What's the "NEXT" 30" + display?

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BoredTiger

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Alright, so I've been doing some reading on these pages about large format displays.

I'm interested in the DELL 3007, but I'm also noticing people complaining about this display. I know it's been out for most of the year, with Jacuzz1 providing some amazing feedback and images of his purchase.

Right now the display retails at DELL for ~1500.00.

I'm wondering, if I should wait for a newer display (new technology with more generous inputs) or to just pull the trigger on this display (Dell 3007).

I mostly game (FPS mostly with some simulation and adventure gaming). I currently have a single 7950 GX2 card on an Opteron AMD dualcore setup.

I've read that there are PVA and IPS displays (not entirely sure what the advantages are of these formats) and am wondering if a 30" + display is imminent with newer features and better compatibility with 1080p signals from HD/Blu-Ray technology.

I have every intention of purchasing a very large screen TV in the future, but in the meantime, I would not mind using my computer monitor as a go-between while I work my way to a large TV (especially with consideration of the PS3 and it's onboard Blu-Ray player coming).

So basically, I want a computer monitor mainly for gaming, and possibly an interim BLU-RAY/PS3 display while I save up for a large screen HDTV.

I've seen you all pour on praise for the DELL 24, BenQ, and other manufacturers (Westinghouse). But in the end, I want to be happy about replacing my 19" Sony LCD display with a good computer monitor that I can enjoy gaming and possible movie watching :)

I await your thoughts and suggestions Hard members! :)

BT
 
BoredTiger said:
Alright, so I've been doing some reading on these pages about large format displays.

I'm interested in the DELL 3007, but I'm also noticing people complaining about this display. I know it's been out for most of the year, with Jacuzz1 providing some amazing feedback and images of his purchase.

I mostly game (FPS mostly with some simulation and adventure gaming). I currently have a single 7950 GX2 card on an Opteron AMD dualcore setup.
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I'm not a heavy gamer but I don't think the vast majority of games support the resolution of the Dell 30" which means you will get distortion in the image when downscaling the resolution on the 30" Dell monitor. The Dell 24" would be better suited for you, or perhaps the Westinghouse 37" if you will use it a lot for movies, gaming and HDTV.
 
Well, my concern with the Westinghouse is that...I don't want to watch TV on the thing :)

This is all very...confusing in that I know I want to get a HDTV by year's end, but at the same time, I want to have a go between for the meantime and also the "best" (very relative) for my PC gaming set up :)

I understand that resolution support on current games are limited, but aren't the newer games now supporting this new resolution?

I mostly play BF2, CS: Source, PREY, some RTS, stuff like that. Graphics heavy games. I would think they would keep 30" owners in mind when developing graphics support. Am I being too naive? :)

Thanks for your response.
 
I've played on both of them and I would have to say...

I preferred the Westinghouse 37v3

Why? Because I felt 2560 was just too high of a resolution. And 1080p on the Westinghouse was great for other things (though mostly I enjoy gaming as I like BF2 and other FPS games).

I currently have a Dell 2405, but if I was pulling the trigger right now I would get the v3 Westinghouse mostly because once the new technology came out in the future the Westinghouse would look great on the wall as a Television downstairs.
 
Trey...you make an excellent point.

It can be functional as something else later on!

Hmm...now I have to figure out what you guys mean by V3. Is that version 3? Also, what's so special about V3?

Thanks :)
 
I use the sony FW900 crt, 24inch, this things bends over any resolution without any quality loss. BTW I wouldn't invest in any flat screens at the moment, from my knowledge theres a good ammount of them that will shift to having HDMI, some video cards are starting to drop DVI and include VGA and HDMI only. You also have to make sure it's HDCP (high def copy protetion) so that when the new windows comes out the content doesen't get streamed at a lower quality. Good luck
 
ellover009 said:
I use the sony FW900 crt, 24inch, this things bends over any resolution without any quality loss. BTW I wouldn't invest in any flat screens at the moment, from my knowledge theres a good ammount of them that will shift to having HDMI, some video cards are starting to drop DVI and include VGA and HDMI only. You also have to make sure it's HDCP (high def copy protetion) so that when the new windows comes out the content doesen't get streamed at a lower quality. Good luck
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There are plenty of good HDCP LCD screens out right now. DVI supports HDCP so HDMI is not neccesary. I have not heard of a single video card having HDMI, so provide a link to that please. And HDCP has nothing to do with windows, it has to do with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players using discs with protection enabled.
 
I'm assuming your taking your evalutaion of the 30" high res market with my situation as a reference point correct? :p
I've been hanging out in this section for a longggg time as I have patiently awaited news on any new 30 inch 2560x1600 monitors that might be slightly better than the dell 3007wfp and also having mutlitple inputs besides dvi.

I have always been of praise of the dell 3007wfp of its cheapness and its relatively good quality and its very liberal return policy regarding dead pixels. However, I was also dissapointed that it did not include multiple inputs similar to their 24" 2405fwp.
That, and the fact that I wanted to wait for either the nvidia g80 or ati r600 products to be released led me to decide to wait instead of purchasing the 3007wfp.

That was almost a year ago.

Finally, it looks like in a month or two the nvidia g80 at last will be debuted. Hopefully the single high end flagship card the nvidia g80 will be based on can run games at 2560x1600 with decent frame rates (I said decent not warp speed) with at least SOME of the eye candy on.
And in the meantime, while waiting for such a card, I've been looking at the 30" display market CLOSELY.
So far, as I had hoped, other companies have been announcing that they will be selling their own 30inchers:

Samsung 305T (will their panel be better than the one in the dell?)
BenQ FP301w (first 30incher with multiple inputs...but restrictive dead pixel return policy?)
HP LP3065 (color gamut seems to be the best...but what does that really mean?)
Apple 30" cinema display (why bother?)

Which will be the best purchase for me? Should I get the BenQ with the multiple inputs but questionable return policy?
Perhaps the Samsung? Maybe the HP?
An even better question.....WHEN THE HELL WILL THESE BE AVAILABLE????
I hate a company that announces a product years in advance it seems but does not make them available. BenQ announced theirs in freakin MARCH of this year. ARGH!!!!

When nvidia finally gets their act together and make a few of their high end g80 cards available in november I want to make a final decision on a 30". I want those frickin imbecilic companies to come out with their products this freakin Christmas.....no before!

Cause I'm irrational dammit....yes I said it! I'm irrational and I want what I want when I want it ARGH!!!!!!!! I've waited too long dammit I was patient now I've gonE INSANEEE!!!! :mad:
 
HDCP and windows, I believe is a matter of decoding, so your windows will most likely have to have the capability to decode the signal to some degree...since it's my understanding that the DISPLAY must also have HDCP enabled to decode the signal from the source, or else it gets downscaled in resolution.

Whatever, not really my concern here per se.

STALKER, I feel bad for you :) I do share your sentiment on seeing some more options available. Especially at this price point.

I don't just want to pull the trigger on a 30" just for the sake of doing it. I'd like to comparison shop and find the best product for my needs.

The DELL's resolution really is exciting for the screen size. But the inputs are a shame.

If the DELL 3007 came with more inputs, it would really be a no brainer for me, but since it is limited...here I am...contemplating with you all.

Oh well...we'll see. Right now, I'm leaning towards the 37" Westinghouse display. It's versatility and number of inputs are very inviting.
 
HDCP is just a flag. The OS just has to have the means to provide access to the flag. Whatever media player that reads the flag is what actually enforces it. Currently the only media player is WMP11 w. Vista. Vista just lets programs read the flag, it doesnt do anything with it. HDCP is sort of a limping ugly horse. HDCP has been in the works for awhile its just never used. HDCP compliant displays were around before the Vista announcements.
This is just my speculation but I think HDCP was supposed to only allow anything over 480p media to be played on a HDCP compliant BR/HD-DVD player and a 1080p HDCP compliant display. As in if you have all the right hardware your 1080p media on your HD-DVD will play at 1080p on your 1080p display. But if you don't have a 1080p display(which shouldn't have HDCP) or a HDCP compliant DVD player the content is played at 480p or some interlaced res. That is definitely not how it is now. Why? My guess is the limited number of 1080p displays awhile ago and the battle between BR and HD-DVD. Whats funny is that BR and HD-DVDs both have 1080p content but there are no players that output it at 1080p, only 768p. No clue about that. Once the BR and HD-DVD drives and software come out for the PC, AFAIK that will be the first time that 1080p gets played all the way through. I don't think the brains behind HDCP ever planned for that.

And Stalker Im in the same boat as you. I think I replied to one of your other posts saying the same thing :) Might have been someone else but whatever.
I really wouldn't wait for a display who's native res is 2560x1600 that also has inputs other than DVI-D. The reason is because there aren't any other standards that are used and that support that high of a resolution. The only other standard that supports it is the HDMI Type-B link. But no one uses it. Its only on paper.
HDMI 1.3 won't even support it (which is very weird if you ask me).
http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/specification.asp
In the specs it says anything over 165Mpixles/sec (2560x1600 @ 60hz is 245Mpixels/sec and some change) the Type-B HDMI will be used... Bet anyone dimes to dollars we won't be seeing that anytime soon if ever.
If 2560x1600 doesn't start showing up on Home Theater displays(highly unlikely) there won't be any drive to have any other interface other than DVI-D :\

As far as upcoming displays I'm not waiting on any display that uses the Samsung panel. I'm ASSuming there is a problem with it. Who knows what but delays across the board on any product that uses it is a bad sign. Supply, QC, whatever, somethings wrong.
I'm waiting until December and buying. By then the HP display will be out and hopefully Apple and Dell will refresh their line or just make new revisions with LG's new panel. The new panel has much better specs on paper than the current one that Dell and Apple use now. Not just color gamut but response also. If thousands are happy with the old panel and LG doesn't flop on the release of the successor I'm sure these will be some nice displays.
 
HDMI video cards, they are in lower end card at moment because they are geared towards those home theather pc's, over time we might see them move towards higher end video cards.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=327706
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=326845

Supporting information on the new HDMI cards
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/sapphire-hdmi-x1600-in-the-wild-179647.php
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/peri...amond-plus-gets-hdmi-certification-194374.php
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/peri...-ported-graphics-card-nvidia-chips-192499.php

Here's the new HP 30inch screen, faster responce than the dell and apple 30inchers.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/hp-lp3065-30inch-lcd-display-198940.php
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/peri...-match-hp-lp3065-vs-dell-and-apple-199147.php
 
I jumped aboard and purchased the Dell 3007. I have had a Dell 2405 FPW for over a year and have yet to use any of the other inputs other than the DVI-D. The real estate is awesome for a monitor you can find for under $1400 plus shipping. No regrets here.
 
Besides, there are other ways to connect besides connect thru dvi...

Svideo out is a way to connect plasma and lcd tvs... Not sure if that would give high resolution or not though.

EDIT: Shit, I double posted without realizing :-(
 
Newsboys2004 said:
Besides, there are other ways to connect besides connect thru dvi...

Svideo out is a way to connect plasma and lcd tvs... Not sure if that would give high resolution or not though.

EDIT: Shit, I double posted without realizing :-(
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Anything other that DVI or HDMI is going to look like poop for PC type stuff or games.
 
Well it'll be your choice what to get. The westinghouse is brighter, more expensive, and...

The Sharp Aquos is cheaper, has a better refresh rate, shows a tad more colors, and...

And the Dell is S-IPS...
 
Tanquen said:
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Look around a bit, and they are pretty easy to find for $1389 plus shipping. ;)

And, I have a couple of LCD HDTV's, and the 3007 is definitely sharper. Gaming is just fine, as well. If you go with HDTV, 1080P should be considered a minimum. Mine are a little older and just do 1080i.
 
HeavyH20 said:
Look around a bit, and they are pretty easy to find for $1389 plus shipping. ;)

And, I have a couple of LCD HDTV's, and the 3007 is definitely sharper. Gaming is just fine, as well. If you go with HDTV, 1080P should be considered a minimum. Mine are a little older and just do 1080i.
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lol I'd love for you to prove me wrong on this one then. I do look around a bit. Im on slickdeals every day. I have yet to see any of the big 10-20% off coupons apply to the 3007wfp. All the LCD coupons apply to 20" and 24". The only deal that more than a handfull of people can get is calling that one rep that 's mentioned in jacuzz1's thread and ask for a deal. And thats definitely not guaranteed.

With the drop in price on the 3007 it will probably be awhile before we see any good coupons that apply to it again.
 
jamesavery22 said:
lol I'd love for you to prove me wrong on this one then. I do look around a bit. Im on slickdeals every day. I have yet to see any of the big 10-20% off coupons apply to the 3007wfp. All the LCD coupons apply to 20" and 24". The only deal that more than a handfull of people can get is calling that one rep that 's mentioned in jacuzz1's thread and ask for a deal. And thats definitely not guaranteed.

With the drop in price on the 3007 it will probably be awhile before we see any good coupons that apply to it again.
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