Gears of War gets a release date!!!

bazylik said:
Microsoft is forgetting that the first (and prolly the 2nd as well) shipment of PS3s will go to PS hardcore base and gold diggers, so by releasing Gears' date they do nothing to disrupt PS3 launch.

OT? I'm not surprised it has November's date. Can't wait, but the no demo before the game sucks.
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People who wait six hours on line for nothing might become second-guessers, which is exactly what Microsoft wants.
 
Erasmus354 said:
Oblivion is a large game wouldn't you say? With a huge gameworld full of diverse assets right? Obilivion fit on a single DVD...did you know that over half of the DVD was just audio? Seems to me like DVD9 is sufficient for 95% of games, and another 4% would work just fine on multiple discs. There are very few games that "just have to have" that extra space. Unless of course they want to store hours of uncompressed FMV just to say "we use up the entire 50GB Bluray disc!" :rolleyes:
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1. Oblivion's textures look like ass.
2. It was designed from the ground up for the Xbox 360.

The game fills the entire disc. If single layer DVDs were 7GB, they'd have used every byte of that space.
 
pr0pensity said:
The game fills the entire disc. If single layer DVDs were 7GB, they'd have used every byte of that space.
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Also theres talk about doing multi region PS3 game releases, the blue ray disc would hold localisations for Asia, Europe and America which would be pretty damn nice but also add time to game releases if they do it.
 
pr0pensity said:
1. Oblivion's textures look like ass.
2. It was designed from the ground up for the Xbox 360.

The game fills the entire disc. If single layer DVDs were 7GB, they'd have used every byte of that space.
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How in the world do Oblivion's textures look like ass? It is by far the best looking RPG i've seen at this point in time. So what if it was designed for the X360? It runs and works fine on a PC right?(with the exception of the many bugs). Whether you are running it in 720p on the X360, or running it in 1600x1200 on a PC, it looks damn nice.
 
pr0pensity said:
1. Oblivion's textures look like ass.
2. It was designed from the ground up for the Xbox 360.

The game fills the entire disc. If single layer DVDs were 7GB, they'd have used every byte of that space.
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What does that have to do with anything? and number 1 is an option because although I do think some are bad, most aren't.

Gears of War has xbox360 in mind. Care to comment?
 
pr0pensity said:
1. Oblivion's textures look like ass.
2. It was designed from the ground up for the Xbox 360.

The game fills the entire disc. If single layer DVDs were 7GB, they'd have used every byte of that space.
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1. Oblivion's distance textures looked like ass on the PC as well and that isn't a platform that is limited by space.

2. No it wasn't; it was in dual-development for both the PC and X360.
 
bazylik said:
Microsoft is forgetting that the first (and prolly the 2nd as well) shipment of PS3s will go to PS hardcore base and gold diggers, so by releasing Gears' date they do nothing to disrupt PS3 launch.

OT? I'm not surprised it has November's date. Can't wait, but the no demo before the game sucks.
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The goal of launching Gears when they are is probably not to hurt Sony's sales. I am sure anyone with half a brain and the smallest bit of experience with console launches and economics knows that the PS3 will sell out regardless. However, Gears can do a lot to take the hype away from the launch. If Gears can get people who weren't going to buy a PS3 anyways to ignore any hype from PS3 and look at the hype of Gears then it is a win for Microsoft. That is all they are hoping to achieve by launching Gears when they are.
 
Erasmus354 said:
The goal of launching Gears when they are is probably not to hurt Sony's sales. I am sure anyone with half a brain and the smallest bit of experience with console launches and economics knows that the PS3 will sell out regardless. However, Gears can do a lot to take the hype away from the launch. If Gears can get people who weren't going to buy a PS3 anyways to ignore any hype from PS3 and look at the hype of Gears then it is a win for Microsoft. That is all they are hoping to achieve by launching Gears when they are.
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It's my opinion that this launch date isn't intended really at all to take away from the hype but take advantage of the hype. In those weeks there will be a large abundance of gamers located in and around large retailers. Those who can't get their hands on a PS3 will have other options (XBOX360) and an incentive to do so (Gears of War.)

That coupled with possible price cuts, and lucrative bundles. PS3 has a tough holiday battle ahead of them.
 
PikachuMan said:
Irrelevant.
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Wrong. It is completely relevant. When there is a price gap of ~$200 between two quite comprable gaming machines it begs the question, what for? Among other lesser things Blu-Ray is the majority of this price gap.

Then the thought occurs, what do I get for Blu-Ray??? You get what could be the next-gen in digital media. To me, that isn't worth ~$200. Especially when previous gaming trends are saying that DVD9 will do more than suffice for the next generation of gaming.


PikachuMan said:
Consoles are supposed to be made for their whole lifetime (usually 4 or 5 years)

Will your last-gen technology stand up till 2010 (or later)?
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In short, yes.

Here's why.

Ever heard of .kkrieger? It is why I believe that Sony has gambled alot on a reletively infantile part of the gaming indusrty.

We'll see.
 
pr0pensity said:
1. Oblivion's textures look like ass.
2. It was designed from the ground up for the Xbox 360.

The game fills the entire disc. If single layer DVDs were 7GB, they'd have used every byte of that space.
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1. Opinion, arguing with you here would be pointless. I'm curious, however, as to what textures are of your standards.

2. It wasn't, it was designed for both PC and Xbox 360.

I'm not sure if you're guessing here, the DVDs used for both Xbox and Xbox360 (DVD9) are ~8.4 GB in size. So, they aren't 7GB. Which means that not every byte of space was used. To some up my reply. No, it doesn't fill the entire disc, and isn't all that close.

Was that a shot in the dark??
 
adam7488 said:
Wrong. It is completely relevant. When there is a price gap of ~$200 between two quite comprable gaming machines it begs the question, what for? Among other lesser things Blu-Ray is the majority of this price gap.

Then the thought occurs, what do I get for Blu-Ray??? You get what could be the next-gen in digital media. To me, that isn't worth ~$200. Especially when previous gaming trends are saying that DVD9 will do more than suffice for the next generation of gaming..
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Would you like to be happy if present consoles were still using CDs? Maybe tape-decks would be okay for you. Why do you hate technology so much? Why must the whole industry be retarded because of you?

Where did you get $200 from? Last I checked the $499 PS3 comes with everything the premium Xbox360 comes with, and a blu-ray player. Math, $499- $399 = $100. Or maybe you are one of those fanatics who choose numbers based on convenience, rather than truth. Typical deception we expect from the Microsoft-!!!!!! camp.

Face it, any logical person would prefer we use a 50 gigabye disc instead of the last-gen 8.5 gigabyte discs we have now. The only reason we have this 'debate' is because you people are trying to justify being stuck with the shortcomings of your precius Xbox console.

I call it sour grapes. You wanted a next-gen console early, and spent $400 for an Xbox. Now you're stuck with a last-gen media, and as the industry passes you by, you cry "no i didn't want it anyway :(". Get over it.
 
well, the 200 difference... IS because of bluray...but then again... bluray player = 999... on the ps3... its 200...

btw, someone asked earlier if games will be released on blu-ray discs and the answer from what ive read quite some time ago is that games WILL be released on blu-ray discs

again, most games will not need 25/50 gigs... but jrpgs can utilize the space... jrpgs was one of the distinguishing genres for the ps2... i.e. the bluray discs will most likely come into use...

i think all true gamers will be picking up the 600 version of the ps3... since the 500 version is absolute crap and is just a lame marketing ploy that wont really do all that hot (imho), so the price difference is indeed 200

oh and for all of you who think that gears of war will mellow down the ps3 launch... well, it wont... the ps3 will sell out because there are definitely enough rich and blindlessly loyal sony fans out there to cover for launch consoles... and also, if you walk into a store looking for a ps3 and dont get one, theres no way youll drop it and pick up a 360 instead... its a concept that will not happen.. u dont walk into a digital camera store wanting to buy a particular camera, finding its out of stock and then buying another instead... just not the way it works...

but... ps3 launch will not be incredibly hot, itll last for a short duration after which the Wii will take over in sales for a considerable amount of time, the 360 will stay steady... but when the price of the ps3 drops and the good games start getting released for the ps3, sales will pick up again and thats when the ps3 battle starts... it doesnt start this november... nov is more of a preview for the blindlessly rich... or the blindlessly blind... (like me)... with the ps2 still kicking ass in sales... how well the ps3 does at launch is really not all that big a deal... since sooner or later, when the ps2 buyers are ready to convert to something better... they will most likely pick up a ps3
 
PikachuMan said:
Would you like to be happy if present consoles were still using CDs? Maybe tape-decks would be okay for you. Why do you hate technology so much? Why must the whole industry be retarded because of you?

Where did you get $200 from? Last I checked the $499 PS3 comes with everything the premium Xbox360 comes with, and a blu-ray player. Math, $499- $399 = $100. Or maybe you are one of those fanatics who choose numbers based on convenience, rather than truth. Typical deception we expect from the Microsoft-!!!!!! camp.

Face it, any logical person would prefer we use a 50 gigabye disc instead of the last-gen 8.5 gigabyte discs we have now. The only reason we have this 'debate' is because you people are trying to justify being stuck with the shortcomings of your precius Xbox console.

I call it sour grapes. You wanted a next-gen console early, and spent $400 for an Xbox. Now you're stuck with a last-gen media, and as the industry passes you by, you cry "no i didn't want it anyway :(". Get over it.
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Because blu-ray is going to be the format of choice

OH WAIT THAT'S RIGHT NO ONE KNOWS! Welcome to a year of discussion
 
PikachuMan said:
Would you like to be happy if present consoles were still using CDs? Maybe tape-decks would be okay for you. Why do you hate technology so much? Why must the whole industry be retarded because of you?
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If that media was capable of conveniently supporting an entire industry for the next 5-6 years, then yes. Absolutely. Is that the case?? I don't believe so.

DVD9 is capable of doing so, I have evidence to back this up. So why should I spend ~$100-$200 (Is that ok?) on something that will serve no benefit to me at all???

You seem to stretch what you read into far more generic subjects. At no point, did I state or imply that I hate technology, or am bringing down the apocolypse on an entire industry. You are completely overreacting over a post. Try to argue with my posts directly rather than posting absolutely outlandish accusations.

You're giving the impression you can't controly our anger.


PikachuMan said:
Where did you get $200 from? Last I checked the $499 PS3 comes with everything the premium Xbox360 comes with, and a blu-ray player. Math, $499- $399 = $100. Or maybe you are one of those fanatics who choose numbers based on convenience, rather than truth. Typical deception we expect from the Microsoft-!!!!!! camp.
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Is there anything else you'd like to tell me about me??? Again, you take things that I said and push them to an extreme. I don't have an Xbox 360 yet I'm apparently one of Microsoft Gang.

As far as price comparison, fair enough. My argument remians the same.



PikachuMan said:
Face it, any logical person would prefer we use a 50 gigabye disc instead of the last-gen 8.5 gigabyte discs we have now. The only reason we have this 'debate' is because you people are trying to justify being stuck with the shortcomings of your precius Xbox console.
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Based on prior trends, whether they prefer it or not is irrelevant and won't be for quite some time. That extra 40GB of space is unnecessary to a great degree. Statistical awareness should make this blatently clear.

Guess not?


PikachuMan said:
I call it sour grapes. You wanted a next-gen console early, and spent $400 for an Xbox. Now you're stuck with a last-gen media, and as the industry passes you by, you cry "no i didn't want it anyway :(". Get over it.
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Again I find you telling me about me. I haven't bought the console. I'm not stuck with last-gen media, because I haven't bought the thing yet.

The most unnerving part about your argument, besides the price comparison, is the complete lack of evidence to support your statements. You rant about the Xbox 360's incompetent media, and back it up with nothing. While on the other hand, I lecture and have substantial evidence to support what I'm saying. You continue to ramble about facts that are completely unknown to you.

Argue constructively or don't at all.
 
Geez, talk about a fan-boy calling someone else a fan-boy. You make it sound like Blu-Ray is the best thing to come since sliced tofu. This is not a media war that will get settled next year. I don't know if you've heard of it, but there is another competitive format out there called HD-DVD. Are you such an elitest where if you don't have the latest BD-rom player, you are hopelessly outdated? Why should a format be shoved down your throat in the interest of a company pushing their agenda? Even when there is yet a game to even come close to filling up a DVD-9 disc, you make it sound like we are stuck with something dating back to the VHS days. Games cost enough to develop as it is right now, and they are only using about half of a DVD-9 disc for the largest game out on the X360. With today's HD content being so expensive to develop, they are not going to make a lot of extra crap just for the sake of filling up a BD disc. If a game finally comes out that does require 2 or 3 DVD's, is it really going to hurt to flip in a new disc halfway through a game? Comparing this issue to the days when consoles used standard CD's is a moot point. There were numerous games back then that really spanned many CD's and it was simply more cost efficient to move to a single DVD, not to mention convenient. However, with all of the bitching going on about the high cost of developing content at this point in time, I just don't see how there will be many games that willl even just fill up a single DVD-9, let alone having to span 2 of them. Oblivion is the biggest game out right now, and it still only fills up about half of a DVD-9 disc. This is a game that offers 250+ hours of gameplay, with a hell of a lot of that space going towads audio. This is a game that took 4 years to develop, and who knows how much money to develop. Putting it into this context, will a developer really spend the time and money to make a whole bunch of cgi stuff just for the sake of filling up the disc? The X360 has about 4 more years left until the next Xbox will probably hit the market. Because of the steam HD-DVD has gained recently, this format war might not even be determined by then. If you think BD was going to win, you'll have to rethink that as it has gotten a surprising amount of publisher and retailer support lately. The fact that a good stand alone HD-DVD player is half the price of a BD player, and the same price as a cheap PS3 doesn't hurt either. People don't hate technology, but they hate being forced to purchase something they don't want to. This is especially true when this is causing a console to cost a lot more than it's competition. Microsoft has chosen a strategy that allows people to buy the base game console at a good low price(comparatively speaking), and then gives them the option of upgrading to HD-DVD. Sony has chosen to force people to have a BD player, and are charging them a premium for it.

You can use fuzzy math to determine the pricing, but the difference is $200. What's the use of a BD player when you don't have HDMI/DVI outputs on it? Casual gamers also look at price. They are going to see a premium X360 selling for $400, and the premium PS3 selling for $600. You guys also can't talk about deception, as Sony has been far more deceptive in recent years than many companies. Microsoft has delivered on everything they promised for the X360, and let's hope Sony does the same.

What I don't understand is this elitest attitude that you take with X360 supporters in this forum. What you determine to be a shortcoming of a console is completely relative to what you expect from it. For $400, I think that this console has been a bargain compared to the amount of processing power under the hood. Most of bought the X360 precisely because we wanted a next gen console early. It's will be a year shortly, and Microsoft still doesn't have a competitor on the market. I'd say that they are doing pretty well. I will not deny that I have become a Microsoft fan-boy lately. You are talking to a former PC elitest who would have never touched a console except to play the latest MVP baseball(RIP), and the latest madden. The fact that Microsoft could create something to win someone like me over to the "dark" side is a testament to the incredible job they have done to win people over. I don't think that you can deny where your allegience stands either. I honestly believe that many bittle people who stand on that side of the line are afraid. I believe that the thought that a new console could emerge on top displacing their favorite scares the hell out of these people. You claim that we hate technology and are just making excuses to compensate for the lack of technology in our consoles. Considering that this console came out last year, that's a moot argument. By comparison, I believe that many PS3 elitists are using the reverse of these arguments to make excuses themselves. Every argument you made can be reversed and used as an excuse to insult those who own an X360 and love every bit of it. Especially with both consoles being very equal in terms of the amount of power under the hood, I don't think the industry is going to pass us by. You want a next gen storage format? You can sure buy the add-on drive, but at least you arn't forced into adopting it without a choice.

PikachuMan said:
Would you like to be happy if present consoles were still using CDs? Maybe tape-decks would be okay for you. Why do you hate technology so much? Why must the whole industry be retarded because of you?

Where did you get $200 from? Last I checked the $499 PS3 comes with everything the premium Xbox360 comes with, and a blu-ray player. Math, $499- $399 = $100. Or maybe you are one of those fanatics who choose numbers based on convenience, rather than truth. Typical deception we expect from the Microsoft-!!!!!! camp.

Face it, any logical person would prefer we use a 50 gigabye disc instead of the last-gen 8.5 gigabyte discs we have now. The only reason we have this 'debate' is because you people are trying to justify being stuck with the shortcomings of your precius Xbox console.

I call it sour grapes. You wanted a next-gen console early, and spent $400 for an Xbox. Now you're stuck with a last-gen media, and as the industry passes you by, you cry "no i didn't want it anyway :(". Get over it.
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THIS THREAD IS FOR TALK ABOUT GEARS OF WAR NOT ABOUT CONSOLE WARS!!!


now can we please get back on topic before this thread gets locked? If you have any final rebuttles to say to someone, send them a PM and dont post it in here.
 
Exactly. This is probably by far the biggest response I've ever gotten for a thread I've created. Unfortunately over half of it has gone completely off topic. :( :p

Anyway, to get it back on topic I once again say that I'm looking forward to GOW. :D
 
Sorry for highjacking your thread.

3rd person shooters tend to make me very motion sick, so I hope that's not the case with GOW when it comes out. The sheer level of blood and gore is what appeals to me about this game. When you slice something open with a chainsaw, it should bleed, not be politically correct.
 
Jerome36 said:
Exactly. This is probably by far the biggest response I've ever gotten for a thread I've created. Unfortunately over half of it has gone completely off topic. :( :p

Anyway, to get it back on topic I once again say that I'm looking forward to GOW. :D
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I'm sorry about that (I won't post anymore off-topic stuff in here).

I am looking forward to Gears of War as well. The gameplay adds in some tactical elements, which should be pretty entertaining (especially if the Cliffy-B guy does his awesome level design).

Though, what is stopping this from becoming another Unreal 2? I'm sure it'll be a good game, but all this hype doesn't seem warranted.
 
Netrat33 said:
Blue Dragon, Gears of War, Elemental Arms, Forbidden Planet, and many of the same games that will be on PS3 (Army of two, GTA4, RE5 and so on)

360 seemed like a good enough deal for me to buy it a bit early (Last Sunday :D )

And I hated the original Xbox line of games.
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Okay, you guys are missing the point.

The person I quoted's argument was that Gears of War ALONE was a reason to skip on a PS3.

Next, to the geniuses that used Oblivion as an example:
Did it ever occur to you that games have been steadily increasing in space required on the medium?
Take a look at games 5 years ago, and one now.
Now, seeing as how videogame console generations last just about 5 years nowadays, and that Oblivion was close to filling up the DVD's they were stored on (or so I read), I'd think it's just about time to up the capacity, don't ya think?
Precisely.
 
The18thLetter said:
Okay, you guys are missing the point.

The person I quoted's argument was that Gears of War ALONE was a reason to skip on a PS3.

Next, to the geniuses that used Oblivion as an example:
Did it ever occur to you that games have been steadily increasing in space required on the medium?
Take a look at games 5 years ago, and one now.
Now, seeing as how videogame console generations last just about 5 years nowadays, and that Oblivion was close to filling up the DVD's they were stored on (or so I read), I'd think it's just about time to up the capacity, don't ya think?
Precisely.
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Incorrect. Here's why

Back on topic.

Gears of War will probably be what finally pushes me over to buy the Xbox 360. I'm hoping for a price cut.
 
adam7488 said:
Incorrect. Here's why

Back on topic.

Gears of War will probably be what finally pushes me over to buy the Xbox 360. I'm hoping for a price cut.
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Well, Oblivion isn't in that link, so I think it's safe to assume that what I read was correct and that it was fairly close to filling up a DVD9 (and by fairly close I mean a gig or 2 away from doing so).
But, we shall see in a few years if DVD9 is really enough for the NEXT generation of games (not just ports and modern games with "advanced" graphics).

Back on topic!
 
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