate and pretty. The new MGS game is good but doesnt really capture my attention and like most other psp games seems to miss what I want in a portable. My ds is used - constantly. It looks really good in a different way and the games are, frankly, a lot more fun.

Is the psp struggling? Yep, and its only going to get tougher.
 
Rash said:
1. Mario Kart DS - PORT
2. Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow - PORT
3. Advance Wars: Dual Strike - PORT
4. New Super Mario Bros. - PORT
8. Animal Crossing: PORT
9. Tetris DS - PORT
10. Super Mario 64 - PORT
12. Metroid Prime: Hunters - PORT
13. Tony Hawk's American Sk8land - PORT
17. Dragon Quest Heroes: PORT
18. Sonic Rush - PORT
22. Yoshi's Island DS - PORT
You my friend have no understanding of the word port do you?
 
Darakian said:
You my friend have no understanding of the word port do you?

Well I think he was mocking the double standard set by the original guy who listed a bunch of PSP games and marked them as ports. Either that, or neither of them understand what a port is:p
 
Entirely depends how deep you want to go into it... I mean is Soul Caliber on the xbox not a port of the PS2 version because there's another character? What's the limit? That argument aside, maybe original IP would have been better - but the point is that if you're playing essentially the same game but on another platform then it's a port.
 
Charles said:
Well I think he was mocking the double standard set by the original guy who listed a bunch of PSP games and marked them as ports. Either that, or neither of them understand what a port is:p
Ahhhh my bad.
 
You're talking about a difference of 1 character. I'm talking about this.

aznpxdd said:
All of Wipeout Pure's track are new, and it also has a couple of new modes/features that the consoles versions did not have, so it is still a port? Would you call Mario Kart 64 a port of Super Mario Kart? I mean, they share the same gameplay, but the N64 version comes with new features and tracks.

Basically, I don't think you know what a port is.
 
You know... this is the internet - we can have a different opinion without you being able to / needing to understand why! Besides that, as I have already said - I went on what the review I read said. Given I haven't played those games I'd have no other way to comment.
 
Psychotext said:
You know... this is the internet - we can have a different opinion without you being able to / needing to understand why! Besides that, as I have already said - I went on what the review I read said. Given I haven't played those games I'd have no other way to comment.

The problem lies in the fact that you're calling a game a port because it shares the same character and format. It's akin to calling Super Mario Bros. 3 a port of the original Super Mario Bros. because both games are side scrollers and the playable character is Mario.

It doesn't make sense. They're entirely different games.
 
just to point out, Dragon Quest 9 (you know, THE gaming franchise in Japan), has been confirmed for DS
 
Never bought a psp, never going to, but you can't deny that objectively it's successful.

Don't think so? Sure the DS and GBA even beat its pants off, but what handhelds in the history of the genre have sold as many as the psp. Gamegear, lynx, ngage...the sales of the psp relative to history are pretty darn good.
 
Martyr said:
First: dont start with that kiddy bullshit. just dont, you will be ignored by most of the people on this forum. people who find the need to talk down like that usually dont have any balls whatsoever.

Second: you know people with psp's, but done with any gameboy variant? you could just as soon say you know nobody with a cellphone

Third: You cannot compare the psp to a quality mp3 player, and certainly not a phone.

Stop being so defensive. In many circles, if you whip out Pokemon, you will be considered childish and/or dorky. Look at my handle, I speak from experience. If you don't like that fact (and I don't), then fine, but you don't need to swear.

I know people with cellphones, ipods, and other MP3 players. The PSP is also quite visible. However, gameboys are not popular with this audience (college students). Just stating what I've personally observed, don't swear at me.

I'm not saying the PSP is a better mp3 player than the ipod, a cellphone, or even a better game machine than the DS. The PSP is what it is; a tech toy with a strong gaming component.
 
Rocketpig said:
The problem lies in the fact that you're calling a game a port because it shares the same character and format. It's akin to calling Super Mario Bros. 3 a port of the original Super Mario Bros. because both games are side scrollers and the playable character is Mario.

It doesn't make sense. They're entirely different games.

Exactly. It's not even a difference of opinion, its just what you (psycho) are saying doesn't make sense. BTW, please form your own opinion, you're telling me you came up with that whole list of PSP games being ports without ever touching one of them?
 
Goddamnit, is it so hard to understand that I took what reviewers said and used it to form the list?

/done with this thread.
 
Holy crap. The amount of outright anger displayed by the ds fans in this thread honestly worries me...you guys realize this thread wasn't in any way an attack on nintendo, don't you?
 
Spaceman_Spiff said:
Holy crap. The amount of outright anger displayed by the ds fans in this thread honestly worries me...you guys realize this thread wasn't in any way an attack on nintendo, don't you?
Nintendo must die! Oops.. :eek:
 
Lord Nassirbannipal said:
No offense, but what does this have to do with the thread?
The PSP doesn't have it, hence will sell fewer systems.
Psychotext said:
Entirely depends how deep you want to go into it... I mean is Soul Caliber on the xbox not a port of the PS2 version because there's another character? What's the limit? That argument aside, maybe original IP would have been better - but the point is that if you're playing essentially the same game but on another platform then it's a port.
Essentially it is, since the three were released at the same time. But we're talking about ports for consoles made by the same company.
PikachuMan said:
Stop being so defensive. In many circles, if you whip out Pokemon, you will be considered childish and/or dorky. Look at my handle, I speak from experience. If you don't like that fact (and I don't), then fine, but you don't need to swear.

I know people with cellphones, ipods, and other MP3 players. The PSP is also quite visible. However, gameboys are not popular with this audience (college students). Just stating what I've personally observed, don't swear at me.

I'm not saying the PSP is a better mp3 player than the ipod, a cellphone, or even a better game machine than the DS. The PSP is what it is; a tech toy with a strong gaming component.
I play Pokemon and no one would dare say that shit to me. It's all how you carry yourself.

And the people who hold off buying a game console because of what their friends might think are an insignificant market.

Spaceman_Spiff said:
Holy crap. The amount of outright anger displayed by the ds fans in this thread honestly worries me...you guys realize this thread wasn't in any way an attack on nintendo, don't you?

I haven't seen anyone express unfounded loyalty for any system. This looks like a piss poor cop out from someone who's run out of ideas.
 
pr0pensity said:
The PSP doesn't have it, hence will sell fewer systems.


The PSP has been outselling everything in Japan except the DS Lite without DQ IX.

Now, had DQIX been announced for the PSP, and then cancelled and moved to the DS, then you'd definitely have a point, but that's not the case, and I don't think anyone ever had the notion that it was going to be released for the PSP, so it's not a factor.
 
pr0pensity said:
I haven't seen anyone express unfounded loyalty for any system. This looks like a piss poor cop out from someone who's run out of ideas.

Well, agree to disagree, because I'm certainly confident with my opinion after reading the direction this thread turned after someone suggested the psp had no good games and then I *gasp* refuted it with facts! This "someone who's run out of ideas" stands by his original post detailing comparable, arguably higher scores given to psp games than ds games. Nice try on the attack though. You're not worth arguing with.
 
Lord Nassirbannipal said:
The PSP has been outselling everything in Japan except the DS Lite without DQ IX.

Now, had DQIX been announced for the PSP, and then cancelled and moved to the DS, then you'd definitely have a point, but that's not the case, and I don't think anyone ever had the notion that it was going to be released for the PSP, so it's not a factor.
In a choice between the two systems, that game may be a factor.
 
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