PS3 VS DX10 Vista PC

This whole PS3 vs Xbox 360 vs PC thing is getting real old, you are comparing a non upgradeable platform with a platform that can last you 10 years if you do it right. I was quite happy with my Xbox until I played Half Life 2 and then my entire 4 time a week schedule on my Xbox went to shit, I am graphics whore and I like things to be pretty and run well at 1280x1024.

In the next 5 to 10 years we will hit a roof with PC hardware, and the only progress being made will be making it use less power and put out less heat, and perhaps a few new revisions of chips now and again because the architecture wasn't efficient. You can only get to a complete simulation of how real life feels and looks and then you're stuck, no physics enhancements because the difference between being able to splice a piece of grass in 4000 pieces and 4 billion pieces is stupid. My .02 cents CAD
 
heatsinker said:
So you're telling me you're going to spend maybe a thousand bucks or over to play one game? I don't know about you, but PS3 and X360 games will be looking better in the next 5 years, while computer hardware will only get older and older.

Uhh?

Uhh?

Did you just say that computer hardware will remain static while console gaming will be dynamic? I'm sorry, but you need to rethink your statement, seriously.
 
Wow. After reading through this thread, my head hurts. Can we not all get along, hold hands and just play the games?!?!? That's what they were meant to be made for, right?(the played part) :p
 
igl00jx said:
Wow. After reading through this thread, my head hurts. Can we not all get along, hold hands and just play the games?!?!? That's what they were meant to be made for, right?(the played part) :p

Agreed. I also think that this thread is a time bomb waiting to explode in a flaming mess of flaming goo flame.
 
umm, waiting?

to the OP:

If your current PC satisfies you, get a PS3. If you think there is some killer app you must have coming out for the PC any time soon, get a PC.

Personally, I think consoles have much more variety of games.

What PC games are people excited about? It's either a mmorpg, an fps, or an RTS. Occasionally, traditional RPGs and other things come, but well... yeah.

Not to bash PC gaming, I love my PC gaming. Just a thought.
 
laxmiddi44 said:
After watching a lot of PS3 in-game footage and watching the Crysis Video, i can't see the PS3 beating that. I'm pretty sure that the PS3 has a modified version of DX9, but if PC games are already looking better than the PS3 thats bad.

I'm deciding between a new PC and a PS3, and im not quite sure what to get. I have a 360 now.

Agreed with the above posters: a PS3 is only $600, a good DX10 card plus a copy of one of the good versions of Vista will be at least that much, probably more if you go for a top end card. If you are buying a whole new computer or doing major upgrades, then the price is easily $1,500+.

Of course, the computer will be able to do more than play games, will be better for FPSs, and will have better graphics, and has the benefit of upgradeability.

On the other hand, the PS3 is a turnkey solution, plus it in, hook it up, and you are up and running. No patches, crashes, driver conflicts, etc, to deal with, and it functions as a blu-ray player if that's your thing.

One isn't better than the other, they are different solutions for different goals. If you want something to play games on where all you have to do is pop in the disc and press start, PS3 is the way to go. If you like to tweak and eek out every little bit of performance you can, and you don't mind getting down and dirty setting things up just so every now and again, then the PC is your solution.
 
NulloModo said:
Agreed with the above posters: a PS3 is only $600, a good DX10 card plus a copy of one of the good versions of Vista will be at least that much, probably more if you go for a top end card. If you are buying a whole new computer or doing major upgrades, then the price is easily $1,500+.

You don't need to spend that much, i've got a brand new rig that pwnz fear for less than $750.00.

One isn't better than the other, they are different solutions for different goals.

Can anybody confirm if this is true?

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31681
 
Sly said:
You don't need to spend that much, i've got a brand new rig that pwnz fear for less than $750.00.

Really? What kind of set up is it? I'm just curious... To 'own' fear at any decent resolution (I'd qualify that being 1280x1024 or above) you are going to need a minimum of a 7900gt/x1800xt level video card, a gig of ram, and a A64 3200+/P4 @ 3.6 or more, that to have all the graphics options turned to high and good AA/AF levels. If you can build a box from scratch with those specs and not cut corners too terribly in other areas (decent sound card, dual layer DVD burner, at least a 250 gig hard drive, etc), all for under $750, I'd be impressed. Even then, you have a single core system designed solely for gaming, it seems kind of silly to buy any kind of single core proc these days, there is no way you can touch that price for $750 if you go with a speedy dual core chip (i.e. no P4 805/820 junk).

Plus, the original post was for a Vista + DX10 system, first off DX10 cards are most likely going to be very pricey, especially at the high end, and Vista itself is going to cost what, at least $250 for the good version?
 
laxmiddi44 said:
After watching a lot of PS3 in-game footage and watching the Crysis Video, i can't see the PS3 beating that. I'm pretty sure that the PS3 has a modified version of DX9, but if PC games are already looking better than the PS3 thats bad.

I'm deciding between a new PC and a PS3, and im not quite sure what to get. I have a 360 now.

PS3 doesn't have DirectX *at all*. It uses openGL and it's own custom libraries.

In either case, you're right: PS3 isn't even a match for CURRENT DirectX9 cards, much less next year's DX10 cards.

Jason
 
NulloModo said:
Really? What kind of set up is it? I'm just curious... To 'own' fear at any decent resolution (I'd qualify that being 1280x1024 or above) you are going to need a minimum of a 7900gt/x1800xt level video card, a gig of ram, and a A64 3200+/P4 @ 3.6 or more, that to have all the graphics options turned to high and good AA/AF levels. If you can build a box from scratch with those specs and not cut corners too terribly in other areas (decent sound card, dual layer DVD burner, at least a 250 gig hard drive, etc), all for under $750, I'd be impressed. Even then, you have a single core system designed solely for gaming, it seems kind of silly to buy any kind of single core proc these days, there is no way you can touch that price for $750 if you go with a speedy dual core chip (i.e. no P4 805/820 junk).

Wow. You know your hardware :p

7900gt/1GBDDR400/A643000+/80GigSATA = $721.00
Whoops. Forgot to add the writer coz i got it a few months ago.
DVD Writer +$47.00. But a DVDRom only costs +$23.00.

A separate Soundcard, i have no idea. But consoles don't have that, nor a DVD-Writer, nor a 250gig harddrive.

Like the guy before said, unlike consoles, we have a choice of parts to use. If you want to go the uber l33t route. Go ahead and spend $2000.00 on your uber PC. But if you just want a decent gaming rig (No overclocking, no watercooling, etc.) the price goes down dramatically.

Edit: What $500.00 video card? The 7900gt only cost $300.00!!!
 
The X1800XT is less than 250$ and is better.


(Let's set a record; a flame war over Consoles vs. PC and ATI vs. Nvidia in one thread!)
 
Obi_Kwiet said:
The X1800XT is less than 250$ and is better.


(Let's set a record; a flame war over Consoles vs. PC and ATI vs. Nvidia in one thread!)

Err... X1800XT's cost $557.00 over here. None of the stores here had 7900gtx's either. The GT's keep running out of stock every week tho.
 
heatsinker said:
How about you seriously read all of the messages in this thread? You missed the point completely and misunderstood every word I typed. Go get a Cliffs Notes or something if you're that damn lazy.

It was the THIRD post in the thread, I don't care about what everyone said afterwards, your comment was stupid, and that is what I was commenting on. I didn't misunderstand you, other people said the same thing I did and you defended your position. You were not being sarcastic, and you were not misunderstood.

heatsinker said:
Maybe you should try reading some of the other replies; you're like the 9th guy to completely misunderstand what's being said.

If so many people are supposedly misunderstanding what you said, maybe you should learn to communicate better

:rolleyes:
 
I think I know what I said and believe me I would because I said it. You catch my drift? It's my job to clarify and it's your job to read; doesn't get simpler than that. I can't say for certain I know too many people who just read the first couple of sentences of a discussion and all of a sudden think they have something to bring to the table. For every 2 people that understood exactly what I was trying to say there are 5 or 6 people who are beyond confusion and in the realm of total ignorance. Thank you and good day.
 
Sly said:
Err... X1800XT's cost $557.00 over here. None of the stores here had 7900gtx's either. The GT's keep running out of stock every week tho.


Ohh! You must live in looserville!
 
First let me say that I'm a huge fan of both ports.. ;) It can all be summed up rather neatly:


Price:

current..
$600 console, $78 games = console; $2500 nice gaming pc+accesories, $60 games = pc

Console argument: Next 3 years; i.e 10 brand new games... $780 + tax + initial $600 console investment = $1480 for 3 years of stellar console play

PC argument: Next 3 years; i.e. 10 brand new games $600 + tax + $2500 initial gaming rig investement + $915 for 3 generation GPU mid-range upgrades(being conservative as most people can't afford ultra high end cards) + $500 midrange CPU upgrade (1 CPU upgrade in 3 years is conservative also) + $200 memory upgrade = $4615

advantage: CONSOLE

Performance:

Console argument: i.e. PS3 using nVidia tech RSX w/ 256 @ 550 (much like the current 7900Gt) and 3.2Ghz Cell processor. Next 3 year increase in performance & graphics: 25-30% with said technology (performance and graphics increases can only be gained through software code, not any change in hardware as console hardware is static; think of the difference between an early release PS2 title such Silent Hill 2 and a current PS2 release of GT4 or God of War...noticable graphical increase but not large)

PC argument: i.e. Gaming rig using 2Ghz dual channel memory, AMD FX-60, 7900Gt/1900xt in SLI/Crossfire. Next 3 year increase in performance & graphics: 167% (and that's being conservative as PC development is damn near exponential at times; early 2003 pc graphics vs. 2006 pc graphics = no contest.)

advantage: GAMING PC


Score: 1-1

Games and gameplay type will be the tie-breaker and that is usually a strict matter of preference. I never buy FPS's for console...free look mouse + keyboard = FPS bliss ; 3rd person and fighting games such as MGS, Resident Evil and Soul Caliber will always be better on its original port the console.

In the end, is the $3135 difference in 3 year price proliferation a deterrent...or is a 167% graphical increase worth every penny? Only the games will decide..even those games with a simultaneous port release.
 
Obi_Kwiet said:
Ohh! You must live in looserville!

Unfortunately yes. I live in a third world country with import taxes, value added taxes, etc, etc going through the roof. Ever more reason why consoles aren't so popular here. Unless something has a good ROI (monetary or practicality wise), it's not gonna sell. Gaming PC's on the other hand, we have a LOT of them ;)
 
@Dark Prodigy
I've already explained my specs, and it's NOWHERE near that cost you're claiming. That's a [H]ardcore rig!!!

A $750 rig is already enough to play fear at max settings, it's also enough to play PC GRAW which, the developers themselves said, is more complex than the console version.

As for accessories (steering wheels, extra controllers, etc.), both PC's and consoles buy them separately, with the console accessories being more expensive. How much for a high resolution PC monitor? Compare that to the cost of an HDTV.

Edit: Where do you get your PC parts? Alienware?!
 
Sly said:
@Dark Prodigy
I've already explained my specs, and it's NOWHERE near that cost you're claiming. That's a [H]ardcore rig!!!

A $750 rig is already enough to play fear at max settings, it's also enough to play PC GRAW which, the developers themselves said, is more complex than the console version.

As for accessories (steering wheels, extra controllers, etc.), both PC's and consoles buy them separately, with the console accessories being more expensive. How much for a high resolution PC monitor? Compare that to the cost of an HDTV.

Edit: Where do you get your PC parts? Alienware?!


I buy most of my parts from newegg.com, performance-pcs.com or frozencpu.com..I don't know if Alienware sells parts. Plus I'd rather go Voodoo than ugly Alienware. ;)

And I'm very glad for you that you can play F.E.A.R. at max settings with a $750 rig. Its not very hard to do. That's what pc customization is all about.

The said specs and prices of the PC are approximations of course. But most pc gamers tend to go high end or near high end when the primary focus is gaming, and trust me things can get LOTS more expensive than $2500 initially on a decent gaming machine.

Since most (91% nationwide) households have TV's aleady, it is unwise to include the price of a TV with the console..hence it being left out. Initially<<---(key word here) when buying/building a pc, the cost of the monitor is a must, even if you had one previously and simply built/bought a new compouter; simply because TV's have a dual role...monitors don't.

My post was not directed at you...it was simply a general text expressing opinion/fact.
 
heatsinker said:
I think I know what I said and believe me I would because I said it. You catch my drift? It's my job to clarify and it's your job to read; doesn't get simpler than that. I can't say for certain I know too many people who just read the first couple of sentences of a discussion and all of a sudden think they have something to bring to the table. For every 2 people that understood exactly what I was trying to say there are 5 or 6 people who are beyond confusion and in the realm of total ignorance. Thank you and good day.


Look, I know what you were saying, I was not confused or misunderstanding you. You were saying that with a console the graphics will only improve as time goes on as developers learn to make use of the system, but with a PC video card you will constantly have to upgrade or it will look worse and worse in comparison as newer technologies come out. You are saying that consoles have a longer life span, and that the $500 will last you 5 years, whereas the $500 for a video card will only last a year before it is obsolete. I KNOW what you are talking about and it IS one of the dumbest things I have heard. Why? Because, if the video card is equal in performance to the console, it will continue to be equal to it for the entire life of the console, it wont magically get worse. You don't HAVE to upgrade, but you do have the OPTION of upgrading, and surpassing the capabilities of the console. You do not HAVE to spend $1000 in the 5 years on video cards while only spending $500 on the console, but you have the OPTION to do so to get better technology than the console offers. That is why computers are better (technologically) than consoles, and always will be.
 
I'm glad to see we're finally on the same page, but you're still missing one important factor. I was referring to initial investments. The original question was inferring whether or not getting an upgraded PC in November is better (read: cost effective) than getting a PS3 in November. Obviously their goal is maximum visual excitement without spending an arm and a leg (I know the PS3 is expensive, but bear with me).

Now you've got to give me a little more credit when I said video cards will "get worse"; it's an insult to my intelligence when someone reads a little too much into that statement and posts some off the wall reply. But allow me to make a real life example. In 2001, I bought an entirely new rig with the GeForce3 being the most expensive part, weighing in at over $499 (when they first came out). I also owned a PS2 at the time, which cost me about $500 because of those stupid bundle deals they had during the shortage. During this time period, the PC obviously had the best visuals; Giants was something to behold while Ridge Racer 5 had terrible aliasing issues.

Now, about five years later in present day 2006; the GeForce3 is dead and gone; maybe not even remembered. The last game I tried to play with it was FarCry which the machine couldn't really handle, even at 800x600. But guess what? The PS2 has gotten considerably better quality games in that timespan. Sure, I have a 6800GT now and HL2's graphics beats the pants off of anything the PS2 could dream to deliver, but to be fair, this isn't even the same machine I initially invested in.

I don't know if you noticed, but the discussion was never about are PCs better than consoles; that battle is just a war of attrition that will never produce a clear winner. Individuals just didn't understand the point of the discussion and automatically went into their ultra-defensive states.
 
Say, can you gentlemen tell me where I can RENT some PC games?........

ENOUGH SAID.
 
Hulk said:
Say, can you gentlemen tell me where I can RENT some PC games?........

ENOUGH SAID.

Actually the library does rent PC games, and they are quited decent, They had age of mithology, nfs underground 1-2, and several other titles.
 
Hulk said:
Say, can you gentlemen tell me where I can RENT some PC games?........

ENOUGH SAID.

umm, that's what demos are for. Those are free and are typically enough to know if you want to buy the game.
 
maybe it's been said in the last 6 pages, but I didn't want to read that far.....BUT yes PCs will always be able to upgrade constantly, while consoles are pretty much static in terms of upgrade-ability for their lifespan until the new next-gen ones every few years or so.

However, aside from graphical advances don't forget about many games that don't and will never make it to the PC, ie MGS, Zelda, Mario, etc. Games like these drive console sales.

I know most people aren't going to buy a $500 console for one game but those are still reasons that many people do buy consoles. I just wish they'd make those "exclusives" for PC too! It's a shame that many developers don't focus on the PC market.
 
Hulk said:
Say, can you gentlemen tell me where I can RENT some PC games?........

ENOUGH SAID.

Cyber Cafes. They rent out PCs with a lot of games installed. Many game publishers cut special deals with them.

28 cents per hour on a CS level machine.

57 cents per hour on a NFS:U level (up to whatever title was hot two years ago) machine.

Dunno how much the top end ones are, i never tried entering the VIP section.
 
Sly said:
@Dark Prodigy

A $750 rig is already enough to play fear at max settings, it's also enough to play PC GRAW which, the developers themselves said, is more complex than the console version.

Sly - you should be banned for spreading this kind of shit.

I knew you were lying, so I went over to the hardware forum and had the boys over there build me a "$750 gaming rig" to play FEAR at max settings.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1029462989#post1029462989

Guess what, it ain't gonna happen.

People on here really think that a $750 gaming rig = $300 xbox 360.

The video card and ram itself are going to cost you $300.

You need to spend around $2,000 to do what the xbox 360 does.
 
Least said:
umm, that's what demos are for. Those are free and are typically enough to know if you want to buy the game.

ummmmmm, I want to rent games, beat them in a week, and return them.

ummmmmmmmmmmmm, that's what I did with every single Splinter Cell game for the xbox. ummmmmmm.
 
Sly said:
Cyber Cafes. They rent out PCs with a lot of games installed. Many game publishers cut special deals with them.

28 cents per hour on a CS level machine.

57 cents per hour on a NFS:U level (up to whatever title was hot two years ago) machine.

Dunno how much the top end ones are, i never tried entering the VIP section.
Damn that's incredibly cheap compared to most. Which cyber cafe is that cheap? All the ones I have seen are a few bucks per hour.
 
Why are you discussing price? You spend enough time arguing about this subject on forums to get a second job.

Console: 400$
Gaming PC: 1500$
Wasting your life bickering about which has a better price performance ratio: Priceless.
 
Sly said:
@Dark Prodigy
I've already explained my specs, and it's NOWHERE near that cost you're claiming. That's a [H]ardcore rig!!!

A $750 rig is already enough to play fear at max settings, it's also enough to play PC GRAW which, the developers themselves said, is more complex than the console version.

As for accessories (steering wheels, extra controllers, etc.), both PC's and consoles buy them separately, with the console accessories being more expensive. How much for a high resolution PC monitor? Compare that to the cost of an HDTV.

Edit: Where do you get your PC parts? Alienware?!

Wait, what about the mobo, PSU, box itself, etc.

I think you had a pc and put those parts you said into it. You didn't build an entire pc with that stuff for $721. What about the OS? You must have pirated it.

So unless you can explain all of that shut up with your $721 cheap ass pricewatch.com basement pc.
 
@Hulk
As of two weeks ago my rig really cost 721$. Not including the DVD writer which i accidentally left out since it was older, but you can add it anyway for $42. Or preferrably a regular DVD drive for $22.

I'm sending you the link. They're not as popular as NewEgg but for building a gaming PC (Not a [H]ard rig), they're enough. It's about choice and mine's for gaming, not overclocking. I doubt you'll be overclocking your XBOX anytime soon.
 
Sly said:
@Hulk
As of two weeks ago my rig really cost 721$. Not including the DVD writer which i accidentally left out since it was older, but you can add it anyway for $42. Or preferrably a regular DVD drive for $22.

I'm sending you the link. They're not as popular as NewEgg but for building a gaming PC (Not a [H]ard rig), they're enough. It's about choice and mine's for gaming, not overclocking. I doubt you'll be overclocking your XBOX anytime soon.

That include a monitor?
:p
 
PC's are expensive, but I don't upgrade just for games, I upgrade anyways. TBH, I buy a new computer every 2-3 yrs anyways even if I didn't play games. So the only expense part for me is a high quality graphic card. And in these days you can buy a good one for about $290 which is far cheaper than any console. Some pc games only cost $20, and if you wait a few months after their relased the price comes down. So why make price an issue if some people upgrade their pc's every 3yrs anyway? Even if I did buy a new graphic card every year I wouldn't mind spending $290, because this is something I like to do period.

Even if you did include the total price of PC just for gaming, you have to realize that computers are used for 1,000,000 other things besides gaming which makes it the best platform purchase in my opinion.
 
dotK said:
Damn that's incredibly cheap compared to most. Which cyber cafe is that cheap? All the ones I have seen are a few bucks per hour.

(Note: Prices are converted to US currency)

The mom and pop ones go for cheaper since they basically have it near their homes, usually near schools so customers are never in short supply. The rigs are a bit dated but more than enough for the popular titles (WarCraft 3, C&C, CS, etc.). Of course, they have issues with the school faculty, but that's another story.

The ones in the malls are more expensive especially considering the overhead, but they have a better setup. And a VIP room at the back for members. They're also monitored by game publishers so they're pretty legit. $2 for three hours for NFS:U2 on the PC vs $2 for five rounds of InitialD at the arcades.

The outrageously expensive ones go for up to $1 an hour just for an internet level machine :eek:, Branded IBM or Dell rigs, they're usually in areas where only Adults or businessmen hangout (Casino's, etc.) and i honestly haven't seen a cyber cafe more expensive than that.

I dunno how it works in your areas. But here, demand and competition are pretty high.

PS: I asked an officemate. The most expensive he's found are the ones at resort hotels. $1.34 per hour, i don't know the specs.
 
Hulk said:
Sly - you should be banned for spreading this kind of shit.

I knew you were lying, so I went over to the hardware forum and had the boys over there build me a "$750 gaming rig" to play FEAR at max settings.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1029462989#post1029462989

Guess what, it ain't gonna happen.

People on here really think that a $750 gaming rig = $300 xbox 360.

The video card and ram itself are going to cost you $300.

You need to spend around $2,000 to do what the xbox 360 does.

Now you are full of shit. I am building a $800 computer for a friend that will easily best the 360. Saying "max settings in FEAR" and "better than the 360" are two very different things
 
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