So you have $300.00 TODAY, what do you do to enhance gaming?

You have $300.00 to enhance your gaming, TODAY, what do you buy?

  • Total voters
    347
  • Poll closed .
R1ckCa1n said:
What is so hard to understand that out of 99 voters (based on hitting the submit button), 5 have choosen a PPU? Very easy understand.
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Again, this have nothing to do with you mathemathical INCORRET percentage BS, now does it?
Nice try on a save though ;)
 
Terra said:
Again, this have nothing to do with you mathemathical INCORRET percentage BS, now does it?
Nice try on a save though ;)
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What does this have to do with percentage? I simply take the total users who have voted and devide by the number of users who picked a PPU. The number is so low it is easy..........

Don't tell me, it is flawed in your opinion?
 
Terra said:
And thus rendering the percentage claim mathematically incorrect. which was my point.
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fixed^

anyways, the percentage claim is not invalid, if a multiple choice poll made it invalid then how can you pick 2 people in a category when you vote.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
What does this have to do with percentage? I simply take the total users who have voted and devide by the number of users who picked a PPU. The number is so low it is easy..........

Don't tell me, it is flawed in your opinion?
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A) When you started this poll I told you that you where making a FALLACY!!!

This apparently slipped your mind, alongside my question (for the 3. time now!!!), if you know what a fallacy is? :)

B) The sampling number is far to SMALL to say anything.
Like you yourself say around 100 people have voted.
But to follow you "argumentation(I am in doubt wich way you are leaning thoug?) I could vote, we have would 100 people that have voted, 6 of them voting for the PPU, giving the PPU a bigger potential market than Creative Labs have ;)

Now do I get an answer, or do you wanne keep up your "duck and don't answer"- agenda?
 
Starting a poll is not "making a fallacy". I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.

The poll asks a legitimate question.
 
jimmyb said:
Starting a poll is not "making a fallacy". I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.

The poll asks a legitimate question.
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Read why he started it, then it becomes a fallacy ;)
 
Well Terra I am sorry the poll exposed that five out of one hundred people would actually buy a PPU and clearly bothers you. Sad part is I give the users the ability to choose the PPU along with other hardware and it still only gets five votes.

Maybe if you didn't flame everyone in this subforum the PPU might actually start to take hold? Then again you are the best marketing ATI/Nvidia/Havok have right now, on this forum.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
Well Terra I am sorry the poll exposed that five out of one hundred people would actually buy a PPU and clearly bothers you. Sad part is I give the users the ability to choose the PPU along with other hardware and it still only gets five votes.

Maybe if you didn't flame everyone in this subforum the PPU might actually start to take hold? Then again you are the best marketing ATI/Nvidia/Havok have right now, on this forum.
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lol agreed.
 
Terra said:
Read why he started it, then it becomes a fallacy ;)
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Regardless of whether or not the argument there is fallacious, the poll is not. The poll makes no claim to anything, makes no argument, and therefore cannot be a fallacy.

If you have a problem with the argument he is making, deal with that elsewhere. This is certainly not the place.
 
jimmyb said:
Regardless of whether or not the argument there is fallacious, the poll is not. The poll makes no claim to anything, makes no argument, and therefore cannot be a fallacy.

If you have a problem with the argument he is making, deal with that elsewhere. This is certainly not the place.
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You pretty much summed up what I was going to say.

By the way, Terra, learn a new word? :eek: :p :cool:
 
A family size bag o' crack and a couple ho's.

Oh...you said enhance 'gaming' and not 'game'. :eek: In that case it would be another 7900GT if I didn't already have one. Having SLI with a high res 20" widescreen lcd is worth more to me than a physics card.
 
i voted for 79/1800

i currently have a 68gt and getting one of those would benefit me vastly over a ppu. Not only will a 79/1800 improve fps/IQ but also allow me to upgrade to a bigger LCD. I dont see a ppu offering improvements even close to that. Price/money on hand is irrelevant imo. At any hardware price point, there is an alternative that i would choose over the ppu. If it was 50 bucks id rather get a good quality mouse, 100 bucks id get an xfi, 200 new dual core cpu from amd, 300 new gpu, 400 id get a monitor etc etc. If i already had the alternative id just save it for the next item on the higher price point, the ppu would be passed up indefinately. Even it i had 5k and had all the top gear for each hardware group id still be hard pressed to get a ppu. I play fps,mmorpg,rts etc etc. I dont believe in sli/cf so id be persuaded to go that route waaaaay before ppu. i have clan mates that have ppu's and im not impressed. One big difference tho, they got theirs FREE.


why i cant vote for ppu
1) dont think it offers an improvement over alternatives
2)largly unknown format, may go the way of betamax,laserdisc
3)stuff that it improves doesnt appeal to me, such as realistic particle movement zzzzz

I usually like waiting for big standard formats that will be around for a while like pci-e,sata,hdcp,etc. I dont see any ppu being one of these. Even it were to be an accepted format by the general consumers, im sure by that time ageia would bring out a next gen ppu. If they wouldnt, they are doomed already. Who makes a product in technology that doesnt improve/get refreshed.

there is one way that physx can get into the door, intergration. If ati/nvidia can integrate physx seemlessly without a messing it up via hardware/drivers then id get it by default. I mean if they can still produce a next gen GT class card and continue with traditional peformace gains like we been seeing and still sell it at $300 bucks, hay why not? But then it goes into that FREE statement i meant ealier, who cares when its free. Nv or ATI would have to eat costs or find a way to get it integrated cheaply cus i aint paying seperately for a ppu. If a GT class card was 499 now instead of 299 because it has phsyx and only 1 game i liked used phsyx, id be pissed as hell.
 
I wish you had a selection that said, " Upgrade everything I can for $300. " My current computer is only a 200mhz compaq overclocked to 233mhz !!! 196mb ram and a 2mb video..... The whole system needs upgraded lol. With my last system I had ( 2800+ sempron @2.72ghz ) only had a 6200tc and 512mb ram so I'd be kinda torn between buying more ram or a better video card.
 
Terra said:
Hardly: Date 06-08-2005

That is what you would call a backfire :p
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Yup sure looks like a backfire to me.
Of the many things you say that are inconsistent or purely argumentative, this one takes the biscuit (from the link you gave) -
"But I give you an "A" for your derailing attempt"

You are the biggest thread derailer I have known!
 
Chernobyl1 said:
Yup sure looks like a backfire to me.
Of the many things you say that are inconsistent or purely argumentative, this one takes the biscuit (from the link you gave) -
"But I give you an "A" for your derailing attempt"

You are the biggest thread derailer I have known!
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I think he holds the record for being in the most locked threads but could be wrong.
;)
 
"Constant Issues - KB" but hopefully things will mellow out for a bit as we see what physics brings to the table.
 
Chernobyl1 said:
Post #53 says
Terra Banned !!
Does anyone know what tipped the balance?
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I'm so excited I would pay Terra $300 to not sign up again to this forum and never post.
 
Out of curiousity, the people who voted to purchase the PPU I was just wondering if you could post why. No bashing from me or anything, I'd just like to read peoples reasons.
 
Killa_2327 said:
Anyways, out of curiousity, the people who voted to purchase the PPU I was just wondering if you could post why. No bashing from me or anything, I'd just like to read peoples reasons.
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Well, primarily b/c I'd like to be able to take advantage of new technology. I've seen what a PPU can do in a game, and, irregardless of whether it's practical or not, it's beautiful :cool:
 
DoomRulz said:
Well, primarily b/c I'd like to be able to take advantage of new technology. I've seen what a PPU can do in a game, and, irregardless of whether it's practical or not, it's beautiful :cool:
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I too love new technology (sometimes have early adoptor blues) but what is so beautiful about the PPU? From what I have seen it really doesn't do much of anything right now in games. It'd like to hear your opinion (ie. did you buy it for the promise or what it delivers today).
 
R1ckCa1n said:
I too love new technology (sometimes have early adoptor blues) but what is so beautiful about the PPU? From what I have seen it really doesn't do much of anything right now in games. It'd like to hear your opinion (ie. did you buy it for the promise or what it delivers today).
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If the PPU came in a PCI-E 1x card, I might consider one.

But it would have to go in the top slot on my Ultra-D... and I'm not sure if a card will clear the floppy power connector right behind that 2x slot. If it doesn't it would have to go in the top 16x slot.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
I too love new technology (sometimes have early adoptor blues) but what is so beautiful about the PPU? From what I have seen it really doesn't do much of anything right now in games. It'd like to hear your opinion (ie. did you buy it for the promise or what it delivers today).
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Well like I said, and these are my own thoughts, I just love the eye candy a PPU delivers.

I'm sure it'll deliver on its promise at some point, but for the moment, I'd buy one just for the eye candy.
 
Terra said:
He is assuming (or givng the false idea?) that the PPU cost $300
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Or that the PPU is going to enhance your gaming right now, not years from now.
 
Terra = banned lol BEWM!! Headshot!!!

Debate the PPU in peace. :D

I for one am looking forward to purchasing a PPU (not for 300 bucks and not until its fully supported) to enhance the games I play. For now though, gotta vote fast/more ram.
 
I'm not spending $300, but I am getting an Antec P180... maybe I will buy a new HDD too, this 120gb Maxtor is kinda loud and slow. (I don't even list it in my sig, it's embarassing.)
 
I voted for the RAM, I would throw in 2 gig of some good stuff since I have average RAM, and I would get a better PSU. I have a good one, but I would get more power, since you can never have too much. I just got an X1800XT and a 4400+ X2.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
So lets see what the users think about this situation.

You have $300.00 to spend to enhance your gaming experience TODAY. What do you spend the money on and in result you will have a better gaming experience after installing the equipment. This isn't a thread about the promises of Ageia, Havok, ATi, and Nvidia nor is it about tech demos so please don't bother with the banter.
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Or secret option #5. A new Cpu
 
Firebat said:
Or secret option #5. A new Cpu
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Yeah, I tried to hit the back button right after I created the poll with no sucess. I can't figure out how to change the amount of options or simply the text.

I would have liked to add an option for a new CPU and then an "other".
 
Atho I already have 2 system with PPU, I can buy a third one for my third PC. But I need €2000,- It a complete botleneck.
 
this poll doesnt work.

you cant have both a second 7900GT/X1800XT option splits the results.

and "faster" or "more" ram should be seperate.

course i do have $300 to upgrade my rig, infact i have $800 to do so, but im on AGP, so perhalps "save for future system" might be a good addition.
 
Well, I voted some time ago, so I figured I'd chime in.

At this moment, for $300 and no more, I selected additional RAM. If I were limited to the options in the poll, that's what I'd choose. Up from two gigs to four for a slight improvement in some games.

If there were an Other option, I would have selected it. Right now, sound is the missing piece in the puzzle as far as my gaming experience is concerned. For $300, I could pick up another set of bookshelves that would help improve gaming slightly.

Of course, I'm trying like hell to squeeze as much detail, clarity and presence as I can out of the insane audio overcompression used in the games today. If things were as they should be concerning game audio (little or no compression), I wouldn't have to try quite so hard to get games to sound as good as they look. id is currently one of the worst offenders, oddly enough.
 
but I am getting an Antec P180
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Awsome case, I recently bought one for my new setup and I can safely say (allthough Im sure you know) the case is silent and beautiful.
And yes Terra getting a Ban was about time. I never saw anyone who could pick at people in every possible way to incite flame wars whenever someone didnt agree.
 
The PPU is losing hardcore in this vote :D
 
I think this survey is asking a loaded question.
I didnt read the rest of the posts in this thread. I havnt been on here in a while, and I didnt feel like it.

A PPU does nothing for older games. And by older I mean anything that is out right now (unless you count poorly implemented visual effects.)

In the very near future there will be games that will not require a PPU, but will benefit to some scale from it. Some more than others (cell factor being at the greater end of it, UT2k7 at the lower)

The reason I think you are asking a loaded question, is because when I read your question, I ask myself a different question. I ask myself, what is the current bottleneck in my system? It's not the PPU, I havnt got one to bottleneck... But if you look at my sig, you can see that I've got more than $300 worth of bottlenecks...

Now if you asked me if I had $1500 to build a new system, what would I put in it? I would include a PPU on that list.
 
Well a lot of people think that 5: 100 vote result is a bad thing it is totaly not.
Is quiet much. Even 1 to 500 is a lot. For Hardware that only a few games use in a weak way. And a demo. Think wenn the killer app arive. Bad is 1 to 10000.
It will only grow harder wen more and populair games arive. In time it atractivness for Upgrading excels drastic.

It quit good I think. I already have upgraded becouse
Graw BOS and CF:CT attracted me. And curiousity.

Think wenn 20 games are out. And some use it good for a larger audience.
 
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