Company-wide Vista Upgrade

lopoetve said:
That's so full of shit it's not even funny.

He doesn't have a single valid point.
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It's so true,Apple has to offer windows as an oprating system just get people to buy it.
 
Stellar said:
I'm an analyst for a bank and there are two major reasons why thin clients will never cut it..

A. Single point of failure (this is a HUGE one)
B. Remote users/branches
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I understand where u are coming from due to FDIC and State regulations concerning uptime for a banks computer systems and all that entails with it. (I am an IT manager for a 5 branch bank in Iowa and know what has to be done to be compliant with the FDIC/State it's a pain as new ways of examining evolve quickly.). FDIC examiners have no problem if your system is sufficiently redundant to bypass any natural/human disaster (i.e. flood,tornado, etc).

Like another stated (and what I forgot to mention) is to Cluster the Citrix servers and you are set to go (if sufficient bandwith is there - put one server at a different branch and you have disaster failover (tornado destroys server room, etc).

There is also M$'s "Terminal Server" which is similar to Citrix but may be cost prohibitive with 600+ pc's, and speed on that isn't that bad, just make sure you have beefy Servers to handle the overhead.
 
Citrix Metaframe uses MS Terminal Server; you have to have at least one ms terminal server licensing server to use metaframe. Usually have the same number of cal's (client access license) on both, but don't have to. Metaframe is really just a consolidated front end for terminal server; it puts all the security and presentation of apps in a single unified package. it can be a bit overwhelming starting out, but once in place, it just works. i think one of the most complicated parts of getting a server farm set up was the ms terminal server part; their ways of licensing are very strange and not straightforward at all. typical ms-bs.

citrix support is outstanding btw.

oh another btw, i'd jump ship from this manuf company i work for, if the price was right. this area is just too economically depressed to get decent compensation for what we're worth. it's enough to pay the bills i suppose, but not what experience / knowledge would dictate for this type of position. /end promo.
 
Rolling out vista is almost as stupid as using citrix. I hope you dont get fired when the shit hits the fan.
 
and what would you propose to do with 500+ pc's in a company? have an army of support personnel going around updating everything endlessly? expensive *nix gurus everywhere? some of us have to live in the real world with real-life cost effective solutions. after all, this thread is about rolling out a bunch of systems in a company, not playing games at home. /end rant/
 
In real life you stick with the operating system your admins know best....and what is the most stable under your control. It would be far more cost effective to move the vista roll out another year maybe even two away. Unless you have been in beta for a long time and know vista as well as you do server2k3/XP PRO etc. Your wasting money on the liscenses, wasting money on having to upgrade the hell out of your machines to handle vista, and also wasting a mega assload of time talking to support when you run into issues that have never been seen before and your waiting on RND to write a hotfix. That is the real world. People get fired for decisions like this every day. Dont say i didnt warn you when ur actually crying on a 4 day support queue with windows while the other network admin is with your boss pulling logs and bringing up several good cases towards your termination.
 
so it's stupid to use citrix... hmm seems like a real world cost effective solution for lots of companies.

btw your comments on rolling out vista at this time are absolutely correct.
 
Its a waste of money, is an overall crappy product that is easy to use and somehow weasled its way in to the limelight of enterprise technology. And unix administration just takes one good unix admin who can type fast (quoted from the unix admin behind me).
 
turn off the dumbass DX9 interface, and run windows classic...


vista will run fine on a r7000 then
 
Definately cuts down cost of upgrades. But you still have the factor its a debut windows O/S. The cracker hijackers are putting on their rubber gloves and getting ready for some deep probing. I know Vista comes "super hardened" outa the box but seriously.....security and windows are not in the same sentence until the flavor is 4+ years old.
 
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