Sigh, Sony will win this round..

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Firewall

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So I was with some of my friends this weekend, and it looks like Sony will win. These guys aren't like us. They know nothing of HDMI, HDCP, 1080i/p, this or that.

They simply know playstation, xbox, and nintendo.

They basically said if they can afford it, they will get a ps3. Most likely they will/already have a 360.

Also, unfortunetly, they still think the Wii's controller is a gimmik, and they all really hate the name lol.

The masses will most likely have the same, uneducated mindset which is why I see the PS3 on top, followed very very closely by the 360 and the Wii in last place.

I hope I'm wrong, I hate what Sony has been up to lately.
 
Is this a scientific study? :p (hehe sorry, I had to - in reality nobody knows what will happen, but Sony has the most to lose)
 
Wow you are the most Anti-PS3 person I ever saw.

Why do you care so much? Its there opnion on what they want to get. If they have a 360 and a PS3, whats wrong with that? If they dont like the Wii controller, why do you care? It may not appeal to some people. People may buy a PS3 just because they are a Playstation fan and dont care about the specs. I would, but 500 is out of my range because of college. I love Playstation, they have great games on them. Specs dont mean much anyway, they still got great graphics. You cant bash a system on its specs. Wii is almost the same as Gamecube, but its still going to be fun as hell. Some people may not like that montion stuff, some will. You cant go around saying PS3 will win because of the uneducated one. If it does win, because of them, who cares? Its only a god damn console. Sony may be sly and sneaky, but hey it works in buisness.
 
"This certainly ensures a healthy mix of the rich and the ignorant, sir" --- Mr. Smithers
 
Making assumptions based on a luncheon with some friends?
I certainly hope that's not the case :p

The Wii "Gimmick" is hardly true, they're genuinely incorporating the technology into games rather well, and not just for show.
 
Firewall said:
Also, unfortunetly, they still think the Wii's controller is a gimmik, and they all really hate the name lol.
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They might think so now, but once they try it out at ones house or on an in-store display unit, they won't think it's a gimmick anymore. ;)
 
I've learned to take Firewall with more than a grain of salt. Subscribe to Genmay if you want to find out why :p
 
The Wii looks like great fun, but I can't see myself playing a game for two hours moving my arms around like that. Games must either be short, or have frequent save points. That, or everyone's going to be pretty buffed after a few months on the Wii. :)

Offtopic, but do you think they'll have weighted sheaths for it to increase the "resistance factor"? I think that would be kinda neat.
 
LOL, I simply communicate what I saw with some friends and some of you attack me.


Show exactly what you are made of.
 
I think the real kicker will be whether or not nintendo gets kiosks in stores quickly.
 
Firewall said:
So I was with some of my friends this weekend, and it looks like Sony will win. These guys aren't like us. They know nothing of HDMI, HDCP, 1080i/p, this or that.

They simply know playstation, xbox, and nintendo.

They basically said if they can afford it, they will get a ps3. Most likely they will/already have a 360.

Also, unfortunetly, they still think the Wii's controller is a gimmik, and they all really hate the name lol.

The masses will most likely have the same, uneducated mindset which is why I see the PS3 on top, followed very very closely by the 360 and the Wii in last place.

I hope I'm wrong, I hate what Sony has been up to lately.
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I understand what you mean because 90% of my friends are the same way. They have no idea what Sony is doing other than putting out a new console. Of course, there is no persuading them either. Another point I'll throw out is almost everyone I know does not own a HDTV, nor really cares (or sees it as "useful" for lack of a better word) about gaming on a console in high def.
 
Firewall said:
LOL, I simply communicate what I saw with some friends and some of you attack me.


Show exactly what you are made of.
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I think people just like messing with you... since you're the resident crack pot (i mean that in a good way.. you help make the forums more interesting..).. lol...
 
I would like to think that at $600, people know what they're getting themselves into.

But then, maybe people just have money to burn.
 
Firewall said:
LOL, I simply communicate what I saw with some friends and some of you attack me.
Show exactly what you are made of.
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Bullshit, you said "Sigh, Sony will win this round...", NOT "Sony may win this round." You came to a conclusion, which you expressed dislike for, by speaking to a few of your friends. People disagreed with your flakey conclusion or your obvious dislike for this conclusion. If you don't want people to "attack" you then don't try to pass off something that you can't know to be a fact.
Anyway, semi on-topic I am only looking forward to the wii.
 
Stinn said:
Bullshit, you said "Sigh, Sony will win this round...", NOT "Sony may win this round." You came to a conclusion, which you expressed dislike for, by speaking to a few of your friends. People disagreed with your flakey conclusion or your obvious dislike for this conclusion. If you don't want people to "attack" you then don't try to pass off something that you can't know to be a fact.
Anyway, semi on-topic I am only looking forward to the wii.
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Yeah, I'd love to see you prove anything as fact -- it can't be done.

Anyway, all he was doing was making an observation through a small sample group. How do you think medical research is done? By going to every single person in the world and testing drugs? No, they do it on small sample groups. True, he didn't exactly do this in the most scientific manner, but the process is right. So get down off your high-horse before you fall and break something.
 
Never underestimate the power of the uneducated.

As to who wins, I hope all 3 consoles surpass their company's expectations. Theres sure to be alot on the table for gamers come christmas time.
 
kuyaglen said:
Never underestimate the power of the uneducated.

As to who wins, I hope all 3 consoles surpass their company's expectations. Theres sure to be alot on the table for gamers come christmas time.
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Sadly, most people seem to overlook that. They're more concerned about the politics involved. :rolleyes:
 
That depends of their mom totally takes away their allowance again, she is SO LAME!
 
Stinn said:
Bullshit, you said "Sigh, Sony will win this round...", NOT "Sony may win this round." You came to a conclusion, which you expressed dislike for, by speaking to a few of your friends. People disagreed with your flakey conclusion or your obvious dislike for this conclusion. If you don't want people to "attack" you then don't try to pass off something that you can't know to be a fact.
Anyway, semi on-topic I am only looking forward to the wii.
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He said "Sigh, Sony will win this round"....and your point is? Some people don't want Sony to win. It's their rightful hope. I understand where you're coming from, as opinion is opinion, and not fact, but, sadly, Firewall is VERY correct in the sense of how some of his friends are.

All they know is a new PlayStation is coming out. So they'll buy it. That's it. Most people are the ones who hear a tiny rumor and go crazy with it. When I worked in a grocery store a few months ago, I was talking with my co-worker about the Xbox 360 and how I liked it so much. He, with a surprised look on his face, said to me, "You didn't hear about the recall?" I was like, "No man, there's no recall" And he argued with me and talked about how the PS3 will make it to where you don't have to have a computer anymore and how it's the only system that can do REAL high definition and the 360 doesn't doREAL HD, etc etc etc, and I kinda just wanted to punch him in the face. So then I just kinda walked away.

You get where I'm coming from? People are like that. Most of them. Not all. Some here, most outside.
 
Still a bit early to tell, but from what I'm hearing through the grapevine, Sony is certainly putting themself in more of losing situation than a winning one.

As I always say, time will tell...
 
Well, also not everyone hates sony also imho. They may be sneaky and underhanded alot of times, but can anyone here really say that ANY of the other companies have never done stuff that no one has liked? And before you say that sony does it the most, i believe that every console developer out there has done stuff that they should be ashamed of.
I'm not much into the sony gaming stuff, but they do manage to make some good consumer products which i still continue to use.
As for the high price of the PS3, i think if people can buy 2-3 xbox 360's at hyper-inflated prices to sell, then they'll be able to pick up a PS3 IF they want one.
As for me, i'm going to wait till all the consoles are out and in hand so we can compare them before i decide to buy the best one, rather than trying to guess and argue over which one is the best without definitive testing or comparing. Useless, (at least to me) to bash and argue over everything atm...
 
Gob said:
That depends of their mom totally takes away their allowance again, she is SO LAME!
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Yeah, because the people who read about video games on the internet months and even years before they come out are clearly more mature and grown up than the average consumer.
 
Firewall said:
LOL, I simply communicate what I saw with some friends and some of you attack me.


Show exactly what you are made of.
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You ever think your friends might be dumber than the average bear?
 
Well i think the OP has a great point. I also have talked with several of my friends, and they have also given very similary responses. They are by no means hardcore gamers, and very rarely would you find them on any game website at all. Both already have 360's, and have already started looking to pre-order the 60gb PS3. :eek:
 
If you read "hard core" gamer posts here and elsewhere you'd swear the Wii will kick everyone in the teeth. The problem is that it's tough to tell exactly what segment those people really make up.
I think the PS3 name is still the strongest amongst regular consumers that buy systems for Madden, GTA, and Halo. At the same time...that price tag is HUGE. After the backlash the 360 got, think about tacking on even $$$ more to that. Add in the 360's game line-up designed for "joe average" who has a few super-mainstream games and I think it'll be really close.
If I had to choose a winner right now, in the US I think MS has a good shot. Elsewhere...I dunno.
 
I also have many friends who plan on getting a PS3, most also already have a 360, and some are pretty excited about the Wii too (granted, a good number of my friends work/worked in electronics stores or video game stores).

Personally, I think market dominance for the PS3 would be a very good thing for consumers. If nothing else, if PS3s penetrate the market it will be a big step towards Blu-Ray becoming the HD disc standard, and putting a quick end to the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD format war.
 
I didn't mean to post something as fact. Just an observation. Sorry for the confusion.
 
I think the Wii's 200$ price tag will make it a winner. It won't be making a huge loss on every system like Sony, and will probably sell more because of the price tag will make it more friendly.

The average person doesn't know or care about all the HTPC-like features that Sony is pushing so hard. It's a really good deal all for 600$, but only enthusiasts care. Unfortunately for Sony, most enthusiusts are biased against it. It'll find a nice, but I'd be surprised if Sony broke even on this whole deal.
 
Obi_Kwiet said:
I think the Wii's 200$ price tag will make it a winner. It won't be making a huge loss on every system like Sony, and will probably sell more because of the price tag will make it more friendly.
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I'm trying to remember what the GameCube released at vs. how much the PS2 and the Xbox were selling for at that same time, I'm pretty sure it was cheaper than either of them by at least $50 or more, not as big as the $200 between the price of a 360 Premium or the $400 for a PS3 60 gig, but still a noticeable amount. Still though, the PS2 had a launch that was sold out in hours, the Xbox I seem to remember selling out in the US within days, when I worked the GC launch we still had over half our stock of the things remaining after the first day, and we never ran out of them. Price isn't as important to most people as brand recognition, even if they don't realize that fact themselves. Of course, having Luigi's Mansion as the big launch title didn't really do the GC any favors either...
 
going on topic, i have a friend in the service who still claims the PS3 will have 7 processors, no matter how much i try to explain them to him he still buys the rumors set a year ago that the PS3 will be 3x faster then the xbox360, and lives buy it, for some odd reason, he is by no means dumb, the guy is only a few units from his 4-year, but refuses to check up on some of the items i told him about .. i dunno i gave up after a while, just nodded and think to myself "willfull ignorance"

but hey, you can only do so much to help these people.
 
I don't see why they would necessarily need help, especially if they were PS2 owners. Obviously there are going to be games that will be exclusive to Sony, regardless of how much bitching, guessing and online petitioning people will do. I'd understand your concern if the guy wasn't even much of a gamer to begin with and he was considering a PS3 because he heard about it on the news.

The only reason I will be buying is because I believe it's going to be the future home of next-gen tri-Ace RPGs, Suikoden VI, NIS games, Polyphony games, and several others. If I had any doubt in my mind that they'd be on another platform, then I'd have to spring for that machine too. Some people would like to believe that multiplatform is a godsend, but I think otherwise.
 
I don't see why they would necessarily need help, especially if they were PS2 owners. Obviously there are going to be games that will be exclusive to Sony, regardless of how much bitching, guessing and online petitioning people will do. I'd understand your concern if the guy wasn't even much of a gamer to begin with and he was considering a PS3 because he heard about it on the news.
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i know where you are coming from, but he doesn't even talk about games when he brings up the PS3, which would lead me to believe hes making his buying decision, and putting off on getting a 360 solely for the reason he thinks the PS3 is going to woop the Xbox 360 in the processor department

i'm enjoying my 360 now, i'm having fun due to not over comparing competitors products and putting off for the better one, i think the PS3 will be fun, but like i do always (except for the 360, i wanted it for its home entertainment value as well) will wait for the games i want to come out, same with the Wii, people in his case IMO are missing out on entertainment because they are sticking with their favorite company and believing in rumor. thats what i was aiming at when i was trying to correct him...
 
Trimlock said:
going on topic, i have a friend in the service who still claims the PS3 will have 7 processors, no matter how much i try to explain them to him he still buys the rumors set a year ago that the PS3 will be 3x faster then the xbox360, and lives buy it, for some odd reason, he is by no means dumb, the guy is only a few units from his 4-year, but refuses to check up on some of the items i told him about .. i dunno i gave up after a while, just nodded and think to myself "willfull ignorance"

but hey, you can only do so much to help these people.
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I have a friend who obstinately refuses to deviate from some information he read in an obscure magazine that he interpreted as meaning, "PS3 will be the greatest music player ever, turning CDs into complete 7.1 surround sound, and using special, patented technology to create a surround-sound effect from every single TV or home entertainment unit. It's 7 processors and gigantic 512mb of instant-access RAM, which is more than a PC will have at the time of it's release, will ensure that it will be future-proof for the next 10 years, and capable of outdoing the graphic capabilities of the Xbox720".
He quotes it back to me if I mention anything to do with any sort of console.
 
NulloModo said:
I'm trying to remember what the GameCube released at vs. how much the PS2 and the Xbox were selling for at that same time, I'm pretty sure it was cheaper than either of them by at least $50 or more, not as big as the $200 between the price of a 360 Premium or the $400 for a PS3 60 gig, but still a noticeable amount.
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GC launched at $200 the same week Xbox launched at $300. I'm 95% positive PS2 was still at $300.
 
Spaceman_Spiff said:
GC launched at $200 the same week Xbox launched at $300. I'm 95% positive PS2 was still at $300.
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I think Sony bundled GT3 with the PS2 that holiday season. They sold well, mostly because you couldn't get an XBOX. The Gamecubes stayed on the shelves for a decent amount of time before selling out.


It's all about the games for me, so the Wii is a lock and the PS3 later on.
 
banGerprawN said:
I have a friend who obstinately refuses to deviate from some information he read in an obscure magazine that he interpreted as meaning, "PS3 will be the greatest music player ever, turning CDs into complete 7.1 surround sound, and using special, patented technology to create a surround-sound effect from every single TV or home entertainment unit. It's 7 processors and gigantic 512mb of instant-access RAM, which is more than a PC will have at the time of it's release, will ensure that it will be future-proof for the next 10 years, and capable of outdoing the graphic capabilities of the Xbox720".
He quotes it back to me if I mention anything to do with any sort of console.
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LOL, tell your friend he's wrong. You can't magically turn CDs into 7.1 surround sound, and having 7 processors isn't necessarily a good thing, especially with one processor dedicated to the ethernet controller, of all things.
 
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