Top 10 worst things about BF2142

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This guy has hit the nail on the head with a lot of these points.

http://www.desinc.net/bf2142_review

I am totaly dumbfounded how a large company can make design desicions that do things like give a Green/Orange/Red indicator for Ping where anything below 100ms is Green, even if they were forced at gunpoint to use this system (which they're not) then the very LEAST they could do is make the numbers more sensible, like 0ms-30ms = green 31ms-60ms = Orange 61+ms = Red

The fact that you can't refresh a single server (in a list of multiple servers) still, I should really highlight the word STILL as much as possible because these are problems dating back to BF1942.

Dice has this amazing and quite profound ability to make a fantastic game like BF1942 or BF2 and then put in these mind boggling stupid game dynamics which just makes absolutly ZERO sense whatsoever.

anyways... <3
 
BF2142 sucks balls thats why. No reason to buy anymore DICE/EA games IMO, its best to wait for Splash Damage to release Quake Wars and for THQ to release Frontlines: Fuel of War.
 
This forum seriously has major EA/Dice hate issues. There are just as many and equally poor decicison making sub standarded game making done by just as good/big game studios, yet you don't see nearly the kind of trolling DICE gets.
 
pistola said:
This forum seriously has major EA/Dice hate issues. There are just as many and equally poor decicison making sub standarded game making done by just as good/big game studios, yet you don't see nearly the kind of trolling DICE gets.
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You're right, those games suck so bad they don't even get the honor of having threads made about them. They just fade into non-existance.
 
pistola said:
This forum seriously has major EA/Dice hate issues. There are just as many and equally poor decicison making sub standarded game making done by just as good/big game studios, yet you don't see nearly the kind of trolling DICE gets.
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well i agree, there've been abt 5 ea/dice hate threads, but meh i really do think they went down the drain BF2 onwards
 
Well, there are things about the BF series that suck. I'll be the first to point them out, but the game is still enjoyable and a lot of fun.

The game is FUN. Not perfect, not a technical masterpiece but FUN. Most games that are technical masterpieces with little to no issues have a hard time being FUN. We are lucky that EA and Dice managed to at least get that right. Because out of all the difficulties in producing a game making a game that is actually fun that people want to play is harder than anything else they could possibly have to do. So while they may have missed the boat on some technical issues, at least the BF series is FUN. Most game developers would do well to learn from that example.

That in no way means that EA and DICE should be excused for the crappy work they've done, or all their excuses over the last couple of years or the fact they said "BF2 can't be fixed."
 
Ok, I just read this... "review" (of a demo) and:

#1) Who the hell is this guy and why do I care what he says?

#2) This is the funniest crap I've read all day. :D
 
phobic said:
Ok, I just read this... "review" (of a demo) and:

#1) Who the hell is this guy and why do I care what he says?

#2) This is the funniest crap I've read all day. :D
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#1) I don't know either, and you shouldn't.

#2) He's got some valid points, but I still enjoy the game.
 
I think theres 2 main reasons why EA/Dice get a lot of hate, and I don't think that it's because people just dislike them, I think if any company fits the same kind of criteria they will get the same amount of hate.

1) The mistakes made are not just made and forgotten about, rather there is an active, albeit slow attempt to fix the problems, however the problems are made consistantly worse. There's only one thing worse than a buggy game and thats a buggy game in which the devs release patches for which further break/ruin the game, especially if you're waiting 3-4 months at a time and it comes out and it's totaly rubbish.

2) BF1942 and BF2 were both outstanding games in their own ways, the bugs destroy an othewise awesome game, which just compounds frustration.

Solution: remove the entire thing. Recode. Use brain.
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Yeah this made me laugh, but it shouldn't really, because it's really as if they didn't use any cognative thought the first time around, how can such basic mistakes be made and get past play testing is totaly beyond me.
 
Dan_D said:
Well, there are things about the BF series that suck. I'll be the first to point them out, but the game is still enjoyable and a lot of fun.

The game is FUN. Not perfect, not a technical masterpiece but FUN. Most games that are technical masterpieces with little to no issues have a hard time being FUN. We are lucky that EA and Dice managed to at least get that right. Because out of all the difficulties in producing a game making a game that is actually fun that people want to play is harder than anything else they could possibly have to do. So while they may have missed the boat on some technical issues, at least the BF series is FUN. Most game developers would do well to learn from that example.

That in no way means that EA and DICE should be excused for the crappy work they've done, or all their excuses over the last couple of years or the fact they said "BF2 can't be fixed."
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Totally agree. I still think BFV was the best one so far because it was the most fun. It was stupid at times, often tacky, but playing it was always a good laugh.

BF2 brought a whole new level of slickness to the series. Seriously. There may be bugs, but for me there were few and far between and overall it was a massive overhaul to the series. No longer was changing between guns a laggy and sluggish affair.

However, from what I've seen so far of 2142, it just doesn't seem to capture any sense of fun gameplay. The infranty combat is so frustringly poor. Fuck knows how they screwed it up having really made it good for BF2. The gun accuracy being made worse is so annoying. I like my games to be about skill. If I have a shootout with another guy and he wins I want it to be because he was better, not because my gun accuracy 'randomly' let me down.
 
some good point about the games mechanics

but the design is something people could hate or love ...
 
Frosteh said:
This guy has hit the nail on the head with a lot of these points.

http://www.desinc.net/bf2142_review

I am totaly dumbfounded how a large company can make design desicions that do things like give a Green/Orange/Red indicator for Ping where anything below 100ms is Green, even if they were forced at gunpoint to use this system (which they're not) then the very LEAST they could do is make the numbers more sensible, like 0ms-30ms = green 31ms-60ms = Orange 61+ms = Red
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I beg to differ.... 61ms = red?! Even with a fast connection over 2/3 of the servers would easily be red. I think their preset values make a lot more sense then yours...
 
Erasmus354 said:
I beg to differ.... 61ms = red?! Even with a fast connection over 2/3 of the servers would easily be red. I think their preset values make a lot more sense then yours...
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Maybe but 100ms=Green? No way.
 
Erasmus354 said:
I beg to differ.... 61ms = red?! Even with a fast connection over 2/3 of the servers would easily be red. I think their preset values make a lot more sense then yours...
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But not as much sense as numbers.
 
Erasmus354 said:
I beg to differ.... 61ms = red?! Even with a fast connection over 2/3 of the servers would easily be red. I think their preset values make a lot more sense then yours...
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Most good broadband connections should have pings as low as 25ms to local servers, I get pings of around 14ms to good 100tick CS:S servers. My pings to BF2142 servers in the demo were around 20-40 ms

If you're getting much above 40ms then either you have a very bad ISP, you're connecting to a server quite far away from yourself or you're using so much bandwidth you're getting bandwidth throtteling issues in game.

If you're getting anything over 60ms with a broadband connection then you've got problems...

Even a good, well set up 56k dial up connection can get pings of 120ms.
 
The guy's a self-gratifying, opinionated dildo. I was agreeing with him up until, well... the end of the first point.

#2 - no, we wouldn't. We were all meant to be in fucking hovercars and living in space by the year 2000. Shut up.

#3 - today we still use weapons that are over 40 years old, or based on these designs. Look at weapons being designed today, the very cutting edge - they're still bullet & hammer jobs, no fucking lasers. They get introduced into use in say 10 years? that makes 2016, another 40 years on we're still using them, another ten to that... stupid person. It's a single century, for christ's sake. Laser weapons? Pfft. Shut up.

#4 - just absolute nonsense. It's a game, it's made for people to play, not a fucking space simulation with all hands on virtual deck, you penis. And the titans looking different? What, you can't differentiate between massive, glowing red fields of energy and massive glowing blue fields of enegry? Shut up.

#5 - so you don't like the way the game was designed. Fair play. However, the missiles do lock on, and people can kill you when in stationary defenses because you're a clueless tool that'll stand there and let them, apparently - it's the only way they could, those things are so awful. And there is a fucking infantry anti-aircraft weapon. Shut up.

#6 - agreed.

#7 - agreed, but all the green-barred servers i've joined have worked fabulous, so no great problem there.

#8 - what...?

#9 - don't be stupid. you may as well use wallhacks or whatever. It is a game, and as such it is Designed a certain way for a Purpose. He's clearly trying very hard to look for more points to make up a nice round number like 10. Shut up, silly child.

#10 - ha.

Well, that was appalling. I'm really sorry for all of you that agree with this for not being able to try the unlocks or playing on shitty servers, but i'm off to have a fantastic time being a space pirate and exploding enemy ships and running off as it explodes, all cinematic-like.

Yeah, I work for EA no doubt, etc.
Try getting a clue.
 
Frosteh said:
Most good broadband connections should have pings as low as 25ms to local servers, I get pings of around 14ms to good 100tick CS:S servers. My pings to BF2142 servers in the demo were around 20-40 ms

If you're getting much above 40ms then either you have a very bad ISP, you're connecting to a server quite far away from yourself or you're using so much bandwidth you're getting bandwidth throtteling issues in game.

If you're getting anything over 60ms with a broadband connection then you've got problems...

Even a good, well set up 56k dial up connection can get pings of 120ms.
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iplay cs:s from central america off a T1 and average around 100ms, i dont lag, so for me 100ms is fine..

it is not until you start to get up around 150+ that you notice any lag. sure someone with sub 100ms pings is that much faster then you, but when i am kicking peopl's asses with lower pings, i am clearly not lagging.

Perhaps with 2142 100ms causes no lag and this is how they are measuring the game, 100ms is still a dam fast connection to a server and if no data is lost and no lag is occuring... then why isnt it "green"
 
I can't even get the fucking game to launch cause the fucking servers won't respond to my login requests!!! Hell, I even tried to make a NEW fucking account and EA's servers won't respond at all! Wow...just wow....


Sorry EA, but your dead to me now. I"ll go back to playing FEAR and my 360.
 
MrGuvernment said:
iplay cs:s from central america off a T1 and average around 100ms, i dont lag, so for me 100ms is fine..

it is not until you start to get up around 150+ that you notice any lag. sure someone with sub 100ms pings is that much faster then you, but when i am kicking peopl's asses with lower pings, i am clearly not lagging.

Perhaps with 2142 100ms causes no lag and this is how they are measuring the game, 100ms is still a dam fast connection to a server and if no data is lost and no lag is occuring... then why isnt it "green"
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Can you please define "lag" in the way you're using it.

I was under the impression that lag was just high latency, most modern broadband connections should get no more than 30ms to a server on a clean line, if you're getting 100-150ms then you're playing a fair old while behind everyone else.

In CS or CSS 150ms is a LOT, it's enough to give a good player the edge he needs to wipe out another good player.

It's a simple fact that a lot of BF1942, BF2 and BF2142 servers just aren't spec'd up high enough to give a decent ping on them, I've played on soem really well pinging clan servers running approx 32 players, but they're quite rare. pings on them can be very low indeed.

i can't imagine Dice streaming video ad's to your computer while you're playing is going to help matters much :/
 
For me lag is when you say, see someone, then they skip ahead a few feet.

or you fire your gun, and it literally takes 1+ seconds to see it hit something, or you unload a clip into someone and nothing hits them, then they shoot you once and your dead.

And yes, for sure, the lower your ping, the better chance

Someone witha 25ms ping, vs my 100ms is technically 4x faster then i am, which can be the result of me turning a corner, them hearing me, but me not hearinf them until they have shot already knowing i am coming, it happens now and then, this is why often people with higher pings learn to shot just before turning a corner, and then often the dead person screams your a hacker! you wall hack!

When i was in toront and playing cs:s on my uncles cable, with a sub 30ms ping, i played awsome, so the ping can affect ones skill level considerably.

As you stated, many server try to run a game too hard, they dont have the capacity to run say a 32man 100tic server

our squads servers [xXx] have toyed with 100 and 66, we can do a 40man 66 tic no problems, if we go to 100 tic,got to drop it to 32 or less.

i often test lag by blowing up a barrel, or shooting a box that will destruct, if the result is instant - your not lagging.
 
Dan_D said:
Most games that are technical masterpieces with little to no issues have a hard time being FUN.
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I'm sorry but that is the worst statement ever...
HL2, FarCry, HL1, Mario, Zelda, Quake I can go on and on.

I'll fix it for you

"Most games that attempt to be technical masterpieces usually end up being bug ridden, revamped piles of puke and are extremely not fun."

I would say that the ones that do manage to become technical masterpieces, only got there because of the fact that they have so few flaws and are extremely fun to play.
 
flboad said:
I'm sorry but that is the worst statement ever...
HL2, FarCry, HL1, Mario, Zelda, Quake I can go on and on.

I'll fix it for you

"Most games that attempt to be technical masterpieces usually end up being bug ridden, revamped piles of puke and are extremely not fun."

I would say that the ones that do manage to become technical masterpieces, only got there because of the fact that they have so few flaws and are extremely fun to play.
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You do understand what subjectivity is, right? I happen to agree with his point, as I personally found HL-2 (too late to the game for H-L1) to be massively depressing and more than a little formulaic, FarCry mediocre at best, and so forth - it's not to say you're wrong, but simply that those games may not be universally "fun", yes?
 
Installed the demo this weekend and I have to say I was not impressed. I thought I was playing a beta or something. Took me forever to get into the actual game and once I did it was pain to get everything setup. I will pass on 2142.
 
5150Joker said:
BF2142 sucks balls thats why. No reason to buy anymore DICE/EA games IMO, its best to wait for Splash Damage to release Quake Wars and for THQ to release Frontlines: Fuel of War.
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i agree on that, im not buying BF2142 unless the fix it and not do like BF2 did. Quake Wars looks great if theirs a demo it be 40times better then BF2142. * i sure hope...*
 
Being a seasoned BF2 player I agree with almost all his points except the whole advanced weapons thing...I don't forsee laser weapons 200 years from now, bullets will still be around for sure. Definately though...the whole crappy running distance bothered me and when I tested it against light armor...barely noticable difference. This is the demo so hopefully there are a couple of changes. My friend at EA said that they are changing some stuff in BF2142 from the demo (mind you he works in the Xbox live department for EA sports but he still knows whats going on) because theres still some issues with it. Although he douts they will change the design of the Titan :( I totally agreed with the guy on that...the Titan layout is stupid and the fact the teams have the exact same titan is beyond me.
 
flboad said:
I'm sorry but that is the worst statement ever...
HL2, FarCry, HL1, Mario, Zelda, Quake I can go on and on.

I'll fix it for you

"Most games that attempt to be technical masterpieces usually end up being bug ridden, revamped piles of puke and are extremely not fun."

I would say that the ones that do manage to become technical masterpieces, only got there because of the fact that they have so few flaws and are extremely fun to play.
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I wouldn't say its the worst statement ever, and I stand behind it. Many games that work perfectly aren't fun. Go to a computer store or game store and walk down the isle. Tell me how many out of the 100's of titles on the shelves are good games? Tell me how many work pretty good, but are still not fun. I'd be willing to bet that the enthralling and worthwhile games are in the minority.

Sure you and I can both name off a bunch of titles that work great and are fun, but I can also name off several titles that work well and aren't fun too. Doom 3 is one such example. Masterpiece of technical engineering and software development, but it isn't the most fun game out there.

HL2 has a ton of issues, but is fun. I wouldn't call it a technical masterpiece. It takes a ton of patching to make HL2 work worth a crap. It took forever to get rid of the stutter that the game used to have on so many systems.

The amount of flaws a game has are not directly proportional to how much fun they are. Farcry, HL2, FEAR and many more are great games and when they were new, they had a HUGE list of problems.

The BF series does have an almost record setting list of problems, but they are still fun games. My whole point is that while the BF games need work, they are fun. I just think that EA and DICE are lazy and ultimately overly greedy, soul-less bastards that aren't interested in delivering the best product possible. They just want to start making money as fast as possible.
 
How "fun" a game is, is really subjective, and I think we all know that a good engine sporting decent technology doesn't necessarily mean a fun game at the other end.

The only time I was ever really stunned with the battlefield franchise is in the original BF1942 when you could alter the view distance before it was patched so that you couldn't. I set the view distance to something like 18x further than the maximum back on my old Ti4600 and even then it ran well.

Other than that I've never really seen any of the BF games as particuarly graphically impressive, BF2 had it's moments but only if you cleaned up the scene with a lot of AF and TSAA.

One thing is for sure the graphics in BF2142 are really bland and this seems to be a good average opinion out there, I keep reading the word "bland" and "BF2142" in the same sentance over and over.
 
Frosteh said:
One thing is for sure the graphics in BF2142 are really bland and this seems to be a good average opinion out there, I keep reading the word "bland" and "BF2142" in the same sentance over and over.
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Agreed, it's not the best-looking, but as for the "bland" thing I think that's more likely a product of people reading a word and deciding that it applies, and perpetuating. People in general tend to do this, be it consciously or not :p
 
I love BF2.



2142 sucks

slow movement
makes me fall asleep
boring
the environment on that one map sucks, too dark with an FPS hit from BF2 while looking worst IMO


on the other hand, ran troublefree for me, pretty smooth, no bugs so far for me, BUT in BF2 the only bug I had was te red name tag :)
 
that 1+gig P.O.S. BF2142 demo wouldn't even run after install
"dx9.dll" or some BS......
I am thru w/ BF series, they get so close to making something awesome then have a bunch of screwy niggling defects that piss me off....only 1942 was playable and simple w/ minimal crappage
 
The T-man said:
that 1+gig P.O.S. BF2142 demo wouldn't even run after install
"dx9.dll" or some BS......
I am thru w/ BF series, they get so close to making something awesome then have a bunch of screwy niggling defects that piss me off....only 1942 was playable and simple w/ minimal crappage
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Do a Google search for the file d3dx9_29.dll and download it off the net. Then copy the file to the Windows\System32 folder. That should fix your problem.

It did for me.
 
I think people are so pissed b/c we all wanted it to be a good, fun game.

I can't pass judgement at all b/c the demo gave me a BSOD lol.

So the game is finally so buggy I can't play it even if I wanted too.

QUAKE WARS| save us!
 
I haven't played it because I'm just not interested. EA really pissed me off with the first BF. Demo kicked ass and ran great. Bought the full game launch day. Sucked ass. Wouldn't even run. A lot of people had this issue(think most had amd chips like me but can't remember). Took ea a month to get it working right. By that point I didn't care.

BF:VE came out. I decided to pass it up because I was still mad about BF. Sure enough it had a lot of problems from day one. It is like they started with the beta code from BF and didn't load the bug fixes. It was bullshit.

BF2. Once again a lot of issues with it. I'm starting to see a patteren here.......

With such a nice track record I see no reason to give them money. And I mean give. I don't really think I'll get anything for it.
 
Spaceman hit it on the head. I was hoping that 2142 would be much better, by fixing all the issues in Bf2 and improving on the game all together but I was very let down

Here's my list

No Widescreen

Can't run fast more than about 10ft with or without armor

Weapons are worse than whats in BF2, and its supposed to be 140 years later :mad:

A revolver sidearm with only 6 shoots in the year 2142?:rolleyes:come on!

no jets or plane like aircraft :mad:

whole screen shakes when you run

Still looses connection

mech walkers can't fly or hop short distances :mad:

Hoover tank just blows - no rotatable turret so you can't really shoot on the move, and it handles like garbage, sways all over so its hard to make long range shots because its unstable, no driver controlled coaxial machine gun, and it can't hoover over water

titan mode is kind of stupid, the titat ship is cool, but the whole silo capture thing is dumb
 
i wish they would make tribes legions ... i can't get into any of these games ...
 
tribes legions would rock...i played T2 competition for 2 years on TWL, i played a little BF2 comp but it just isnt the same. Maybe QW will change that.
 
pistola said:
This forum seriously has major EA/Dice hate issues. There are just as many and equally poor decicison making sub standarded game making done by just as good/big game studios, yet you don't see nearly the kind of trolling DICE gets.
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I agree but the same can be said for ID Software or even Valve. People bitch more against polpular or overhyped companies. It's normal. Take Sony for example, it's been getting a beating lately. I think it's the arrogance they project that is the culprit but come on! If these huge corporations can't come out with quality products we have the right to bitch. They hype their products, place ads everywhere, put their brandname in bold in front of them, make us believe we will spend our money wisely and you often get an incomplete product which is barely useable out of the box. You need to wait weeks before an update which sometimes doesn't fix enough or introduces even more issues... It is lame.

I'd love to see a [H] Consumer type review on BF2142. It wouldn't be pretty but pretty funny...
 
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