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Spark_Plug

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I recently got a old IBM Thinkpad 390E from a family friend, she wanted all he documents from this laptop to her knew laptop so I figured I would just share the hard drive, copy it to my main computer and burn a DVD (only 1.7gigs have been used) but when I try to access the internet it doesn't work. When I ping 127.0.0.1 and the ip of the machine i there are results otherwise when I try to ping a the machine that is connected to the same router I get a request timed out. When I try to ping yahoo.com i get the same thing. This is the result:

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.107:
Packets: Sent = 4; Recieved = 0; Lost = 4 (100% loss).
Approxiate round trip in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms; Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms.

I am connecting to a Linksys BEFW11S4.v2 router from a NIC|SYBA 10/100 USB2.0 SY-U2LAN-R (SD-U2LAN). She had this working before connecting to her router at home for awhile since he PCMIA network card was broken. All the lights are on on the router. Help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Adam
 
I cannot ping the router and do not know how to verify the DHCP thing. In the TCP/IP -> HighSpeed USB-Ethernet Adapter i have it set to use DHCP for WINS resolution in the WINS Configuration menu.
 
click start-run type "command" (without quotes) click OK

In the command window type "ipconfig /all" Without quotes also.

Post what you see in

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . :
 
DHCP enabled: yes
DHCP Server 192.168.1.1
Lease Obtained: 08 21 06 5:37:47 PM
Lease Expieres: 08 22 06 5:37:47 PM
 
what does this show?
ping 192.168.1.1

Your router is on 192.168.1.1 (in case you didnt know) :)
 
it does this
Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out
Request timed out
Request timed out
Request timed out

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1:
Packets: Sent = 4; Recieved = 0; Lost = 4 (100% loss).
Approxiate round trip in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms; Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms.
 
Spark_Plug said:
it does this
Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
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Check the cable. Possibly swap with a known good cable.
Check the port on the router, swap with a known good port.
 
cable is good and if you mean USB ports then there is only one and it works, don't know how to switch ports on the router.
 
Spark_Plug said:
cable is good and if you mean USB ports then there is only one and it works, don't know how to switch ports on the router.
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"when I try to ping a the machine that is connected to the same router I get a request timed out. "

What I mean is you have at least two machines plugged into the router, correct?

Change the ports they are plugged into on the router. Verify the machine that works (your machine) can still get an ip address and can ping the router/surf the web.
 
Yes this is my 3rd machine plugged into the router. I tried to change the ports on the router without any luck. My machine can get an ip address, surf and ping the router.
 
He got a DHCP address which means its ARP'ing. Because we're ARP'ing I think we can rule out possible cable/port issues (aka physical hardware)

My guess is that the TCP/IP is hosed for this connection....

whipping out "Ye Old Tricks of Win9x TCP/IP troubleshooting..."

Go to control panel -> Networking

Remove all entries that are NOT PHYSICAL adapters (the green worm looking lines). Remove clients and protocols. If you have weird-arsed adapters like Miniport drivers, get rid of them. The concept is to have just the adapters you physically have connected to your computer, no virtual adapters.

OK, and reboot. Answer yes if you get the question "Your network is not complete do you want to continue?"... just get out of that control panel. Reboot.

Go back to the control panel/network. Click Add -> Client -> Client for MS Networks (thats the only client you want) -> OK. You should now see client for MS networks, a couple of adapters (dialup and 1 per physical ethernet controller).

Go to the properties of your TCP/IP for your ethernet adapter, verify that its using DHCP /Obtain IP address automatically and OK it. On the network control panel, change "Primary Network Logon" to "Windows Logon" and hit OK.

It will then ask for your windows disk or CAB files (it may automagically find your cab files) and think for a few moments, then prompt you to reboot. Reboot.

If any of these steps fail, BSOD, non-responsive system, you will have to do these steps over until it "takes".

Congrats, you have just rebuilt the TCP/IP stack for Win9x. See if that works out :)
 
Spark_Plug said:
I cannot ping the router and do not know how to verify the DHCP thing. In the TCP/IP -> HighSpeed USB-Ethernet Adapter i have it set to use DHCP for WINS resolution in the WINS Configuration menu.
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Right Click "Network Neighborhood"..select "Properties"

You'll see a list of networking components installed...starting with Client(s), then your adapter(s), then protocol(s), then the optional service(s).

A single adapter can show up multiple times...if it has more than one protocol bound to it.

The one that ways TCP/IP==>HighSpeed USB adapter..double click that one. You'll see several tabs. The one for your IP address...radio button choice should be set to obtain automatically...or whatever is close to that (I can't remember the exact verbiage for Win9X..nor do I have any Win9X machine nearby to refer to..nor will I)...similar in the DNS tab....as for WINS...you want that disabled unless you have a WINS server..but you can leave that..it's doing no harm. There's also a bindings tab here..to allow you to bind this protocol and adapter to network clients/services. If you wish to copy across a network..this will have to be checked.

Also if you need to copy across a network..you'll need to make sure you primary logon type is Client for Microsoft Networks..not MS Family or the other which I forget what it is.

That should be all you need. If you did not make any changes...make sure you hit the "cancel" button both times on your way out. If you click on "OK"..with Win9X..even if you didn't make any changes..it will want to re-organize all your network drivers...and may ask you for the Win98 cd..and the drivers for your USB adapter. Not knowing how this PC was built...or if the cabs directory is on the HD...or your comfort level with this...it can hose you here.

Click on Start==>Run==>WINIPCFG
This brings up an IP GUI utility...click on the drop down menu to select your USB adapter...and there's something like a more details button somewhere, as well as a release/renew...do this when connected to the router.

If you can't get networking to run, there's a few alternatives. I used to upgrade all networking components back in the Win9X days by downloading and installing DUN1.4. which often healed problems. That was the ultimate way to upgrade and rebuild networking components.

If internet works..but no networking...you can always use something like UltraVNC and do a file transfer from within that.
 
Bullitt said:
He got a DHCP address which means its ARP'ing. Because we're ARP'ing I think we can rule out possible cable/port issues (aka physical hardware)

My guess is that the TCP/IP is hosed for this connection....

whipping out "Ye Old Tricks of Win9x TCP/IP troubleshooting..."

Go to control panel -> Networking

Remove all entries that are NOT PHYSICAL adapters (the green worm looking lines). Remove clients and protocols. If you have weird-arsed adapters like Miniport drivers, get rid of them. The concept is to have just the adapters you physically have connected to your computer, no virtual adapters.

OK, and reboot. Answer yes if you get the question "Your network is not complete do you want to continue?"... just get out of that control panel. Reboot.

Go back to the control panel/network. Click Add -> Client -> Client for MS Networks (thats the only client you want) -> OK. You should now see client for MS networks, a couple of adapters (dialup and 1 per physical ethernet controller).

Go to the properties of your TCP/IP for your ethernet adapter, verify that its using DHCP /Obtain IP address automatically and OK it. On the network control panel, change "Primary Network Logon" to "Windows Logon" and hit OK.

It will then ask for your windows disk or CAB files (it may automagically find your cab files) and think for a few moments, then prompt you to reboot. Reboot.

If any of these steps fail, BSOD, non-responsive system, you will have to do these steps over until it "takes".

Congrats, you have just rebuilt the TCP/IP stack for Win9x. See if that works out :)
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Why go threw all taht when you can just download and run the WinSock fix for win9x?
 
I found out that the computers USB port had something happen to it and only works when you wiggle it around make it stay in a centain position but once you reboot it doens't stay the same, you have to find a new position for it for some reason and then when you get it connected it autodetects new hardware installing the stuff so then there are two high speed ethernet adapters listed and it doesn't use the one I changed. What happened to it was that a black piece came off of the laptop or something where the USB port is.
 
Spark_Plug said:
I found out that the computers USB port had something happen to it and only works when you wiggle it around make it stay in a centain position but once you reboot it doens't stay the same, you have to find a new position for it for some reason and then when you get it connected it autodetects new hardware installing the stuff so then there are two high speed ethernet adapters listed and it doesn't use the one I changed. What happened to it was that a black piece came off of the laptop or something where the USB port is.
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ahh, dang USB ports :p
 
ok so the USB problem is not happening anymore but the two suggestions earlier have not done anything and isn't DUN14 for Dial up?
 
Spark_Plug said:
ok so the USB problem is not happening anymore but the two suggestions earlier have not done anything and isn't DUN14 for Dial up?
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you try the winsock fix for win9x?
 
I know the answer


The answer is

upgrade!!!!!!!

should take 2k

oh yeah to back up everything do you have a jump drive to trans everything?
 
I finally got access to the internet, I just stole my brothers wireless adapter and connected it and now can get access to the internet, now to the filesharing part of it.
 
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