Window Vista & Core 2 Duo

gorilla show said:
$200 is reasonable. And I like the way Vista is shaping up :) .
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I am going to get it because I am tired of looking at XP. I've been working with the same damned OS since XP was a beta OS. That was half a decade ago or something like that.
 
Lyquist said:
Yes, they will be crippling pirated copies the last I heard. I'm all for that.
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I like not having a choice in some things. Its harder to do the right thing if you have an easy way around it. If there's no other way, then its much easier to go straight.

That said, I've never actually pirated Windows, that's just my opinion on such things.

Dan_D said:
You can perform upgrade installations with OEM copies, but there are no upgrade copies that can be purchased even cheaper as far as I know. OEM copies though are full versions intended to be purchased with the purpose of being used on a new PC. OEM copies generally have to be purchased with hardware in order to fullfil the licensing agreement for the OS.

You can actually purchase an OEM copy of Windows to go along with your $3 mouse if that's what you want to do.
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Is an OEM copy cheaper than the upgrade version?
 
xFlankerx said:
I like not having a choice in some things. Its harder to do the right thing if you have an easy way around it. If there's no other way, then its much easier to go straight.

That said, I've never actually pirated Windows, that's just my opinion on such things.



Is an OEM copy cheaper than the upgrade version?
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Yes they are cheaper than the upgrade versions. XP Home is around $60-$80 and Pro is around $120 I think. Windows XP Professional x64 Edition is the most expensive at $130-$140ish.
 
heh, think we all would have learned by now, I am not touching Vista till after SP1.
 
Dan_D said:
Yes they are cheaper than the upgrade versions. XP Home is around $60-$80 and Pro is around $120 I think. Windows XP Professional x64 Edition is the most expensive at $130-$140ish.
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But don't you have to buy a new PC or motherboard or cpu set to be able to legally purchase the OEM version?

Otherwise, purchasing it by itself is against their policy?
 
smilepak said:
But don't you have to buy a new PC or motherboard or cpu set to be able to legally purchase the OEM version?

Otherwise, purchasing it by itself is against their policy?
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Yes, but some places try to get around this by selling it with a fan, or a cable, etc.
 
hmm....now this put a hamper on the situation....

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+limits+Vista+transfers/2100-1016_3-6126379.html?tag=cd.hed

Under changes to Microsoft's licensing terms, buyers of retail copies of Vista will be able to transfer their software to a new machine only once. If they want to move their software a second time, they will have to buy a new copy of the operating system.

In the past, those who bought a retail copy of Windows needed to uninstall it from any machine before moving it to another machine, but there was no limit to how many times this could be done.
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smilepak said:
But don't you have to buy a new PC or motherboard or cpu set to be able to legally purchase the OEM version?

Otherwise, purchasing it by itself is against their policy?
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No it does not. I have gone over this with a Microsoft rep semi-recently. The fact of the matter is they will let you purchase it with anything. A mouse or keyboard or whatever.

The deal is that once it is installed on a computer, then that copy officially goes with the motherboard. So legally, if you sell the motherboard, the OS must go with it. Microsoft makes exceptions to this rule in reference to warranty replacements for like motherboards or in the case that a like motherboard isn't available, a new board of different make snd model will do.
 
smilepak said:
But don't you have to buy a new PC or motherboard or cpu set to be able to legally purchase the OEM version?

Otherwise, purchasing it by itself is against their policy?
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A motherboard, hard drive or CPU I think technically qualify, but Microsoft doesn't really care. But an OEM copy must be purchased with hardware only.
 
I thought you could get an upgrade version of Vista Home at the usual upgrade price of $99. Where are you guys pulling the number $400 from? :eek:
 
Dan_D said:
It is because people don't understand that there are cheaper and completely legal ways to buy software than going to a retail store. People will do more research on microwave ovens than they will on what products they purchase for their computer. Even though Windows costs a considerable amount more than their microwaves usually will.

I actually think that the huge gap between retail and OEM pricing is absurd. I understand the actual differences in the licensing between the two, and I think you should pay more for the retail versions, but not 2-2.5x more.
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The Reg

Between these two extremes lies Vista Business priced at $299, or $199 to upgrade, and Vista Home Premium at $239, or $159. Vista Enterprise is only available to large organizations from OEMs, so there is no recommend retail pricing.
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A site called "Living without MS" lists.
Windows Vista Home Basic: $199
Windows Vista Home Premium: $239
Windows Vista Business: $299
Windows Vista Ultimate: $399

Then there are news sites showing these prices. C|Net News.com

Pricing for full retail versions of the software will be;
Windows Vista Ultimate, $399
Windows Vista Business, $299
Windows Vista Home Premium $239
Windows Vista Home Basic, $199.

Upgrades from Windows XP are priced at;
Windows Vista Ultimate, $259
Windows Vista Business, $199
Windows Vista Home Premium, $159
Windows Vista Home Basic, $99.

I know someone said don't complain but Duh-Amm! It should have been $30 increments with the lowest upgrade starting at $89 then go $119 or even $125, $149 to $159 and then $189 to $199 for the UE version. IMHO, UE upgrade should sell for $169 maybe?
 
Those are the same prices XP cost when it came out: $99/$199 for Home/Upgrade, and $199/$299 for Pro/Upgrade. Why is Vista suddenly so expensive? MS hasn't raised the prices of anything.
 
I'm wondering if there will be a hassle with MS with formating and installing Vista over and over again. Might be wrong but I thought I saw something somewhere that you could only use that license once. Something to that effect. Also wondering if there will be counter measures to making an image of our Vista install.
 
All in all there is neat stuff in Vista (eye candy, performance and maintenance tools and supposed better compatibility with hardware due to driver signing) but I really don't know why people will want to upgrade from a now relatively stable XP to something new. File and folder permissions are a nightmare, networking with XP machines is a nightmare, driver support will be very bad for some time to come. Security won't in fact be in any better because most people will turn off UAC and run as the hidden administrator to get around all the permissions problems.

Lots of software knocks Aero off, so if it's the eye candy you like (I do like it) then you're in for a surprise. I think the voice reognition software is neat too, it works for quite a number of tasks.

I'm just curious really what good reasons there are for updating.
 
smilepak said:
But don't you have to buy a new PC or motherboard or cpu set to be able to legally purchase the OEM version?

Otherwise, purchasing it by itself is against their policy?
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Motherboards qualify; so do hard drives. In fact, an awful lot of system parts qualify (amusingly, graphics and audio cards do NOT). The term used in the OEM Licensing Agreement is *computer hardware*. But, as I pointed out, hard drives count. So, as long as you buy a new motherboard or hard drive on the same invoice, picking up an OEM copy of Windows Vista at the local computer show is, in fact, *legal*.

This is, actually, critical for Microsoft as a company for a surprisingly sensible reason: unlike Apple, Microsoft is *not* a complete-system company. Also, unlike the Mac market, a surprsingly large number of systems are *not* built by the largest of PC OEMs (such as Dell or HP). In fact, more systems are built by OEMs comprising five people or less than the total number of Macs Apple will sell this year.

Are there single-person OEM builders? Of course. In fact, where would (H) be without them? And it is largely these OEMs that are the seed-corn of Microsoft and its partners; this is a fact that Microsoft is well aware of.
 
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