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Solarfall said:well put, fight the poweraztec61 said:
Why fight it? I'm sorry, but, if I ever get enough money for an upgrade, to heck with S939, AM2, or even AM3. I'm going willingly to Intel for the first time since the P3. That is, unless AMD changes something fundamental and quickly (right now my opinion that they got a little too arrogant while they were ahead is only growing.)
Nazo said:
We have to fight the horrors that is conroe. Just look at what it did to my X2 4400/A8N-SLI Premium set-up. Reduced to sitting on a shelf and forced to hold up an E-6600 box.
No you can't have it, my X2 is just waiting quietly to become my HTPC.
I don't understand why people can't have the patience to wait for K8L. I have good enough performance to last me for a while, however, all these people are just dumping the X2 right off the bat for the benchmarks? I see Conroe as being Intel's last breath until AMD's new 65nm core comes out.
fireluxx said:
In my case it is pretty simple. I upgrade every 12 months. By the time the K8L is in full blown production, it'll be upgrade time again anyway. But who knows what everything will look like then. Conroe isn't Intel's last breath because Intel's kentsfield chips are being released at the end of this year or Q1 of next year.
Next year's battle is going to be between K8L and Kentsfield, not K8L and Conroe like many people seem to think.
At least it will be more of a fair comparision. I prefer to see the numbers of the two companies' newest processors versus a new processor being compared to an older technology that was tweaked for DDR2 support.
I know that there will always be a bigger dog that will eat the smaller dog, but all this Conroe vs AM2 crap is leaving me with a sour taste in my mouth. As for Kentsfield, Chinese hardware reviewers have tested the ES chips, and it's just two more cores slapped under a Conroe heatspreader.
I know that there will always be a bigger dog that will eat the smaller dog, but all this Conroe vs AM2 crap is leaving me with a sour taste in my mouth. As for Kentsfield, Chinese hardware reviewers have tested the ES chips, and it's just two more cores slapped under a Conroe heatspreader.
beowulf7 said:
me too, it just did not seem like a wise thing to do just now, mayby when amd launches those quad-core cpu's. if i upgrade now i whould have to upgrade my mobo,ram and cpu that takes a heap load of cash i dont have that kind of money just now. and i just went dual-core, i purchased fx-60 from e-bay. propaply dont need to upgrade in the near future.
That FX-60 should last you a good time. Even that would be too rich for my wallet.Solarfall said:
I figure since I'm not using my computer like a supercomputer, I just need something that has good enough performance for me. I mean I'm all about mad speed. But at the same time, I need to $ave up for a house, modding my car, eventually buying a home theater system, a vacation around Christmas, X-mas gifts, and so on. Moto450fyz
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Well I just grabbed an X2 4400 939 to play with, It was only 180 Bucks right now, I don't think spending 800 to 1100 to upgrade to Conroe is worth it to me right now. I was looking at trying out a Conroe but this system is only 8 Months old so i could not see spending that kind of cash on an upgrade right now. And i want the pricey stuff if i upgrade so hear i stay
I have upgrades in my house to do and the Wife wants them done first lol
So X2 4400 939 will do me fine for another 6 to 8 Months
I have upgrades in my house to do and the Wife wants them done first lol
So X2 4400 939 will do me fine for another 6 to 8 Months
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fireluxx said:
It's not benchmarks, it's actual real world experience. Conroe is the new "it." I don't know about other people -- many just want them for the sake of having something that's more powerful (though the better power saving doesn't hurt either.) However, I do a lot of things that really push a CPU, some of which I am forced to admit actually perform better on an Intel even with the P4 though I don't really know why. That includes things like SEROIUS video processing in realtime through ffdshow (and believe me, for some reason having to enable the VMR mode so subtitles will work eats a huge chunk of CPU power, so I really desperately need something better already,) H.264 for those of us not rich enough to run and upgrade every single component to get a newer PCI-E card just for video watching, and even encoding itself which will push the limits of any CPU. Besides, even if they weren't winning benchmarks so well, AMD has gotten kind of arrogant lately and hasn't competed price-wise nearly so well as they need to, so Intel is now the new AMD making the best bang for the buck CPU. I guess this is finally turning around a bit with AMD starting to price better, but, I just don't like how they've been sitting on their rears enjoying their profits and not innovating all this time.
Oh, and what the heck is this about a conroe costing $800? That's hardly the normal cost: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...iption=conroe&srchInDesc=&minPrice=&maxPrice= You'll note only one of them is that much, and is actually more but the others are less going down as low as $191 for the low end one.
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Well you see I added up the COST of What I Want To Build and it it was going to COST me well over 800 Dollars I don't want to build a so called BUDGET Conroe set up and $180 Dollars seems to fit the bill here for me. So GO ADD the Cost again and show were i can upgrade for $180 Dollars for a Conroe setup and im all over it
New MB, Ram and Conroe come up to a hell of alot more then the $180 i spent on the amd 4400.
It's a matter of what you want and if it will do the job and 95 % of what i do is Game, so why upgrade right now.
There is not 1 game as of now i can't play and play well, so i have to get my moneys worth out of this system.
I don't want to build a so called BUDGET Conroe set up and $180 Dollars seems to fit the bill here for me. So GO ADD the Cost again and show were i can upgrade for $180 Dollars for a Conroe setup and im all over it New MB, Ram and Conroe come up to a hell of alot more then the $180 i spent on the amd 4400.
It's a matter of what you want and if it will do the job and 95 % of what i do is Game, so why upgrade right now.
There is not 1 game as of now i can't play and play well, so i have to get my moneys worth out of this system.
Nazo said:
This is the Socket 939 club, not the Conroe Socket 775 club, stop trolling threads that don't have anything to do with your topic. Until you can show me a working $191 conroe installed into a Socke 939 motherboard and that it's stable, Conroe posts are off topic.
Seriously, why do the Core 2 Duo people come over here and thread crap? Sure the Core 2 Duo has undisputed performance at this point in time (could change not too long from now, or they may continue to reign the top performer) but that is not the issue here. Some of us still have significant investment into our DDR memory and moving to a new platform will require:
1. Core 2 Duo - sure there's a cheap E6300 that comes close to the new AMD pricing, but I'll also need.
2. Motherboard - if you are going to upgrade, you'll want a decent MB. Note that I have SLI, so some budget rig for old DDR memory for S775 is not going to cut it. $200.00 average here.
3. DDR2 RAM - again, to get the same level of enthusiast performance, I'll need 2GB of DDR2-677, what's that another $200.00?
How does that add up? What if my budget limit was $200.00? I was able to purchase my X2 3800+ for less than that and garnered a significant performance boost. All my applications scream in comparison to previous performance. Whoopty doodly doo that you have higher benchy scores than me. When I have the budget for a complete system again in the future, I'll get the top performer then, as it is, the X2 will provide fantastic performance for all my existing titles as well as the upcoming Windows Vista.
In addition when addressing some of the applications you mention. I use fddshow to upscale my DVD content and I've also used some H.264 content. I'm also not taxing the full potential of my processor when doing this. Would you believe I'm at about 35% CPU utilization when performing those tasks? If you use more than that you should check out the guides at http://www.htpcnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=132&Itemid=48 This guide is from 2004 and the process has gotten even better. Check out http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/WinDVD.jsp?mode=Features and scroll to the section mentioning nVIDIA PureVideo support. Their H.264 codec will experience significant acceleration with an nVIDIA card and Purevideo decoder.
Fddshow in combination with the PureVideo decoder from nVIDIA work together to provide some amazing peformance and also visual quality. H.264, fddshow and whatnot tend to tax my video card more than my CPU and as the software support for the existing hardware acceleration for both ATI and nVIDIA improves, you'll find even single core users garnering decent performance. Heck, with my older 3000+ I was getting only 45% CPU utilization when viewing 1080P WMV HD content at full res. Search for some old Purevideo threads and you should see my response with screenshot that proved that. I mention all this as it's indirectly implied from your posting that AMD 64 processors are inadequate for these functions and that's just not the case. Of course from the standpoint of a brand new purchase from scratch with no reused parts, I'd likely go Conroe, but that's irrelevant as I'm talking in reference to upgrades on my existing socket 939 setup.
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I'm socket 939 and will be there at least another 6 months or so. After that, it's anyone's guess...
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Thats the way i was looking at it, an upgrade this soon with as much money as i have spent on this system was what i looked at. I also want a Conroe but with the parts i have now and the price i payed when i built it 9 months ago, it just was not worth it for Gaming. I found a Great Deal on a X2 4400 939 so when i look at what i was going to spend on my upgrade and what this cost me and what it does for me for the price im staying with the 939 for atleast 6 more months to try to get some use out of what i have spent all ready on it.
I think if you upgraded to conroe good for you, it is a nice setup and i wished i had one too but @ what These parts i have are selling for used its crazy to give them away and take a MAJOR LOSS, I mite get 10 cents on the dollar spent and thats not good at all.
I don't just want to benchmark @ high speeds , I want to Game @ high speeds, STABLE.
Im sure the conroe does that but for a 500 MHz gain in power im better off right now getting an even faster Vid Card.
I say if you have a 939 setup all ready and want a cheap upgrade why not get an X2 cpu and make good use out of what you have now.
I think if you upgraded to conroe good for you, it is a nice setup and i wished i had one too
but @ what These parts i have are selling for used its crazy to give them away and take a MAJOR LOSS, I mite get 10 cents on the dollar spent and thats not good at all.I don't just want to benchmark @ high speeds , I want to Game @ high speeds, STABLE.
Im sure the conroe does that but for a 500 MHz gain in power im better off right now getting an even faster Vid Card.
I say if you have a 939 setup all ready and want a cheap upgrade why not get an X2 cpu and make good use out of what you have now.
Moto450fyz said:Thats the way i was looking at it, an upgrade this soon with as much money as i have spent on this system was what i looked at. I also want a Conroe but with the parts i have now and the price i payed when i built it 9 months ago, it just was not worth it for Gaming. I found a Great Deal on a X2 4400 939 so when i look at what i was going to spend on my upgrade and what this cost me and what it does for me for the price im staying with the 939 for atleast 6 more months to try to get some use out of what i have spent all ready on it.
I think if you upgraded to conroe good for you, it is a nice setup and i wished i had one too
I don't just want to benchmark @ high speeds , I want to Game @ high speeds, STABLE.
Im sure the conroe does that but for a 500 MHz gain in power im better off right now getting an even faster Vid Card.
I say if you have a 939 setup all ready and want a cheap upgrade why not get an X2 cpu and make good use out of what you have now.
I agree with you totally. I was thinking the same way. My system is 11 months old and the only thing I'm gonna chnage this year is 2 new G80's (hopefully they come out before years end) and that was it till probably end of 1st quater or begining of the 2nd 07.
Conroe IS an upgrade from what I have but not enough to justify the cost for me.Especially since I game at 1600/1900 res. If i gamed at 1024 sure then maybe it would make some sense.
Moto450fyz said:
Tell me about it. I wouldn't have upgraded if my X2 wasn't going to be put to use elsewhere. I got my X2 4400 right when they came out. I looked back at the order and I paid $660 for it from ZZF. Man how quickly prices drop.
Hightest said:
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The posts aren't trolls. This is a club for s939 owners. I own a s939 and have been a club member since the start. My first post here is the 7th post in the thread. I also am now a Conroe owner. That doesn't make me stop being a s939 owner. As long as everyone posting here is a member and a current s939 owner, as far as I am concerned they can post whatever they want. I mean god forbid we have a conversation about intel vs amd in the processor forum!!
If you are so proud of your s939 system, then why don't you take the time to maintain your picture linked in the 1 post or list your membership in your signature like I do.[/RANT]
brom42 said:
My links broekn! Thanks for the update, I'll have this fixed soon. Looks like I hit a nerve, sorry 'bout that. Also I just was getting tired of "Conroe is r0x0rs and AMD is sux0rs" that I've been seeing everywhere so that I reacted to a post in this forum from a fellow alliance member. Again, sorry 'bout that, but what would you do if a non-alliance member posted about Conroe in here? Your' right if it's in the processors forum, but what about in the AMD subforum?Similar to ATI fans posting the nVIDIA subforum or vice versa in my mind.
HighTest said:
Similar to ATI fans posting the nVIDIA subforum or vice versa in my mind.
I know what you mean, but I myself have been getting sick of people constantly downplaying what Conroe did for Intel. But the thing that gets me the most is all the people that make comments like "just wait for K8L." like it is the second coming of Jesus or something. I've just gotten annoyed with, well, everyone.
I posted a picture of my X2 system sitting on a shelf doing nothing but holding up a conroe box as a joke. I thought it was obvious I was kidding, (I still love my X2 system and it will live a long healthy life as my new HTPC) so when you made your comment about Conroe posts being flamebait you turned on my rant mode. Although I was ranting about your comment, it was not really directed at you. We were basically getting arguing the same point. Anyone who says "Processor A is r0x0rs and Processor B is sux0rs" are idiots.One thing I can say is that I don't give take sides too seriously. I have owned both Intel and AMD since both broke the ghz mark. I use both nVidia and ATI video cards and chipsets. I own a gaming PC and all the consoles. I always think, "Why pick sides when you can just buy both."
I just the find the closest iquana named Freddy... Well you know the rest
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beowulf7 said:
My San Diego has probably never seen 50C in it's entire lifetime even with voltage bumped up a bit and running at 2.5GHz (unfortunately about the high it goes.)
Whenever I get up the cash to upgrade, my San Diego will replace my old SMP P3 server and I should be able to do things like start up encodes on it and leave them running while I use my real PC for gaming. Right now, as good as Intels are at things like encoding, and as much as SMP helps, two P3 500MHz Intels just aren't cutting it.
HighTest said:
Similar to ATI fans posting the nVIDIA subforum or vice versa in my mind.
And yet, I'm an AMD "!!!!!!." When you get an ATI !!!!!! telling people to buy nVidia because their brand new Geforce 8800 blows ATI's current technology out of the water, maybe it's time to listen? You'll note that it's not a whole "Intel rules, AMD drools" kind of post as I really still like AMD despite their recently somewhat questionable practice of sitting on their rear ends and raising prices (I've been with them every since that AMD TBird and never once regretted it.) The !!!!!! just loves one company and hates the other no matter what they make. I'm trying my best to be neutral though, and right now the facts are that Conroe is a very viable candidate for our next upgrades. Thus, I think it's actually pretty on topic considering that AMD won't be doing socket 939 anymore, and many users posting in here are going to have to start thinking about upgrades by now.
Hey, let's start a slot 1 alliance, lol. I'll join, what the hey, this server isn't going anywhere for a while yet. Every since I started using it as a router and put squid on it, things have just started running so much more smoothly over the internet.
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Solarfall said:
I am now....
That sounds pretty good, Nazo and spicey. I will hope that there's still a little demand left for my 3200+ when I'm ready to ugprade to X2 (probably 4600+) in about a year.
AMDHunter, good job on maintaining a list. With a name like yours, I hope you're not even thinking about Conroe.
AMDHunter, good job on maintaining a list. With a name like yours, I hope you're not even thinking about Conroe.
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beowulf7 said:That sounds pretty good, Nazo and spicey. I will hope that there's still a little demand left for my 3200+ when I'm ready to ugprade to X2 (probably 4600+) in about a year.
AMDHunter, good job on maintaining a list. With a name like yours, I hope you're not even thinking about Conroe.
I honesly couldn't give a fuck less about Cornrow.
Also, since i am doing such a good job, wanna give me that 3200 later?
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a little slow to the game, but see build 2.0 (built back in early 2006).
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Count me in!
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Fixed.