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Vertigo Acid

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A big thanks to DougLite for originally creating this list and maintaining it.


General considerations
Check out www.storagereview.com for a huge database of hard drive performance on a common testbed.
Immediately after the interfaces, you will see a list of capacities that the model is available in. I killed most of the links, and will be going back through and readding them this week ;)


Quiet
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 Perpendicular Recording <400gb
200/250/320/400GB PATA/SATA

Pros: Competitve pricing at those capacity points, and quieter than even the Samsung P series
Cons: Unknown reliability at this time, although Seagate is generally known for this. Perpendicular recording is still a new technology

Honorable Mention
Samsung SpinPoint P series
P80 80/120/160GB PATA/SATA
P120 200/250GB PATA/SATA

Pros: Some of the quietest drives available, often cheaper than competition, solid 3 year warranty.
Cons: Limited maximum capacity of 250GB. Slower than flagship 7K drives. Samsung does NOT offer advance warranty replacement.



Performance


Western Digital Raptor
WD1500ADFD / WD1500AHFD 150GB10K SATA

Pros : WD's latest iteration of the Raptor achieves a 150GB capacity, uses native SATA electronics, and delivers the best storage performance money can buy, blowing past all ATA comers by comfortable margins and even defeating all 15K SCSI drives in three of SR's five single user tests. Prices have dropped significantly since release, with average price around $250, and sales to even as low as $200.
Cons : You can buy more drive for your money, storage-wise. it is still a SCSI-like drive with <5.0ms seeks, and the deep rumble is not for everyone. In terms of price/gigabyte, it holds a slight premium over the WD740GD, but for the extra speed it is well worth it.

Honorable Mention

Western Digital Raptor
WD740ADFD 74GB 10K SATA

Pros : This latest iteration of the 74gb Raptor, based on the 150gb Model, is the fastest under $200 SATA drive available, excellent 5 year warranty. A worth upgrade from any other drive, save the 150gb model, as these are delivering blazing desktop performance.
Cons : ~4x the cost per gigabyte of consumer drives and a limited capacity of 73GB. These may be unimportant if you are buying a second drive for storage, but if this is your only drive, this could be a concern.
Also, they are still significantly louder (think deep rumble instead of chirp or chatter) during seeks than most all 7200 RPM drives,

Raptor Performance Comparsion



All-Around, &#8805; 300GB
Western Digital Caviar
SE16 320/400GB SATA

Pros : Great performance thanks to 16MB buffer, with pricing more competitve as time goes by. . A RAID Editions are available in 400GB and 500gb, with an increased (3 vs 5 year) warrenty, and additional features for RAID sets. Not recommended for desktop use, however. Current Caviar drives are quite competitive in noise and heat output
Cons : These drives are NOT available on PATA. If you need PATA support, look to Seagate. Although they have the same Caviar moniker, the 400gb and 250gb models are significantly different in performance, due to the lower platter density on the 250gb model. Still bested in $/gig by current Maxtor and Seagate

Honorable Mention
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
750gb and (soon) 960gb Perpendicular Recording drives.
What can I say? They are simply the highest capacity drives on the market right now. Not that great in terms of $/gig, but if you have density requirements, these are your kings.


All-Around, &#8804; 300GB
This catagory is a toss-up between the Maxtor Diamondmax 10, and the Seagate Barracuda 7200.10

Maxtor Diamondmax 10/Maxline III
250/300gb PATA/SATA

Pros: Still holding their own against the newer drives from Seagate and WD, and with price cuts to boot
Cons: These drives tend to run a bit hot, and will a bit higher power demands than other 250gb and 300gb drives.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 Perpendicular Recording <400gb
200/250/320 SATA

Pros: Very fast in this arena, quiet, and seagate has shown very competitive pricing for the lower capacity drives. All of the can be had for less than $100.
Cons: Unknown reliability at this time, although Seagate is generally known for this. Perpendicular recording is still a new technology. PATA appear to be more expensive in the channel



What happened to the Hitachi Deskstar?

It has not kept up with the price drops of Maxtor, or the very low introductory prices of the 7200.10 series from Seagate. Plain and simple, they are not attractive drives for the money currently.



Budget
Samsung Spinpoint P series 160gb
At $60 for a 160gb drive, this is the budget choice of the moment. Quiet and cool running, these are the drives you can drop in and forget when you're building a budget box for yourself or others.
As a budget drive, I see no cons for this choice.

Honorable mention
Hitachi Deskstar
7K80 80GB SATA

At around $40 as well, this delivers pretty darn good performance and a solid 3 year warranty. The 7K80 drive is 3gbps and NCQ ready. Really, I would rather save lunch money for a week and grab the double capacity drive for $20 more, but that's just me :)



NOT RECOMMENDED DRIVES
Some noticeably absent drives, and why they didn't make the list

Maxtor DiamondMax drives with 8MB buffers PATA/SATA

There are simply better drives. Maxtor has slashed warranties to one year on many of their desktop drives, you can buy faster drives in the same price range, and they typically exhibit a fairly high noise profile. These drives become competitive again if you can get them for less than 40 cents/GB (160GB for $40-$60 after rebate for example), but drives from Hitachi, Samsung, and Seagate are better assuming that price is roughly equal. Maxtor's 16MB drives deliver much better performance for little to no additional cost.

Western Digital Raptor
WD360GD 36gb 10K SATA

The 73GB Raptor's little brother is significantly slower (often merely equal to much cheaper per GB 7200RPM drives) and has only half the capacity, at a much higher cost per GB. To be avoided. No amount of RAID-0 will make these drives equal to a single 740GD or 1500ADFD.


Glossary of terms :
5K, 7K, 10K, 15K: Refers to the spindle speed of the disk, 5K=5400RPM, 7K=7200RPM, 10K=10000RPM and 15K=15000RPM
PATA: the old school parallel 'IDE' interface, 40 pin cable. Available on just about any system.
SATA: The new serial HD interface, 7 pin cable, found on newer mobos and adapters.
SCSI: A connection interface that can connect a wide variety of perhipherals, including hard drives. Generally used in enterprise level systems for it's ability to increase multi user performance and ensure fault tolerance of large multi-disk arrays.
 
Looking good. You've added some useful info already and it's becoming more and more readable every time you edit.
 
DougLite said:
BTW, the T7K250 and 7K80 SATA should both be in orange, as they are 3gbps drives with NCQ support. Not to nitpick this early :p
Shush you! If you'd had sent it to me in a good format I wouldn't have had to get out my crayons anyway :p

I'm done editing for the night, let me know if you guys like the new centered layout or not.
 
Vertigo Acid said:
I'm done editing for the night, let me know if you guys like the new centered layout or not.
I don't like the centered layout at all. :(
But the info is good. :cool:
 
Looks fine to me, where'd you get the platter info for the Seagate drives btw? I noticed there was some discussion on SR's forums regarding whether the new 7200.9 300 GB model had two (with limits) or three platters... All signs seemed to point towards three except for the model number which had usually been a very correct way of figuring this out.

I had recently been trying to figure out whether to get the 300 GB or 250 GB model but since I decided to get two of 'em I just went with the 250s (altho with the current $30 rebate on the 300 GB, it is priced pretty competitively, I think it has a week left on it).
 
Impulse said:
Looks fine to me, where'd you get the platter info for the Seagate drives btw? I noticed there was some discussion on SR's forums regarding whether the new 7200.9 300 GB model had two (with limits) or three platters... All signs seemed to point towards three except for the model number which had usually been a very correct way of figuring this out.

I had recently been trying to figure out whether to get the 300 GB or 250 GB model but since I decided to get two of 'em I just went with the 250s (altho with the current $30 rebate on the 300 GB, it is priced pretty competitively, I think it has a week left on it).
You'd have to ask DougLite on that one
 
Not really sure if this is the best place for it, but I'll start here. At the 250GB capacity, the WD 250GB se16 drive and the Hitachi T7k250 cross over. Price not withstanding, if you all had to pick a winner between them, which would it be and why?

Thanks...

::edit::
BTW, I do like the new, centered layout. makes it easier to pick out the drives and categories.

 
Really nice and quick guide for people like me who havent looked at hard drive performance in years. I was just about to start a thread asking if 16 mb cache drives were worth it or not. Glad I thought to look for a sticky.
 
So, 2 months later, nothing has really changed in the hard drive market. The new raptors have stayed relativly stable in (high) price, and large storage drives have continued to drop in price. I wish I had an update, but I don't!
 
great guide...
i think WD has a new 500GB drive out, that is getting good reviews
WD500KS
 
Any comments on the Seagate 3.0Gbps 320GB 7200RPM 16MB Barracuda 7200.10? Does this fall into line with the drives that won the Reliability comparison?
 
Seagate remains the gold standard for hard disk reliability, as far as relaibility goes. Unless they screw up, it'll remain that way for the forseeable future.
 
DougLite said:
Seagate remains the gold standard for hard disk reliability, as far as relaibility goes.
What's involved in reliability besides reliability?
 
Drives are mechanical. The reliability/service life of any one unit cannot be accurately predicted. Backup, backup, backup.
 
John G. said:
Any comments on the Seagate 3.0Gbps 320GB 7200RPM 16MB Barracuda 7200.10? Does this fall into line with the drives that won the Reliability comparison?

I've been using one for a few weeks now. It's pretty quiet. It's the first 16mb cache drive I've owned so I can't speak for how fast it is, but it seems pretty zippy.
 
John G. said:
Any comments on the Seagate 3.0Gbps 320GB 7200RPM 16MB Barracuda 7200.10? Does this fall into line with the drives that won the Reliability comparison?

Running one, borrowed a friends WD 250 caviar SE just to test against for a few days, the 7200.10 actually felt a little bit snappier, if that makes any sense.

-Cameron
 
TrueChaos said:
Running one, borrowed a friends WD 250 caviar SE just to test against for a few days, the 7200.10 actually felt a little bit snappier, if that makes any sense.

-Cameron

sounds about right...larger platter size
 
Look for an update this week with new recommendations and information, new catagories, and a new leader in almost every group
 
Why no information on SCSI and SAS drives? Some of us are into building servers and overly powerful desktops. Also I used to own 36 GB Raptors and they were much faster than any of the newer 7200 rpm drives I've owned...
 
Dark Prodigy said:
Why no information on SCSI and SAS drives? Some of us are into building servers and overly powerful desktops. Also I used to own 36 GB Raptors and they were much faster than any of the newer 7200 rpm drives I've owned...
Regarding SCSI/SAS, it's my opinion that people who are the target of this sticky are not those who will use them in their desktops. Choices will be very application specific, and I feel it is beyond the intended scope. As for the 36gb Raptors, current comparisons, both subjectively, and with benchmarks, would seem to disgree with your anecdote. Not saying it wasn't faster for your particular setup, but they cannot match current generation drives.
 
Vertigo Acid said:
Look for an update this week with new recommendations and information, new catagories, and a new leader in almost every group

looking forward to the update. Very useful guide as is.
 
Vertigo Acid said:
Look for an update this week with new recommendations and information, new catagories, and a new leader in almost every group

If i may be allowed a few sugestions. Probably dumb or redundant but here they are:


I think the new WD740ADFD should be added to the Max performance section for those that require all the speed of the Raptor 150 but don't require the size/cost.

Secondly perhaps a Max Storage Capacity section should be added. For those with very large media libraries the Seagate 750 is a blessing. With such a large capacity it helps avoid the heat/placement/power consumption hassles of numerous drives.

As a third suggestion, due to the seemingly large amount of inquiries into Raid arrays, conceivably a list of recommended controllers would be useful.

And for my forth and last, maybe we should also be considering laptop drive technologies such as upcoming hybrid drives or differences between max performance 7200rpm drives vs. power conscious 5400rpm ones.
 
Alrighty, update posted. Still haven't gone back and readded some links, but i'm tired for tonight. As you'll notice, the 7200.10 has made quite a splash in many catagories.

VA
 
While I'm kind of sad that you served a big bucket of Haterade up for Hitachi, can't say they didn't deserve it. They've got nothing right now between the T7K250 250GB (limited by an 8MB buffer) and the 7K500 (except the ancient 7K400), and the 320GB 7200.10s, the 300GB Maxtors, and the 320GB WD SKUs are all selling like hot cakes at a capacity point that Hitachi simply has nothing but a press release at. The 7K250 is discontinued, the 7K80 is tiny, and the T7K250 only has two capacity points. The T7K500 drives could turn this around overnight (250, 320, 400GB units with 16MB buffer available on SATA) if they ever hit the channel. The environmental specs for the T7K500 are mouth watering: 6W idle for two platter drives, 16MB Buffer on mid capacity drives (finally!), about 80MB sec outer zone transfer rates, and Hitachi has always had the best seek performance in 7200RPM.

I'm curious as to why the WD5000KS was left out of the quiet category...it's the quietest and coolest seeking drive SPCR has ever tested.

Also, I hope that the one and two platter 7200.10 are much better on heat/noise than the 750GB unit, as SPCR was very disappointed in it. Over 30 dB/A seeks, no user AAM control like all Seagate drives, and merely average idle noise. Also, power consumption was pretty high at over 9 watts at idle :eek:

If Hitachi ever gets the 7K160 out the door (it was announced at the same time as the T7K500) it should upgun the budget category quite a bit.
 
I would take another look at the WD360GD and ADFD as they've both been re-released with the new hardware and firmware.
They're now just as fast as the 74's but a lot cheaper!
 
xxshawn672xx said:
I would take another look at the WD360GD and ADFD as they've both been re-released with the new hardware and firmware.
They're now just as fast as the 74's but a lot cheaper!
The WD360GD (1st generation) is not the same as the WD360ADFD (3rd generation). The recommendation against still holds for the 1st generation drive; The 3rd generation drive isn't recommended because it's not cost effective compared to the 74gb and 150gb models.
 
Vertigo Acid said:
3 generations of Raptor Performance Comparsion

Anybody know where the link is? I checked storagereiew and i can't find it. I also googled '3 generations of Raptor Performance Comparsion' and '3 generations of Raptor'
I guess it was deleted?
 
Quiet
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 Perpendicular Recording <400gb
200/250/320/400GB PATA/SATA
Pros: Competitve pricing at those capacity points, and quieter than even the Samsung P series
Cons: Unknown reliability at this time, although Seagate is generally known for this. Perpendicular recording is still a new technology

Just wondering is this the same as what is listed here: Seagate 3.5" SATA2 CUDA7200.10, 7200RPM, 16MB CACHE, 320GB NCQ

This is SATA2, is that any different to what is above? Just wanting to know if it is quiet like the one in the original topic.
 
I know it was probably a silly question but could anyone help me out? It's just that I wanted to buy the HD in the next few days but just wanted to make sure it was the same one as the one in the original post.

Thanks
 
lukepingi said:
I know it was probably a silly question but could anyone help me out? It's just that I wanted to buy the HD in the next few days but just wanted to make sure it was the same one as the one in the original post.

Thanks
Yep, that's the same drive :)
 
Are SATA II drives compaitable with SATA150 controllers ?????
like is it like ATA 100 and ATA 133
 
Yes, SATA is cross compatable no matter whhat one is faster, like ATA, it just defaults to the lowest speed component. I have heard some issues with some older SATA150 boards and 300 drives, but not very often.
 
Vertigo Acid first of all, GREAT job on putting this together! its very nice to see one of these after being away from [H] due to school and work :)

i have a question though.. you mentioned for the 7200.10 perpendicular drives...:
Vertigo Acid said:
Cons: Unknown reliability at this time, although Seagate is generally known for this.
i think you mean that seagate is known for good reliability.. not 'unknown reliablity' right? just want to make sure as i am not very good with which companies are good for what.. so far seagate seems to be the best with 5 year warranties...

speaking of warranties, do they have advanced exchange? like, they send me a new drive first then send the busted one back? or send old one, wait a few weeks n get new one? looked at their site but no cigar.. would call warranty support but only open M-F :(

i hope you or someone can help :) cheers!
 
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