Is it worth to upgrade venice 3200 to Opteron 165?

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eat2na

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My Venice tops out at 2385Mhz due to older mem controller. I currently have a 7800GTX single card. Will I see any real world gaming improvement in newer games like Oblivion at 1280X1024 resolution from this upgrade? I am only planning on doing moderate air cooling OC if I get the Opty 165. Not more than 2500Mhz. I found me a brand new Opteron 165 OEM for $275 and was thinking about buying it. How much do you think I will be able to sell the retail 3200 Venice for?
 
I think it would be worth it, but so close to the next gen CPUs form both AMD and intel? I say stil on the 3200+ even thought the 165 is a worthy upgrade...
 
I(illa Bee said:
I think it would be worth it, but so close to the next gen CPUs form both AMD and intel? I say stil on the 3200+ even thought the 165 is a worthy upgrade...
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Well I am working on extremely low funds. Will not be able to do a motherboard, ram, CPU change at the same time.
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Im wondering the same thing. I have a 3000+ at 2.7Ghz right now. I wonder if I'd even be able to get 2.7 out of the opty and if I'll notice the difference between single and dual core.
 
I went for a 3200+ Venice @ 2.65 to a Opteron 165 @ 2.6.

Everythings alot snappier and in single threaded stuff the 165 is still faster because of the bigger cache.

Its worth it. :D
 
Fawkes said:
I went for a 3200+ Venice @ 2.65 to a Opteron 165 @ 2.6.

Everythings alot snappier and in single threaded stuff the 165 is still faster because of the bigger cache.

Its worth it. :D
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I ordered :D Can't pass that $67 dollar off coupon from monarch.
 
I don't see the point.
Real world difference in games, you're not going to see a drastic improvement.
 
Stereophile said:
I don't see the point.
Real world difference in games, you're not going to see a drastic improvement.
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This is what im thinking. Also a snapier system is so subjective I really have no idea if id notice it or not. I hate when it get slow from having 20 things open but i am still skepticle of how well a dual core will handle it. I barly do any encoding either. I think ill wait until conroe or maybe am2 if i cant wait.
 
if you can find a good use for the old chip, might as well
if its just gonna be collecting dust i wouldnt waste the money on a new chip
 
I'd say go for it. Went from a 3200 Venice to a 3800 X2. Everything just feels snappier, from alt-tabbing within games to burning cd's.
 
paladin0 said:
This is what im thinking. Also a snapier system is so subjective I really have no idea if id notice it or not. I hate when it get slow from having 20 things open but i am still skepticle of how well a dual core will handle it. I barly do any encoding either. I think ill wait until conroe or maybe am2 if i cant wait.
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I'm sure multi-tasking it's very noticable.
This guy seems like he's mainly a gamer and specifically asked if there is a real world
difference in games, which I think everyone can agree there is not.
IMO it's still at least 1-2 years away.
 
I just went from a 754 3200+ at 2.4 to a x2-3800 @ 2.4(that im pretty sure has plenty more room with better ram) changing the mb/cpu and keeping everything else the same netted me a much happier system.

WoW went from around 45-50fps consistent @ 1920x1200 4xaa max everything except view distance (3/4) to 60-65fps w/ vysnc on.

Im not sure how you could go wrong with an opty 165, considersing the ones coming out of monarch lately are apparently good clockers. The newer cpu's coming out arent going to be cheap, and I doubt there will be a significant speed boost over what the 165's can hit in a reasonable price range for quite a while.

Not to mention some of the newer games are going to be coding for 2 cores, which will further distance the performance of the 165 and your 3200.
 
Stereophile said:
I'm sure multi-tasking it's very noticable.
This guy seems like he's mainly a gamer and specifically asked if there is a real world
difference in games, which I think everyone can agree there is not.
IMO it's still at least 1-2 years away.
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It depends on what game your playing. Oblivion is coded to work with mutliple threads and is very CPU intensive so it will benefit from having a dual core processor.
 
Jesus_Faction said:
if you can find a good use for the old chip, might as well
if its just gonna be collecting dust i wouldnt waste the money on a new chip
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Listed the old one on ebay. I am planning on going SLI with another 7800GTX so I think it was a good choice getting the opteron to avoid bottlenecking issues. They overclock pretty good to FX60 speed. :p
 
eat2na did you get your opty yet? Let us know if you feel the difference and what kind of clocks you got out of it.
 
paladin0 said:
Im wondering the same thing. I have a 3000+ at 2.7Ghz right now. I wonder if I'd even be able to get 2.7 out of the opty and if I'll notice the difference between single and dual core.
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i had a 3000+ venice 939 also @ 2.7ghz and i switched to a opty 165 running @ 2.6ghz. imo, it was worth it. my computer runs much smoother now and there are no hold ups when i'm doing cpu intensive things. sure my opty doesn't oc as high as my venice did but a 100mhz is not worth the extra heat + volts to be stable at 2.7ghz. in my case since its running in my SFF. monarch has some good steppings lately so you might want to grab one before their gone, there are also coupon codes for them but i can't seem to find any.

Edit: the monarch coupon codes still work! i just ordered one :D
 
burningrave101 said:
It depends on what game your playing. Oblivion is coded to work with mutliple threads and is very CPU intensive so it will benefit from having a dual core processor.
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There isn't a noticable difference though.
 
Depends on what you mean by "noticeable." Every once in a while you're going to get a drop of framerate due to some other system task kicking in that you wouldn't necessarily get with a dual core setup. Plus, you can do other things with your computer while playing games if that's important to you. Overall, I think the jump is worth it, but I understand why others would disagree :).
 
I'm just going by what Bethesda said.
GPU limited, dual core is not something you'll notice, etc..
Actually I've read the game is somewhat cpu limited but there is nothing you can do about it.
Bad programming according to a guy at ATi.

Dual core definitely has advantages.
Whether it's worth the money right now for games,
over adding money to the videocard equation is questionable imo.
Of course if you're already running around with a 7900gtx/x1900 have at it. :)
 
paladin0 said:
eat2na did you get your opty yet? Let us know if you feel the difference and what kind of clocks you got out of it.
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Not Yet
:eek: Should be here this week. I think I will be happy with it. My 3200+ Venice was a poor overclocker. Someday I will make a sig. :( Gee I sound like a robot :p
 
I got it yesterday. Kudos to Monarch for the secure double boxing shipping.
I got the CCBBE 0610DPMW stepping. Not bad for $275 shipped. I raised the speed up to the speed I was running the Venice: 2340 MHz, HTT of 260 and got 340 more points on 3dmark '05. The only problem is that is running too warm even at default volts.... I will update later I have to go to some family event :rolleyes:
 
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