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Core duo clobbers AMD FX60
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ktk_ace said:
Disqualify competitive products? Yonah is for Desktop and Laptop, sorry, that's like complaining about Desktop Procs adapted for Laptops. Last time I checked, Turion is still related to its desktop brothers. Sorry but a processor is a processor and YOU just find the best use for it=P Now if there were no Desktop platforms for Yonah, then hey, so be it.
If you have a half assed decent AMD system, buying an AM2 right now is kind of silly to say the least and that's my point.
evilmedic said:
This shows Conroe is not only worth waiting for but also waiting on the AMD price cuts that are sure to follow as well is a must.
Conroe 2.4GHz with 4MB L2 $316 Already overclocking well over 3GHz
Conroe 2.2GHz With 2MB L2 $241 At least 2.8GHz OC IMHO
Putting both beyound anything AMD has until K8L Dual version, Not the Quad core Server model.
For the guy talking about Low speed Opterons, 1.6GHz Conroe 800MHz FSB 2MB L2 $150 and 1.66 model $169. These should overclock well also.
Even 3800+ X2 2 X 512K Price - $284 Ship - $2.99 shipping becomes a bad deal. Unless folks like giving AMD and Intel too for that matter, extra money like a tip or something.
Donnie27 said:
ooh it overclocks like a stamped rat but are they actual production samples?Time will tell the truth and i dont want to be a prophet like you....im only human and i will wait for actual results.
prototypes always rocks but....
remember the asynchronus pentium ? intel canned it thou it has THRICE the processing power of its nearest equiviilent. and CPU engineering samples always have their multipliers unlocked.
Im a consumer , i dont root for stuff that i cant make a foothold of . excpet for guarenteed price reductions XD
ktk_ace said:
I'm only using common sense and unlike you not posting because I love either company. Some past Retail chips have proven to be better than ES chips becuase the were later based on finer steppings. This has been the case for Intel and AMD, nothing new or prophetic LOL!
ktk_ace said:
See above?
ktk_ace said:
You miss then totally miss my point. I've told many of my friends who only want AMD products to wait until after Conroe launches, AMD then cuts prices and they can get better processors for less money. I'm much more Pro Consumer than Pro Intel or AMD=P
I bought AMD processors in the past when Intel Charged more because the Processors were Intel.
As folks keep bragging and blindly buying AMD, their prices stay high. Helps AMD but screws you. They get better ROI while YOUR pockets empties faster. I buy both AMD and Intel products, last one was AMD, next one will be Intel and if the Dual Core K8-M kicks ass, I'll buy it if it is priced right. I hope many of you save my posts so when or if K8L kicks booty and has prices anything like Woodcrest/Conroe, I'll post the same PRO Conroe like posts for it.
Donnie27 said:
All those conroes are also a big mistake to purchase at $316 for the 2.4GHz, when instead you can purchase a Pentium D 805 dual core proc and over clock it to 4.1GHz stable for $130.00. Check out Tomshardware if you question this statement. http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/
A $130.00 proc that easily overclocks to 4.1GHz outperforms even the FX-60 at this time.
Later this fall or next spring, when I look at upgrading my system I'm hoping AMD has a counter and it's at rock bottom prices. If not, I'll move over to the Intel. And in the future move back. I've been an AMD fan boy for years, but only due to the superioriy of the CPU's at that time. I'll easily be an Intel !!!!!! for a time if AMD doesn't counter.
Donnie27 said:
AMD is in the business of making money for its shareholders.
They currently have no choice but to keep x2 prices high or wall street will punish them for it.
Its all to do with the oppertunity cost of making cheap dual core processors...Lets look at the Oppertunity cost of reducing the price of A64 x2 processors...Assuming that a dual core processor cost twice as much to make as single core CPU.....,(A64 x2 is ~ 230mm2 die size.. A64 has 106mm2 die size..)
If AMD slashes price on there x2 parts, they will loose more revenue when compared to building and selling 2 single core parts.
Lets just compare the prices. Lost revenue = the selling price of 2 equivelent single core CPUs minus price of the Dual core CPU. i.e. AMD will make $42 USD more money by selling (2) two A64 4000+ than a X2 4800..
Dual Core CPU price
2.4 Ghz/1MB......$630.........Lost revenue = $42
2.4 GHz/512...... $547.........Lost revenue = $21
2.2 GHz/1MB ...... $460.........Lost revenue = $10
2.2 GHz/512 ...... $357.........Lost revenue = $13
2.0 GHz/512 ......$297.........Lost revenue = -$27
Single Core CPU Price
2.4 GHz/1MB $336
2.4 GHz/512 $284
2.2 GHz/1MB $235
2.2 GHz/512 $185
2.0 GHz/512 $135
As you can clearly see, AMD is already incurring an oppertunity cost of at least US$10 for making most of its A64 x2 CPU's.....Its even worse for higher end model. Therefore, don't expect to see cheaper A64 x2 any time soon.. And whats more..AM2 core sizes have got bigger too...so cost went up with those too....
AMD currently has the incentive to keep selling A64 single core parts and discourage A64 x2 sales....
- The oppertunity cost of selling x2 is two high. They can make more money selling 2 equivelent single core CPU's.
- Since single core use 1/2 the die space of dual core chips you can build twice as much of them. So with your current chip manufacturing capacity, you can capture twice the amount market share and Wall street really care about market share for AMD.
In short, don't expect massive x2 price drops...Every X2 except the x2 3800+ is too cheap already.
evilmedic said:
Of course AMD is in business to make money oh brother, you're kidding me right?
One 2.2GHz 3500+ costs what? Now you leave off a Crossbar, HT Links, Package, Memory Controller and an 2.2GHz 512K L2 costs what? You add to an already overpriced single core and it costs what again? Already did this on a long assed thread, it's bull. NEITHER on us know how much money AMD loses or makes on each processor=P Common sense says they didn't use a Crossbar, no memory controller, no separate HT LInks, didn't install it on a package, those are savings, not losses. The problem with you're saying is that a Single core starts out overpriced IMHO.
I don't care about AMD, Intel or their respective Shareholders, I care about my wallet. If all they can make are expensive processors, then they need to go back to the drawing board and come up with something more affordable IMHO. It's one of the reason Intel Killed Timna and IMC.
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exactly what he was saying... "It sure would be nice to have one CPU comparison every nwo and then that didn't devolve into a thread about Conroe."Donnie27 said:
and we're talking about conroe. the core duo is yonah, as you pointed out, not conroe. if it's a thread about yonah, why are we bringing conroe into it?
HighTest said:
4MB L2
Smart Cache,
Smart Access
Much Cooler
Uses Less power
4 issue core
Thread Morp
VT
64bit
Better enhance power saving mode.
Conroe for me. My last build was a 3500+ and P4 before that, I buy AMD and Intel I'am only loyal to my wallet.
If K8L or AMD K28LLC kicks ass, I'll make similar posts singing its praises.
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I still think the core duo name is sort of lame.. maybe "twin core" or something... or maybe the quinella. heh. 
Anyways, so is this thread about the conroe or yonah? maybe the title should have been "core 2 duo..." ??
Anyways, so is this thread about the conroe or yonah? maybe the title should have been "core 2 duo..." ??
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title is fx-60, but i don't know. at least it's the same exact architecture at different clocks instead of a different one like conroe isDonnie27 said:
regardless.. semantics. it doesn't really matter, but then again, not much really does
Donnie27 said:
K8L was mentioned only in passing through most of this thread. The other dual core offerings came up as a legitimate question related direclty to the reviewer's choice to use a stock FX against an overclocked Yonah.
Please explain to me what relevance Conroe's pricing has to how Yonah performs compared to the FX? Is is really that hard to have a discussion on two CPUs without flying off on irrelevant tangents about Conroe? (Asks the guy on an irellevant tanget).
Or about K8L? if you need to hear me mention that as well to placate you.
FreiDOg said:
It's whatever way you want it to be pleacate youself? I didn't mention that until post #45, K8L and etc.. priceses as well came long before I said any damned thing read back through the thread please? It's only if you like something tangents are cool right? In passing, oh geesh!
He said supply and demand, I said poor shopping skills! I just siad folks should wait for prices to fall or CONROE wouldn't have even been mentioned. wait for after CONROE to buy your AMD processor, that's mentioning Conroe in passing if there ever was.
(cf)Eclipse said:title is fx-60, but i don't know. at least it's the same exact architecture at different clocks instead of a different one like conroe is
regardless.. semantics. it doesn't really matter, but then again, not much really does
No it doesn't does it?
Donnie27 said:
Why are you assuming I'm singling you out? Yes, you began the "Conroe will be cheaper" line (check post #37), but it's somewhat understandable to bring price up - particularly when the FX line is involved. And it took several other people to run down that "Look how little conroe costs" line with you.
Yes, prices were brought up. The Price of the T2600 (which is obviously reasonable to ask and is relevant to comparing it to the FX), and in response to you're comments on less than intelligent shopping and the inevitability of price cuts, relatively low cost AM2 parts were quoted. You however were the one who brought Conroe's pricing into this. It took help from visaris and evilmedic to branch off from the topic at hand completely though.
You werent' the only one jumping off on their own little sub-topic here, and I'm not singling you out for derailing this thread. But please, everyone, discuss Yonah / FX benchmarks, or go elsewhere. There is no shortage of threads where Conroe, Conroe's pricing, and similar are on topic, but this shouldn't be one of them.
FreiDOg said:
Yes but price cuts were mentioned but about buying an AMD processor. Sorry if I came off as harse or anything. Intel has announced Yonah prices cuts after Conroe as well. Let's see, I should have said! After a certain Processor launches the prices will be better on AMD processors. That way I don't mention Conroe right? Just as the guy said about K8L, also off topic, it was mentioned in passing. I'm sorry if it is painful for folks to read the Word Conroe.
ktk_ace said:
No biggie!
Here's what caused the Problems.
Post #2
brand new hardware clobbers old hardware. I think a more fair match would be something in a K8L vs. something Core Duo.. Not me.
Post # 7
Conroe will be the shit, hope AMD has something up their sleeves other than the K8L in 2008. Not me.
Post #35
Then these prices will be cut in August when Merom ships. me! Note I mentioned Merom first, NOT Conroe, see, it still didn't matter.
Originally Posted by MrGuvernment
AM2 release, you can get a Sempron +3800 for about $150 - sorry AMD, but your price cuts BETTER be better then that
mmmm, sempron +3800, or Intel Dual Core 805 for $40 cheaper.......
not me but what I replied to.
My post number 37!
They have even worse problems with their middle-range products that will have to compete with Conroe, Yonah and Pressler that cost less, a LOT less.
It only took until Post #2 for K8L to be mentioned. I get ripped for mentioning Conroe's Price on Post number 37 WOW!