4x4 Pics

mavalpha said:

Weird...
4x4 is supposed to be geared toward enthusiasts, and yet they've gone back to the 2-screw mounting design from 754/939/940. I thought everyone preferred the more secure clamps from AM2...?

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You mean the clamps that you have to SLAM DOWN with all your might to try to close, to the point where you are pretty sure you could be snapping your motherboard in half?

BillR said:

So you are saying that IBM is going to build a record setting computer using second rate parts. Very logical indeed. Your comment also applies to HP and Dreamworks as well. you might want to rethink your unthought post.

As for being a consumer there are over 20 PC’s in my house all bought and paid for by me. Two weeks ago a customer brought over his Dell 24” LCD to be properly calibrated. Once done he and I agreed things like Far Cry and HD movies were lifeless and dull. I showed him the same material on my Samsung 244t. The Dell went back that day and he is now the proud owner of a 244t.

As for sound cards in general, why would I want a sound card in my computer with all that electrical noise? I simply plug my PCM output into a pretty good surround system as I have yet to hear ANY computer speakers that can handle the dynamic range we deal with these days in movies and games.

On that note:

Please take your superiority complex back to the Intel forum, you will have friends there who will agree with you and make you feel better and certainly help make you more secure with your latest purchase.

There is simply no reason to drop in here to sell the AMD customers on what you believe we should be buying.

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I'm not here to sell anyone anything. I posted to correct some of the BS I saw. Last time I checked, that's forums were about.

IBM has always worked with Intel and even developed Summit for Xeons. Oh, its only one the first NUMA systems long before Athlon64 and MMC/IMC. It and its NEC twin carries multiple North bridges and Memory controllers and is very modular.

I'll tell you the same frackin' thing I told your buddy, there's no place on any forum for lies, half truths and FUD. No matter which side of the forum. Don't bring up the other side and there's no reason for the other side to post. Try it? Bash Intel with fact based comments and hell, I'll JOIN YOU! Make shit up, lie, spread FUD and you'll get corrected.

If you look at the AMD forum front page, this is the only danged thread I've posted in. If you want to post misinformation, not just your opinion, then you go to any AMD fan site like the AMDZone, AMDmotherboard or etc.. and do so. Please find AMD sympathetic web masters like Joel at Sudhian or etc.......LOL!

duby229 said:

The king of the fan boys has arrived.....

Those prices have been known for months now Donnie. At the same time its also been known for months now that those are just simply the intro products. Everything, including your precious Intel does the same thing. Look at the quad core prices they set. Same thing... Will they remain that high? No... Period. Deal with the facts donnie. And quit calling me a liar.

Like I said this thread is about 4x4, Not your precious Intel. If you cant stay on topic, then I'll have this thread closed.

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Then that makes you more dastardly than ever. You know the prices and lie out the wa-zoo to make your favorite look not as bad. "Priced from below 1000$ to above 1000$". Oh and I'll stop calling you a liar when you stop lying! Cute, just cute, "Eventually they will be priced as low as 500$." AMD hasn't even announced such a thing. "The king of the fan boys has arrived....." just being yourself uh?

brucedeluxe169 said:

dude, 4x4 is all about desktop high performance, not Lucas' render farms, custom Linux distros, and w/e nonsense you brought up....

Anyway, Core 2 has proven itself to be all around superior to the K8 architecture, and the Kentsfield has shown itself to scale wonderfully with the 2 added cores. Now please don't insult me and ask for benches... because anyone with a 1/2 a brain can google them. 4x4 is nothing more than a DP opteron system... and honestly, if one K8 X2 can't compare to a Conroe, two K8 X2s wont compare to Kentsfield....

anyone that thinks that 4x4 will be more power efficient, better price/performance, or just plain better performance than a Kentsfield on a desktop is delusional.


And yes, back to the base topic of the 4x4.... I will give you guys one thing: motherboards bought that support it will definately have a long lifespan. With K8Ls being backward compatible with 4x4 boards, the potential to have 8 cores based on a next gen arch is very awesome. I honestly don't think going 8 core will be as easy to obtain on an Intel setup since they will probably stick with one socket (with good reason, since that FSB *is* still there after all). So yea, until Nehalem or w/e chip brings the CSI comes out, AMD will be the only 8 core game in town.

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QFT!

I'll add one tiny thing though. There are Xeon boards with two sockets and Two FSBs. They only lack the PCI-E support. Far too few lanes.

Ok... let's cut through all the bullshit here. Let's look at the features of this platform:

1) Dual CPUs - Ok, this is nothing new for starters. It's nice for multi-tasking (marginally better), encoding (does this very well), and saving on your heating bill in the winter. Really... unless they get the wattage down to <80 watts per CPU then it's just too hot IMHO. I'm actually building a DP system myself, though I'm using 40 watt Woodcrests since there is no way in hell I would ever run dual 100 watt CPUs.

2) Non Registered / Non ECC memory - Yes... this is great for people who are JUST about the e-pen0s status and want to have a DP system without forking over the cash (not much more BTW) for better, more redundant memory. I recall hearing that you will get an error 1 in 750 memory writes (I may be wrong on that).... and with this platform you WILL NOT get that extra security/piece of mind against that. For me if the system is going to do anything other than gaming then ECC memory is at a MIN for me.

3) Quad SLI - Yea... this one cracks me up. In it's current form SLI is overkill... even more so when you combine the latest and greatest 8800 series cards. Now... cards are only going to get better and better... meaning 2 card SLI is only going to get better and better. Really... how many people do you think are going to run 4 8800's in a DP system that requires a 2k watt PSU?

Ok... so the bottom line is that this platform DOES NOT appeal to anybody but the "enthusiast" market.... and even then I doubt they'll have the cash to configure it in all it's glory. My guess is that if you look at the performance figures compared to Kentsfield they won't be that far off. Now.. this is assuming that they run desktop benchmarks and not server benchmarks. If they try and use server benchmarks they are full of it. This is marketed as a competitor for Kentsfield... a desktop CPU.

Poncho said:

Ok... let's cut through all the bullshit here. Let's look at the features of this platform:

1) Dual CPUs - Ok, this is nothing new for starters. It's nice for multi-tasking (marginally better), encoding (does this very well), and saving on your heating bill in the winter. Really... unless they get the wattage down to <80 watts per CPU then it's just too hot IMHO. I'm actually building a DP system myself, though I'm using 40 watt Woodcrests since there is no way in hell I would ever run dual 100 watt CPUs.

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You are paying for top of the line chipsets and performance. And uh.. AMD's chips are the ones that run cooler. I dont know if you've noticed that.. My fx-62 is running at 30 on air cooling right now.

2) Non Registered / Non ECC memory - Yes... this is great for people who are JUST about the e-pen0s status and want to have a DP system without forking over the cash (not much more BTW) for better, more redundant memory. I recall hearing that you will get an error 1 in 750 memory writes (I may be wrong on that).... and with this platform you WILL NOT get that extra security/piece of mind against that. For me if the system is going to do anything other than gaming then ECC memory is at a MIN for me.

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How is crappier memory considered "great for people who are all about e-penis's"?? Uh.. I would think the exact opposite... I would say your wrong regarding getting errors if your RAM isnt registered and ECC..

3) Quad SLI - Yea... this one cracks me up. In it's current form SLI is overkill... even more so when you combine the latest and greatest 8800 series cards. Now... cards are only going to get better and better... meaning 2 card SLI is only going to get better and better. Really... how many people do you think are going to run 4 8800's in a DP system that requires a 2k watt PSU?

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Quad SLI is going to be great for newer games coming out, and for those that want more frames in current games. Oblivion is my example for this. And for higher resolutions, Quad SLI is almost needed. Specially based upon the number of people that have been buying 40+ inch LCD's for their computers..

Ok... so the bottom line is that this platform DOES NOT appeal to anybody but the "enthusiast" market.... and even then I doubt they'll have the cash to configure it in all it's glory. My guess is that if you look at the performance figures compared to Kentsfield they won't be that far off. Now.. this is assuming that they run desktop benchmarks and not server benchmarks. If they try and use server benchmarks they are full of it. This is marketed as a competitor for Kentsfield... a desktop CPU.

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FX series chips are desktop CPU's. I'm not sure how they will related to kentsfields. Personally, I think the Kentsfields will out perform 4x4. However, 4x4 is a great improvement for those of us AMD users who are waiting for quad fathers..