Dell 2007WFP How Are They Now?

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DasFox

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Well truth is if this is still a S-IPS panel then at $339 this is a pretty hard deal to beat.

I heard some people say they are now PVA panels.

I also heard there where some banding issues with them, beyond that I don't know if there has been anything else.

Truth is I'm not a Dell fan in any way, and have really had my eyes on a NEC 19" that is also a S-IPS panel, but it's not wide screen and just as expensive.

Right now is $339 the best deal one of these can be had for?

ALOHA
 
I got mine last week here in Sweden. It's revision A03 (a brand new revision) and I seem to have gotten an S-IPS as you can see in the thread about the panel lottery. For this new revision they started using internal codes for the panels inte the service menu.

I experiance no visible banding. Only tried by drawing a quick gradient in Photoshop. This only applies to Desktop mode (there are three image modes) but doesn't matter as there is really no reason to switch mode. I love my monitor.

The moderator on the dell forum has said that you are allowed to exchange your monitor until you get an S-IPS if you want. That is the only way to make sure to get the S-IPS. Though haven't heard of a P-MVA with the new revision. The new revision seems to be available only Europe and maybe Asia at the moment I think. Don't take my word on that though. :D
 
Thanks, now I have heard many people over and over again say the same thing, "You might have to pay for shipping back".

There seems to be some type of consensus floating around that you can get out of shipping, possibly? What by claiming you have a defect and Dell flips the bill to reutn it?

ALOHA
 
I couldn't resist the price and I recieved delivery of one on the 17th...S-IPS, no dead or stuck pixels, no banding in DVI/Desktop mode. (still some in multimedia and gaming modes) I love the highly adjustable stand and extra inputs/usb ports...but I'm going to send it back before the 21 days are up. The horrible dirty water-fine mesh anti-glare screen coating drives me nuts even though I've tried to get used to it the past 2 days. :(
 
joemama said:
I The horrible dirty water-fine mesh anti-glare screen coating drives me nuts even though I've tried to get used to it the past 2 days. :(
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is that the sparkling/shimmering effect you see when viewing slightly from sides or up/down?
 
I ordered a 2007WFP on Oct 15th for $339. Got it TODAY.

Its S-IPS. No stuck or dead pixels (that I have found anyway)

Downside is I need widescreen wallpaper now.
 
dano1122 said:
is that the sparkling/shimmering effect you see when viewing slightly from sides or up/down?
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No, it's the anti-glare screen coating that Dell uses...it makes the screen look dirty all the time and slightly diffuses the colors/sharpness of on-screen graphics and text. It's no worse than any other anti-glare treatment I've seen however..
 
joemama said:
No, it's the anti-glare screen coating that Dell uses...it makes the screen look dirty all the time and slightly diffuses the colors/sharpness of on-screen graphics and text. It's no worse than any other anti-glare treatment I've seen however..
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Hmm that makes me think twice about this.

Anyhow this LCD will eventually be my work rigs monitor. What really caught my eye is the 30" Samsung is bringing out Nov.

http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20061010_0000293416

ALOHA
 
DasFox said:
Hmm that makes me think twice about this.

Anyhow this LCD will eventually be my work rigs monitor. What really caught my eye is the 30" Samsung is bringing out Nov.

http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20061010_0000293416

ALOHA
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If you have used other anti-glare lcd panels without issue then this one won't bother you either...I've always been bothered by that type coating since my first lcd to the latest Dell and everything inbetween not counting my glossy panel Acer F-20.
 
Mine is an A02 - the first one I got the courier dropped outside my house (LMAO)

The 2nd one is a bit earlier but updated to A02 and has no banding:


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I love it :D
 
dano1122 said:
is that the sparkling/shimmering effect you see when viewing slightly from sides or up/down?
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That's the IPS effect that exists on all IPS panels not just the Dell :)
 
joemama said:
The horrible dirty water-fine mesh anti-glare screen coating drives me nuts even though I've tried to get used to it the past 2 days. :(
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This is something I've seen on the following mons:

Gateway 21 w/ hdcp
Viewsonic 2012
Viewsonic 2025
Samsung 204
Samsung 205BW

and the Dell 2007 I'm looking at right now. It's of varying degrees on all of them. I don't remember seeing this at all on an older Samsung 712N and I'm ready to give up. Even the $600 NEC @ Fry's showed this...tho it was connected VGA. Are there any 20 wides that don't have this problem? I loathe it!!!

EDIT: Joe, I see you enjoy the Acer, eh?
 
Jodiuh said:
This is something I've seen on the following mons:

Gateway 21 w/ hdcp
Viewsonic 2012
Viewsonic 2025
Samsung 204
Samsung 205BW

and the Dell 2007 I'm looking at right now. It's of varying degrees on all of them. I don't remember seeing this at all on an older Samsung 712N and I'm ready to give up. Even the $600 NEC @ Fry's showed this...tho it was connected VGA. Are there any 20 wides that don't have this problem? I loathe it!!!

EDIT: Joe, I see you enjoy the Acer, eh?
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Yes I do enjoy the F-20..the "crystalbrite" screen coating makes all the difference. Btw...the NEC you looked at, was it the 20WMGX2? That model has a similar glossy coating to the Acer..
 
Yup, same one. The SDE on this Dell's not quite as bad as the other's, but it's still nagging me a bit.

I'm playing with color, gamma, etc and having a hell of a time with all the little utilitites out there. Anything simple like THX test for dvd's, lol!?
 
wait, are you kidding me? everything up through the NEC has that anti-glare coating. if you concentrate on it, especially on a white background, it seems like you are looking through a fine plasticy mesh screen. it's definetly annoying.
 
dano1122 said:
...that anti-glare coating. if you concentrate on it, especially on a white background, it seems like you are looking through a fine plasticy mesh screen. it's definetly annoying.
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And can you believe that some folks "can't" see this thing? I'm looking at it right now in the reply screen and it looks like there's an arrangement of perfectly symmetrical dust balls...that sparkle. It's just rotten.

I'll have the Sceptre 20 Glossy screen tomorrow and let you guys know how that goes. Specs are similar to an S-IPS panel...pray for me!
 
I had a 2005 FPW and just got a replacement because I'm getting some weird clouding issues. Do you guys think they'll send me the 2007 or the E207 and what's the difference?
 
Attean said:
I had a 2005 FPW and just got a replacement because I'm getting some weird clouding issues. Do you guys think they'll send me the 2007 or the E207 and what's the difference?
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The E207 is a value model. The LCD panel is reportedly the same, but there is no USB hub built into the display, and I'm not sure that the E207 offers height adjustment either.

If you had a 2005FPW, I would guess you'll get either a repaired 2005FPW or a new 2007FPW.
 
LoneWolf said:
The LCD panel is reportedly the same...
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The 207 has less viewing angle and faster response time. Doesn't sound like S-IPS to me.

And speaking of, the 2007WFP has got the most consistent black detail I've seen in about 5-6 panels. Let me show you what I mean. Look at the black level in the 120MM CPU fan in these shots.

Gateway FPD2185W Straight on VS Angle
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Dell 2007WFP Straight on VS Angle
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Gateway FPD2185W same picture, different locales
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Dell 2007WFP same picture, different locales
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I had 3 GW's that were all the same. How on earth the Gateway won all kinds of awards, I'll never know.
 
Would the S-PVA panels be better for gaming over the S-IPS panels? I have absolutely no care for viewing angles.
 
DarkfallFan said:
Would the S-PVA panels be better for gaming over the S-IPS panels? I have absolutely no care for viewing angles.
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I believe there is no correct answer to that question. I'm sure either or, will suit your gaming needs.
 
DarkfallFan said:
Would the S-PVA panels be better for gaming over the S-IPS panels? I have absolutely no care for viewing angles.
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I believe this is the order for pure gaming (not counting color accuracy/viewing angles)
1. TN (most 19" and below, most 22")
2. AS-IPS (like the NEC 20WMGX2)
3. P-MVA (Viewsonic VX2025WM and others)
4. S-IPS (Dell 2007FPW and others)
5. S-PVA (most 24" panels and some 19" Dells)

The last three are pretty close together as far as speed goes and in the real world there isn't a huge gap between any of them.
 
Does anybody have a problem with their 2007 where the right half of it has more of a red push than the left?
And this is what it looks like...it's not the camera.





I hoping it's just mine because I'm getting a bit pissed off with Dell.
 
Jodiuh said:
And speaking of, the 2007WFP has got the most consistent black detail I've seen in about 5-6 panels. Let me show you what I mean. Look at the black level in the 120MM CPU fan in these shots.

Gateway FPD2185W same picture, different locales
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/jodiuh/IMG_0377.jpg

Dell 2007WFP same picture, different locales
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/jodiuh/Monitors/IMG_1337.jpg

I had 3 GW's that were all the same. How on earth the Gateway won all kinds of awards, I'll never know.
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Those are perfect examples of the problem with VA screens. This point escapes most people. Viewing angle issues are a problem even when you are sitting straight behind the center of the monitor. You Dell has an IPS screen and that is why it doesn't shift like the gateway.
 
Yeah, I'm having a hard time deciding between this new Sceptre X20C-Gamer and the Dell. I've got another week before 21 days are up on the Dell. The panel's SOO consistent and it makes me smile. But the SDE's awful when looking at a white screen. The Sceptre's glossy, so you don't have that problem. The Sceptre also seems to be "sharpening" text too much, so it appears harder to read. If I could just have a glossy panel on the Dell...
 
Jodiuh said:
Yeah, I'm having a hard time deciding between this new Sceptre X20C-Gamer and the Dell. I've got another week before 21 days are up on the Dell. The panel's SOO consistent and it makes me smile. But the SDE's awful when looking at a white screen. The Sceptre's glossy, so you don't have that problem. The Sceptre also seems to be "sharpening" text too much, so it appears harder to read. If I could just have a glossy panel on the Dell...
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I had a similar dilemma with a 2007FPW I got last week vs my 8 month old Acer F-20. I loved the adjustable stand and many options available in the osd.. .especially the aspect ratios. The biggest thing was that the panel was perfect and I couldn't find a single dead pixel using dead pixel buddy and banding was gone in desktop mode. Sadly, just like you I cannot stand the horrible anti-glare coating on these things. I tried really hard for several days to get used to it but then I noticed I was getting headaches after extended use. Needless to say I switched back to my F-20 with it's wonderfully clear screen and PQ that is just as good if not better than the Dell.
 
Does the text on your Acer appear "sharpened" a bit too much?
 
Jodiuh said:
Does the text on your Acer appear "sharpened" a bit too much?
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I don't think so...what do you mean? It is different than looking at an anti-glare screen because the AG coating does the same kind of diffusion for external or internal light. I guess it does look sharper in that respect..
 
It's especially noticeable with black text on white background. The text has sort of a "bling" or "shine" to it. I've seen it before on a tv if you bring the sharpness up to high. It seems to thin the letters and make them slightly harder to read.

As you can tell, I'm having a helluva time deciding between the two. On the one hand, the Sceptre doesn't have the fuzzy, dirty panel coating from anti glare. But by the same token, the letters appear thinner and "sparkly". Overall the fit and finish of the Dell far exceeds the Sceptre, but that's to be expected with a monitor costing $100 or more.

What to do...what to do... :confused:
 
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Just look at that white uniform colour at that extreme angle of view, if it's not reason enough then I don't know what it :) look at how neutral yet crisp the display is too!


This Dell is just so easy on the eyes it's unbelievable :)

It's also excellent for photo editing.
 
the dell is perfect except the fracking anti-glare coating which is not a deal breaker but which i could do without. look closely, you can't miss it, it puts an odd mesh on the whole picture, very visible on a white background.

i'd go for the acer f-20 if it weren't ferrari themed and had portrait mode
i'd go for the nec 20wgxm if it weren't nasty grey bezzled and had portrait mode

the dell has portrait, which is huge for me, i love it for websites
 
Jodiuh said:
It's especially noticeable with black text on white background. The text has sort of a "bling" or "shine" to it. I've seen it before on a tv if you bring the sharpness up to high. It seems to thin the letters and make them slightly harder to read.
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He probably doesn't have the text issue because he has an IPS screen(Acer F20). Your Sceptre is likely MVA screen that doesn't have great viewing angles. A little known side effect of poor viewing angles is that each eye sees a slightly different luminance, your brain interprets as an edge, kind of false 3d edge enhancement, glare etc... It drove me nuts on my PVA screen.

My advice either keep the Dell, or get rid of both the Dell and Sceptre and get the Acer F20, or Nec wm20gx2
 
I won't spend $600 on a monitor. The Acer's red...isn't there another Acer with the same panel/glossy that doesn't have the bling?

EDIT: Xbit just took a look at the Acer F-20 amongst a bunch of 20's. They claim it's an MVA. According to their findings the AL2032WA's using the same panel and only differs in styling, tuner, and remote.
 
I just hooked up my Dell 2007WFP last night and am AMAZED. This is the best monitor I have ever purchased. Also, I ordered the screen Monday evening around 11PM EST and got it Thursday around 1-2PM. WOW that shipped fast.
 
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