Updated US sales numbers

ReubenRosa said:
Seriously what did they do horribly wrong? What did they do that was so horrible that would actually cause people to not buy the ps3?
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"The first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games"

Not good enough for you? :D
 
ReubenRosa said:
....Seriously what did they do horribly wrong? What did they do that was so horrible that would actually cause people to not buy the ps3?
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Where have you been for the last 3 months? Root Kits, "PS3 IS a computer, and because it is a computer we give you the gimp PS3 with NO HDMI". "PS3 will determine when TRUE HD is here" or some crap like that. I could go on forever, but I'm done.

Wii along with D.S. lites F.T.W + 360 come price drop, I'll let others pay 600$ for system and 70$ a pop for WEAK launch titles :) And I BETTER get the one with 8 fully functional cores if I ever eventually get one :p
 
Lord Nassirbannipal said:
No one ever said that it's catastrophic; however, a console has never won without Japan, and it certainly is a big deal that the 360 can't sell at all in a major market.

Whether the new exclusives will make a difference remains to be seen, but you can say that about 360 and Wii exclusives as well. I was simply replying to the statement that it wouldn't have the same exclusives. Take it as you will.
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I understand what you mean, but there is always a time for industry firsts in a rather volatile market. While there are lots of people who will no doubt buy launch PS3 units in Japan, how many people there really have the disposable income to spend the equivalent of $600 + the cost of games for a console? Especially with Toshiba's HD-DVD format doing relatively well, this entire blu-ray thing is going to make people hesitant. If HD-DVD keeps gaining steam, I think Sony's decision to adopt blu-ray in the PS3 could actually hurt sales. With the cost of living being pretty high over in Japan, I think many of them might actually consider going the Revolution route. Also, the X360 isn't doomed yet in Japan. If Microsoft can release titles that are favorable to the culture there, they may be able to perform a nice salvage operation. Miyamoto-san is probably smiling at his fortunes. If Nintendo can release before Sony can, that could mean trouble in Japan. Anyway, let's wait and see what predictions will come true. At this point, I hope that Microsoft is prepared to realize that Nintendo may be their biggest threat.
 
Anyone who thinks that the PS3 will not sell out in both the US and Japan within hours of launch in dreaming. The name alone will carry it. $600 vs. $400 is not that big of a difference. While $200 may be a considerable amount to a starving college student, to your average family or anyone with a decent job that is nothing.

Also, keep in mind this is a tech forum, walk up to the average guy on the street and ask what a rootkit is and he will probably tell you it is some form of dental work.

As far as HD-DVD goes, I have yet to see any advertising going on for it, while on the other hand I have seen several commercials for movies coming out that end with 'availible on DVD, Blu-Ray, and UMD' on such and such a date. If there is one thing Sony can do well, it is marketing, and that is where these wars are won.
 
NulloModo said:
Anyone who thinks that the PS3 will not sell out in both the US and Japan within hours of launch in dreaming. The name alone will carry it. $600 vs. $400 is not that big of a difference. While $200 may be a considerable amount to a starving college student, to your average family or anyone with a decent job that is nothing...
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Oprah just had a debt professional on her show and they were talking about the american debt problem. They said that 2/3rds of americans are living PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK! That means if they were to loose their jobs and not find one within 2 weeks, they would be sqqrrreewwweeedd. 700$ could be a payment on a mortgage or rent, it's a nice sized car payment for the car that they just got done buying at a 14% interist rate ... Have ya filled up a car with gas lately??? People are much more price concious today than EVER before.

NulloModo said:
As far as HD-DVD goes, I have yet to see any advertising going on for it, while on the other hand I have seen several commercials for movies coming out that end with 'availible on DVD, Blu-Ray, and UMD' on such and such a date. If there is one thing Sony can do well, it is marketing, and that is where these wars are won.
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LOL Sonys Marketing, where have you been for the past 3 months? When the PS2 arrived, it came with an internal DVD player when DVD's were established in the market with no real competetor. Many times the PS2 was primarily used as a cheap DVD player that could play games, during the early stages when there were not as many good games out. Sony is FORCING Blue-Ray onto the consumors this round .. blha..bhanlah.. bhalll lbahhhh.. you know the rest..
 
Isaacav2 said:
Oprah just had a debt professional on her show and they were talking about the american debt problem. They said that 2/3rds of americans are living PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK! That means if they were to loose their jobs and not find one within 2 weeks, they would be sqqrrreewwweeedd. 700$ could be a payment on a mortgage or rent, it's a nice sized car payment for the car that they just got done buying at a 14% interist rate ... Have ya filled up a car with gas lately??? People are much more price concious today than EVER before.
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lol, with that logic I dont see why anybody would want to enter the console market. and where does 700 dollars come from? IIRC the ps3 is 500/600. 100 dollars difference between the highest 360 and lowest ps3 config.

Isaacav2 said:
Many times the PS2 was primarily used as a cheap DVD player that could play games, during the early stages when there were not as many good games out. Sony is FORCING Blue-Ray onto the consumors this round .. blha..bhanlah.. bhalll lbahhhh.. you know the rest..
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ps3's "forcing" of blu-ray is no different from ps2's "forcing" of dvd. both consoles shipped with only one choice of optical format.

Isaacav2 said:
I'll let others pay 600$ for system and 70$ a pop for WEAK launch titles
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It's obvious where your bias lies.
 
What does Rootkits ..on music cds.. have to do with the Console system?


NOTHING.

HDMI.... Oh my god.. that means 2% of the buying public will be so upset..
I worked in the retail industry.. you know many people still have Non-digital tvs compared to Digital HD ones? the number is astronomical. Not everyone has the money to own a 3k tv yet. Alot of people would just be fine and dandy to hook up their console to their Regular 30inch tv. Its not like the average college student has a hidef TV in his dorm? Just because this website represents the digital elite.. doesn't mean that is the majority of the buying public. sony has the means to do survey's of their customers they have a greater idea of who can afford what.. and who owns what.

3 years from now this maybe different... but at this time it is not a pressing concern.
Again.. .. still nothing has been stated that would be such a mistake as to cause the majority to not buy the ps3 on day one.
 
Isaacav2 said:
Oprah just had a debt professional on her show and they were talking about the american debt problem. They said that 2/3rds of americans are living PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK! That means if they were to loose their jobs and not find one within 2 weeks, they would be sqqrrreewwweeedd. 700$ could be a payment on a mortgage or rent, it's a nice sized car payment for the car that they just got done buying at a 14% interist rate ... Have ya filled up a car with gas lately??? People are much more price concious today than EVER before.
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First of all, I don't watch Oprah *cough* pussy *cough* (I kid, I kid ;) ). However, even if only 10% of that remaining 1/3 buy on launch day, that is still way more potential customers than availible systems. As the price drops more and more will pick it up. Launching right before the holiday season is always a good idea too. When little Johnny begs his parents for a PS3, that is what they are going to get him.

And yes, I am painfully aware of how much gas costs. My gas bill per month is higher than my car payment and my insurance put together, and I have a fuel effecient vehicle.

As for living paycheck to paycheck: why do you think that is? One big reason is that people just don't save. When they get money they spend it, including spending it on things like new toys such as a PS3.


LOL Sonys Marketing, where have you been for the past 3 months? When the PS2 arrived, it came with an internal DVD player when DVD's were established in the market with no real competetor. Many times the PS2 was primarily used as a cheap DVD player that could play games, during the early stages when there were not as many good games out. Sony is FORCING Blue-Ray onto the consumors this round .. blha..bhanlah.. bhalll lbahhhh.. you know the rest..
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And what is so funny about Sony's marketing? Remember, most people do not follow E3, press releases, etc. They know what they see on TV commercials and print ads. Forcing blu-ray is a good idea, the format war needs to end, and it needs to end fast. If Sony can get a huge install base for blu-ray early out, then everyone wins.
 
E3 is designed for Magazines and websites. ITs not aimed for the average consumer.
That's why when people make a huge deal about something said at E3 its stupid.
When the game or product is released and people can buy it.. then boom then the reality will be known. :)

Till then its all Foolish opinions based on !!!!!!sm. I am just posting my opinion based on experience in the field and Based on the track records of the companies in question.
 
NulloModo said:
And yes, I am painfully aware of how much gas costs. My gas bill per month is higher than my car payment and my insurance put together, and I have a fuel effecient vehicle.
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Try living in a country that taxes gasoline heavily. :( In the UK I pay the equiv of $7.30 per gallon.
 
Psychotext said:
Try living in a country that taxes gasoline heavily. :( In the UK I pay the equiv of $7.30 per gallon.
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But depending on where you live in the UK you at least have very well designed and developed public transportation systems. I spent a semester in London a couple years ago, and honestly, I would love to live in a place where I could just buy a rail card to get around and not even have to worry about having a car.
 
NulloModo said:
Anyone who thinks that the PS3 will not sell out in both the US and Japan within hours of launch in dreaming. The name alone will carry it. $600 vs. $400 is not that big of a difference. While $200 may be a considerable amount to a starving college student, to your average family or anyone with a decent job that is nothing.
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http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/kutara...rnal-sony-strife--ps3-seen-as-risk-187680.php - insider discussion

Kutaragi is interested only in consoles and technology. He does not care about the market. Some SCE officers disagree with his approach, feeling that the company should be more market sensitive. Kutaragi does not care. Nintendo has shown that it isn't only about powerful technology and graphics, but the PS3 isn't geared for that market at all and is intended for a very specific customer.
Within Sony, the different divisions have discordant views on what the PlayStation 3 actually is. Some divisions view the machine as a game machine, while other divisions view it as a home electronic device (like a TV or a video player). Some SCE officers are worried about hitting the console's target consumer. As a game machine, it's very expensive for many players and not exactly something parents would buy for their children. As an electronic device, the inclusion of a game player could be off-turn for those only interested in electronics and Blu-ray. There's concern within Sony that both groups could be alienated.

It's not possible for most developers to calculate the cost of making PS3 games. And it doesn't help that even last month, Sony kept delaying development tools. Many small and medium-sized developers are not making PS3 games, because costs are astronomical. Instead, they are switching to the Wii, the DS and the Xbox 360. Everyone sees developing for the PlayStation 3 as a risk.
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So the companies who make successful games (games that sell)
can afford to make games for the PS3. Is that it in a nutshell?

Plus ... this is a Rumor....I love it from a Quality Source.. who has worked in the game industry for years.. .. he could be a friggin janitor for all we know.

Rumor links posted as facts are worthless in any argument.

I used to hear so much misinformation about a Retail chain... then I worked for them.
And I learned what people thought was fact.. was a good 80% BS. MAny times it was information spread by Angry ex-workers with an axe to grind.
 
Oh, it's definately a rumour... but it's a persistant one, that has appeared more than once from more than one source on many many sites... many times over the last half year. Take it for what it's worth, but know that this rumour isn't a lonely one. This isn't fortunate for Sony.
 
I am sure the PS3 will sell out at launch (I will be waiting in line for one :) ). Almost all major systems do. That much is a no-brainer. The real question is whether it will continue to sell after all the initial rush of hardcore gamers. I have a feeling Sony will do just fine, though I doubt there will be a runaway win like there was in the last generation. I can definitely see things tightening up a bit, which I think is a good thing.
 
NulloModo said:
And yes, I am painfully aware of how much gas costs. My gas bill per month is higher than my car payment and my insurance put together, and I have a fuel effecient vehicle.
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:eek: How much do you drive a month? I fill up my tank 4-5 times a month (car gets about 25-28 mpg, I drive the car roughly 1600 miles per month) and my monthly gasoline costs are about $160 - 200.

ReubenRosa said:
So the companies who make successful games (games that sell)
can afford to make games for the PS3. Is that it in a nutshell?
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Sounds more like cost of PS3 games will shut out small timers without big pockets, meaning that only the megacorp game companies (Activision, EA, SquareEnix, Ubisoft, Konami, etc.) will be able to pay to play. Of course...I can't remember the last time I played a small developer's game on my PS2 (unless NIS games count).

Whatever it is, I'll definitely be getting a Wii first. Then when the PS3 gets the games I really care about (Kingdom Hearts 3, FF XIII, maybe other stuff) I'll get that. And when XBox 360 gets some games I care about, perhaps I'll jump on that too, whenever that is.
 
Yet lots of people shelled out 600-1000 dollars when the 360 came out so they could have one or could sell on Ebay, or waited hours in lines.
Is that so different from the 600 price tag for the PS3? More competition means that the products will eventually get better and will lead to more price drops or better games.
I'm not a big fan of Sony, but there are people here that wouldn't buy sony even if the product worked perfect and sent a supermodel over to your house to spend every weekend with you.
We should wait till it comes out, THEN make a decision based on actual hardware and games, not possibly biased posts or articles. But just my 2 cents though... :rolleyes:
 
BillLeeLee said:
:eek: How much do you drive a month? I fill up my tank 4-5 times a month (car gets about 25-28 mpg, I drive the car roughly 1600 miles per month) and my monthly gasoline costs are about $160 - 200.
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Around 2500 miles a month

Sounds more like cost of PS3 games will shut out small timers without big pockets, meaning that only the megacorp game companies (Activision, EA, SquareEnix, Ubisoft, Konami, etc.) will be able to pay to play. Of course...I can't remember the last time I played a small developer's game on my PS2 (unless NIS games count).

Whatever it is, I'll definitely be getting a Wii first. Then when the PS3 gets the games I really care about (Kingdom Hearts 3, FF XIII, maybe other stuff) I'll get that. And when XBox 360 gets some games I care about, perhaps I'll jump on that too, whenever that is.
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I have played some small developer games on my PS2, but EA et. al. seem to make up the majority of the ones I have when I look at my shelf. I am sure the small developers will start to jump on board as soon as things with the dev. kits settle down and they see the market penetration the system gets however.
 
NulloModo said:
But depending on where you live in the UK you at least have very well designed and developed public transportation systems. I spent a semester in London a couple years ago, and honestly, I would love to live in a place where I could just buy a rail card to get around and not even have to worry about having a car.
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Sadly london isn't a good example of the rest of the UK's public transportation systems.
 
Bad_Boy said:
lol, with that logic I dont see why anybody would want to enter the console market. and where does 700 dollars come from?
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What??? The 700$ comes from (599$ + game + extra controller (tax)) The HD era of gaming "Starts with the PS3" so why would you buy one without HDMI? Wasnt it supposed to have 2 of them?

Bad_Boy said:
ps3's "forcing" of blu-ray is no different from ps2's "forcing" of dvd. both consoles shipped with only one choice of optical format.
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Wrong, DVD was established. People liked DVD.

Bad_Boy said:
It's obvious where your bias lies.
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I guess we are all bias in a way, but I don't lie. I have bias twords Nintendo and PC, on certain cars, on certain professions, on certain kinda women... I am bias to a degree.... WOOPPPTTYYYYY DOOOOOO!!!!!
:p
 
The_Law said:
Why do you think so many PS2s are still selling? Obviously there is a huge library of games there, but you would think that anyone who was going to buy one would have it by now. Maybe some of the older ones crapped out on people? Or maybe just a switch to the slim unit?

This really is just a question. It is not some !!!! post that is trying to make a point.
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Well I'm a logn time PC gamer, but not much of a console gamer, and I just bought one.

The reason for buying a console is that I wanted a game platform two people could play at the same time without spending huge ammounts of cash.

The reason for the PS2 was price, price, and titles. The console was the right price, and they have a tone of titles out at $20 a pop. On top of that, My console owning friends also have PS2s so we can share games etc.

The price is hard to argue with.
 
junehhan said:
While we are tossing around rumors,.here is a research study done by DFC Intelligence or whoever they are. There is a summary of the study at teamxbox at this link

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/11380/Report-The-Fight-for-Number-One-in-Video-Games/
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I fail to see how Microsoft can be number 1 in worldwide marketshare if they can't sell worth-a-damn in Japan (one of the largest gaming markets). It would require them to massively overtake the competition by massive amounts in the other regions. So far, it's sold what... 3 million worldwide? Maybe 3 and a half? I don't even think they'll hit their 10 million target by Christmas, though we should check up on this thread by 2011 :p
 
tosp said:
So far, it's sold what... 3 million worldwide? Maybe 3 and a half?
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Last I read, they were at 5 million shipped. Not that shipped means anything.
 
Psychotext said:
Last I read, they were at 5 million shipped. Not that shipped means anything.
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Yeah, shipped doesn't mean much. They've sold 2 million in the US and I'm sure over a million worldwide, it's just a matter of finding the difference. Their strongest market is the US, however, so I don't think they've sold over 4 as of yet.

Here is a proper summary of DFC's 600 page report:
http://next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3442&Itemid=2&limit=1&limitstart=0
 
Isaacav2 said:
What??? The 700$ comes from (599$ + game + extra controller (tax)) The HD era of gaming "Starts with the PS3" so why would you buy one without HDMI? Wasnt it supposed to have 2 of them?
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how is that fair? you mine as well add in the extra controller for the 360 as well. Where do you come up with 100 dollar price for a controller anyways?

Isaacav2 said:
Wrong, DVD was established. People liked DVD.
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PS2 still "forced" dvd on you if you put it that way. There was only one choice for an optical drive. There was no other console at the time with DVD capibilities. If the ps3 had HD-DVD, it would still be "forced" with the logic of your orginal statement.

I guess we are all bias in a way, but I don't lie. I have bias twords Nintendo and PC, on certain cars, on certain professions, on certain kinda women... I am bias to a degree.... WOOPPPTTYYYYY DOOOOOO!!!!!
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I never said you lie bro, but you obviously are twisting the subject to the likings of your own opinions. Saying the launch titles suck, exaggerating numbers, etc.
 
tosp said:
I fail to see how Microsoft can be number 1 in worldwide marketshare if they can't sell worth-a-damn in Japan (one of the largest gaming markets). It would require them to massively overtake the competition by massive amounts in the other regions. So far, it's sold what... 3 million worldwide? Maybe 3 and a half? I don't even think they'll hit their 10 million target by Christmas, though we should check up on this thread by 2011 :p
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Even if you really do your research like these guys seem to have done, it doesn't mean their prediction will be right. If you do your research on a particular subject matter, it does mean that you have a much higher chance of being right.
 
Microsoft expected to have 5 million shipped by the end of June, but as far as we know, they didn't acheive this.

The 360 has just recently hit the 2 million sold mark in the US, so even if we were to be nice and say that it's sold a combined 2 million in Europe and Australia(because they can't give the damn thing away in Japan), that's 4 million total.

IMO, I think the actual number sold worldwide is somewhere between 3.5 and 4 million, but even if it is 4mil, there's no way it's going to hit 10 million by the time the PS3 and Wii launch, and certainly not 12 million. It will probably hit somewhere between 5 and 6, which is about what the Dreamcast had sold by the launch of the PS2.

On another note, the PS2 outselling the 360 is excellent news for Sony, because there's less chance that those people will buy a 360. It may also mean that they won't buy a PS3 anytime soon either, but it's still a sale that's going to Sony and not Microsoft, and it's a user that Sony can tap later on for the PS3. Continued support of the PS2 allows Sony to battle Microsoft on both the high end and the low end. There's a reason that games like Final Fantasy XII and God Of War 2 are coming out for the PS2 and not the PS3.
 
Lord Nassirbannipal said:
There's a reason that games like Final Fantasy XII and God Of War 2 are coming out for the PS2 and not the PS3.
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Man, have you seen that PS2 future release list? You'd think the system had just been released with how long that list is.

Can't wait for: Valkyrie Profile: Silmeria, Disgaea 2, Rogue Galaxy, Final Fantasy XII, God of War 2, Tales of the Abyss...
 
Lord Nassirbannipal said:
...there's no way it's going to hit 10 million by the time the PS3 and Wii launch, and certainly not 12 million...
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Personally, I'm guessing they'll have sold 7+ million by the launch of the PS3. The second gen games are hitting in the next two months and plenty of people like me that have been waiting for solid content are about to snap them up. I don't even think that's going to be the main story though. I think they're going to fly off the shelves this xmas, not only because of the games, but also because I don't think there's a chance in hell Sony and Nintendo can supply enough equipment to meet demand. A lot of people say that this wont help MS, but having worked in retail in my early years, a decent sales person will have "average joe" walking out with a different type of console without breaking a sweat.

Especially as they'll be able to say that most of the games are available on both platforms anyway. (I appreciate that selling someone a 360 instead of a Nintendo would be more difficult.)

* Usual disclaimer, buying a Nintendo on release, getting the Sony when they're about half the price they're releasing it at *
 
Show me numbers that prove that Microsoft hasn't sold their projected number of units. Unless you can provide hard numbers, we just don't know. You can defend the PS3 all you want and I can defend the X360 all I want, and old Steveip(is he still banned?) can defend the Revolution all he wants, but we just won't know for sure till this fall. I honestly hope Sony falls on their ass this time around so that when the PS4 comes out, it will be back to the basics of what I expect for a gaming console. Microsoft has done a tremendous job, and they better realize they can't slack off when they get around to releasing the X720 or whatever it will be called in 4 years. Nintendo has a good thing going right now, but they know from first hand experience how harsh this market can be.
 
Psychotext said:
I think they're going to fly off the shelves this xmas, not only because of the games, but also because I don't think there's a chance in hell Sony and Nintendo can supply enough equipment to meet demand.
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Nintendo started Wii production in June, and Sony just started cranking out small amounts of PS3s at the beginning of this month. I think they're both trying to ignore the disastrous supply problems that the 360 had. While Sony may or may not meet their goal, Nintendo most definately will. They have all of their suppliers in check, and their PPC 750 chip isn't exactly the Cell.
 
Psychotext said:
Personally, I'm guessing they'll have sold 7+ million by the launch of the PS3. The second gen games are hitting in the next two months and plenty of people like me that have been waiting for solid content are about to snap them up. I don't even think that's going to be the main story though. I think they're going to fly off the shelves this xmas, not only because of the games, but also because I don't think there's a chance in hell Sony and Nintendo can supply enough equipment to meet demand. A lot of people say that this wont help MS, but having worked in retail in my early years, a decent sales person will have "average joe" walking out with a different type of console without breaking a sweat.
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Not necessarily.

If people want a PS3 and/or a Wii, then they aren't going to walk out with 360's if they can't find the former two consoles. I've worked in retail as well, and the PS2 had grotesque shortages, a very gaffe-prone launch, and not that many good games. Despite this, people did not walk out with the Dreamcast when they couldn't find it despite the fact that the DC was readily available and had far better games. They simply waited until the PS2 was available. That being said, a lot of people aren't buying the 360 because they're waiting for the PS3 and Wii.

7+ million? I doubt it. Maybe 6.5, but not 7+. After 8 months, it's only sold between 3.5 and 4 million. You also have to take into account that the 360 still has to compete with the PS2, as much a fans of the former console don't like to admit it. The PS2 has many more killer games that will be released in the coming months, and will continue to outsell the 360, which isn't good for Microsoft, because, as I stated, those are still sales that are going to Sony that would probably have gone to Microsoft if it weren't for the PS2.
 
Just as an interesting nugget of info - Sony managed to ship 10.61 million PS2 in the first 13 months of release. Not hard to see why MS would set that as an ideal target for themselves. Short of their new games creating a massive surge in interest, I just can't see them hitting that by November.

I imagine a lot of people will just be playing wait and see at this point.

[Just a quick edit to answer "Lord Nassirbannipal". The dreamcast / PS2 situation is not the same as 360 / PS3. Take a look at the launch list of PS3 games, you'll find that 50% of them are cross platform and this will make blurring the lines between them easier. Ignoring of course the fact that the games will initially look identical. One other thing, people buying PS2 right now would never have bought a 360. We're down at the impulse buy pricing area of the market at this point for the ps2. Games and hardware are extremely cheap which opens the console up to a much wider demographic than the 360 right now. I will agree that PS2 owners are more likely to go for a PS3, but only in 5 years time when they can pick them up for what people are getting the PS2 for now.]
 
Lord Nassirbannipal said:
Not necessarily.

If people want a PS3 and/or a Wii, then they aren't going to walk out with 360's if they can't find the former two consoles.
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Take a business class please. Consumer psychology and product placement can dissuade fans of other products.

Lord Nassirbannipal said:
I've worked in retail as well, and the PS2 had grotesque shortages, a very gaffe-prone launch, and not that many good games. Despite this, people did not walk out with the Dreamcast when they couldn't find it despite the fact that the DC was readily available and had far better games.
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Worst.Comparison.Ever.

1. Sega had next to no advertising.
2. The Dreamcast appealed to a completely different demographic.
3. The PS2 didn't have nearly as many technical problems as the PS3 has been having.
4. The PS2 didn't have some back-breaking bit of PR coming out every other week for it.
 
K600 said:
Take a business class please. Consumer psychology and product placement can dissuade fans of other products.
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I've already given you a historical example. If you want to ignore it, then that's your problem.

1. Sega had next to no advertising.
2. The Dreamcast appealed to a completely different demographic.
3. The PS2 didn't have nearly as many technical problems as the PS3 has been having.
4. The PS2 didn't have some back-breaking bit of PR coming out every other week for it.
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1. And yet it still managed to set sales records that would only be eclipsed by the PS2, and since you bring it up, MS's advertising hasn't been all that great either
2. It most certainly did not, and I don't where in the hell you're coming up with this. Just look at the games, and you can see that it targeted the same demographic.
3. Technical problems or not, Sony still did a rather poor job with the launch of the PS2.
4. Irrelevant. The average consumer doesn't keep up with press releases, nor do they have any clue as to what E3 is, so it really puzzles me as to why people on these boards keep bringing these two things up.

If the 360 were selling the way the DC or PS2 did, then you might have a point, but it's not.
 
I can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to argue that the Dreamcast and PS2 were aiming for the same demographic. The problem with your "historical example" is that it's complete bullshit and it's easily one of the worst comparisons that I've ever seen made on this forum.

Do you even know what a demographic is? Judging from your arguments here, I'd say you don't.

Please, compare the games. The Dreamcast appealed to the hardcore with quirky innovation and unmatched creativity. The PS2 appealed to the masses with formulaic action/sports/racing titles. Games like Jet Grind Radio, Sonic Adventure, Powerstone, Soul Calibur, Seaman, Crazy Taxi, Samba de Amigo, Shenmue, House of the Dead 2, Marvel Vs. Capcom, MDK2, Skies of Arcadia, Phantasy Star Online...the list goes on and on. The PS2 software was full of muddled, rehashed garbage that only sold because of the unbelievable hype that Sony generated.

It wasn't until very late in the PS2's lifecycle that a decent amount of innovative titles came out.

You say that the general populus doesn't pay attention to bad coverage but they obviously do, considering the fact that next to no hype exists for the PS3. During the summer before the PS2 launch, you couldn't talk about gaming without hearing some random bit of hype about the PS2. When you bring up the PS3, you see scowls of people who still aren't convinced that they should drop $500~600 to buy a system that doesn't seem to be offering anything new.
 
Lord Nassirbannipal said:
If the 360 were selling the way the DC or PS2 did, then you might have a point, but it's not.
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Umm, did you miss my post stating the 10 million shipped by Sony in first 13 months (That's from their annual reports btw)? How far off that do you really think MS will be in December? I bet even if they've only sold 6 million they'll find a way to ship 10 million. :)
 
How can you say a product has technical problems.. When its not owned by anyone? That is an anti-sony statement. IF you are going to argue use logic please.

His comparison is correct. and your rebuttle was weak. One of the reasons that Sony did do well early on was because ... First off.. People loved their PS1.. and the ps2 could play all the ps1 titles and in some cases improve a little bit graphically those titles.. Secondly IT has a Dvd player. Those 2 features are why the PS2 did sell a ton early on.
PS1 had a lot of happy consumers who gladly moved onto the ps2.

It is going to happen again. PS2 owners who have enjoyed their system will be jumping on the PS3.


Now imagine if the Dreamcast had a dvd player and a little more ad love? who knows it could have been a tougher fight?
 
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