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Another Violent video game Study
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Tazman2 said:You make a good point but unfortuntly around here that "rap" is part of that bad "environment". Ie why i mentioned people who just look angry and act dumb that listen to it. Theres ALOT of that around here. And yes i know its not all violent, etc. I used to be into it back in the day of PE, Ice Cube, etc. Old old school. But now its just all about $$$ and unfortuntly alot of it promotes violence in one way or another. We have a local bar that plays only "hip hop" and 3 out of the 4 days its open per week a fight/shooting breaks out. Yet down the street at the "regular" bars NOT playing "hip hop" theres only what 1 fight per 20 times its open but usually those are the same people who just happen to come from the other club!
Hahahahhahaha
ice kube? the rapper that came up with "cop killer"?
the majority of music is about $$$ and there are a lot more genres than rap that promote violence. you scapegoating rap music is just as bad as these studies. People like different things, accept that.
the majority of studies do say that playing violent video games have a weak correlation with increased agression, BUT that certainly is not a reason for someone to go out and commit violence.
For both sexes, there is a weak but positive correlation between playing violent video games and increased aggressive behavior - from my pysch text
Mayhs said:Well there are a WHOLE load of ethical and moral issues to get involved in here and if you dont want me to get started just say so
but if a 15 year old decides to sell weed to get himself out of poverty (and his family) so he can get enough money to become a doctor is wrong** then so is stealing bread from the rich to feed the hungry wrong?...something to pondor
**if this is the only way he can make enough money to go to university
selling weed to get out of poverty is wrong, why must it be weed that the boy is selling? the boy can sell homemade bread instead.
weezer said:
Yes most music is about money. Lucky for me that stuff i'm into isn't mainstream so its not too corrupted!
And as far as violent promotion you are right. But (c)rap is the cause of most violence that comes from violent related music. 
Playing games raises blood pressure? OMG! What a discovery! So does fast driving/riding of any veichle, bungee jumping, parashooting, paintball, taking an exam at school... So, my scientific conclusion is:
SCHOOL MAKES YOU A MANIAC. DON'T GO TO SCHOOL.
And yeah, those studyes are VERY objective. I remember this was discused in a TV show here in Croatia and one of members of Croteam (Serious Sam anyone?) has been invited. He talked for, I dunno, 5 minutes? They didn't let him talk at all! Now, say that viewers got the right picture from that show (duration of 2 hours)...
SCHOOL MAKES YOU A MANIAC. DON'T GO TO SCHOOL.
And yeah, those studyes are VERY objective. I remember this was discused in a TV show here in Croatia and one of members of Croteam (Serious Sam anyone?) has been invited. He talked for, I dunno, 5 minutes? They didn't let him talk at all! Now, say that viewers got the right picture from that show (duration of 2 hours)...
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0810 said:
LOL. "sweat drip from my balls." Good one!
Yeah, and does doing stuff that is good for you raise your blood pressure too? Like exercising? I'm pretty sure your blood pressure goes up a good bit there when the old ticker is pounding away.
This scientists though. They gotta study something. It's their day job!
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Moose777 said:
Well, i'll take their authority over yours.
Well, that explains a lot.
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Kristo said:
I'm not American. So i guess there goes your theory.
I agree with most of everything you said, except this statement, which was a magnificently inaccurate. 99.9% of them romanticize violence/drugs/prostitution with love/hate relationships. It is ok to dwell on the hate part, but they most certainly romanticize it. It a sad attempt to make it "cool," for a lack of better words.Mayhs said:
They don't have any authority because their studies are fairly baseless and their results are false and biased.moralpanic said:
How does it explain anything? I love sanctimonious people like you. You don't know me. Don't know anything about me. Don't know anything about my childhood or my family. You aren't above me. If you want to raise your kids to live in a closet or you want to live in a protected little shell provided by the government that's your fucking problem. Its obvious you have a tendancy to believe everything the media and these idiots who conduct these little biased, single minded "studies" tell you.
I had heard their was another red alert today. Maybe you should be heading to the army/navy store about now to stock up on gas masks, black garbage bags and duct tape. Or maybe its because your one of those religious zealots; which would explain a lot. I mean with a name like MoralPanic it says to me; "I scare easy".
Again, I'm being sarcastic and I don't know you so don't take what I'm saying serious. As for all of my other comments during this thread I'm joking around. Its not my fault you are taking this too seriously.
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Mayhs said:heh..we dont need ur comments u oldie
**my statement is only correct if hes old lol
16. But I don't listen to music anyway, unless occasionally for stress relief. It's possible that this has something to do with me spending money exclusively on my PC, but it could just mean I'm a freak.
Besides, why bother trying to distinguish the words of a song written by some moron with an IQ that matches his age?
Man, that's a whole lot of stuff to infer from 2% higher blood pressure. Perhaps he should pursue a new career as a palm reader.
Aaaaahhhhh I can't resist. I'm gonna post.Obi_Kwiet said:
Many of these "morons" with "an IQ that matches his [their] age" got THEMSELVES started as artists, and many own their own recording labels, record companies, etc. Many have proven that they can do more than just rap (whether you like him or not, Ludacris did an excellent job in Crash, and many others agree).
Yeah, those people who grew up in neighborhoods worse than you and me and now drive cars worth as much as our houses OBVIOUSLY have such a low IQ
Obi_Kwiet said:16. But I don't listen to music anyway, unless occasionally for stress relief. It's possible that this has something to do with me spending money exclusively on my PC, but it could just mean I'm a freak.
Besides, why bother trying to distinguish the words of a song written by some moron with an IQ that matches his age?.QUOTE]
Sorry im going to have to comment on that too like dudeitsme...
rappers especially ones like nas/tupac/biggie/common (recognisable artists you may have heard of) are more than rappers they are considered as 'street poets' some of the stuff they write is so incredible honestly just try and listen to them and ill name a 100 other good ones if you want to be educated
and as dudeitsme has stated rappers do a lot more...many of them are actors/have their own clothes line/perfume/companies etc. - this doesnt directly relate to IQ but you have to be smart to be as rich as these rappers....
and many rappers have degrees and are more intelligent than many of us on the forums so your statement is incorrect
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DudeItsMe said:Aaaaahhhhh I can't resist. I'm gonna post.
Many of these "morons" with "an IQ that matches his [their] age" got THEMSELVES started as artists, and many own their own recording labels, record companies, etc. Many have proven that they can do more than just rap (whether you like him or not, Ludacris did an excellent job in Crash, and many others agree).
Yeah, those people who grew up in neighborhoods worse than you and me and now drive cars worth as much as our houses OBVIOUSLY have such a low IQ
1. Crash was such a horrible movie I cried for days on end from the 2 hour torture.
2.Once you're already famous from something, it's really not that hard to get into something else. Michael Jordon and baseball for instance? The Governator?
3. Music doesn't take a high IQ, it takes talent and creativity. My brother was friends with a few kids that were quite dumb, got stoned, and failed like every class in highschool they took. Ya, they're called System of a Down. Yelling into a microphone doesn't take a high IQ, realizing the connection between games and drugs/prison-sex does!
There has to be at one point where you start to think that these articles might at least be right in a sense, not completely however. I can only answer in response to aggressiveness however. I have noticed that since I've started playing FPS's that I have become more aggressive, nothing extreme or anything but to the extent that family members and friends have started pointing it out. Now of course there could be other factors, I still truly believe games have played a role. Although I guarantee most of you will say that I'm full of bs, but the truth of the matter is none of you want to think that your beloved video games may cause some harm. Truthfully it doesn't bother me much because games are kick ass and they make me feel good but that doesn't change the fact that whatever goes in your brain does affect it to an extent.
0bsidian said:
it does effect your brain but i think its down to the person.....i play videogames and i never became more aggressive however one of my friends became a lot more aggressive for 30 mins after he played (talking about a fighting game here)...so it does have an effect but only on certain people
And while it may have an effect on everyone to a certain extent, for probably 99% of those people, it's just mentally. Sure I may THINK things I wouldn't otherwise think, but none of it would be taken into action. Of course, those are just ideas. Ideas come from EVERYWHERE, not just video games. But then some nutjob in that 1% decides to go jump off a building and ruins it for us NORMAL people.
DeathCloud said:Ok, I am getting so sick of these so called researches doing these studies and claiming that video games will increase the risk of peoplpe having sex, doing drugs, ect. I mean come on, its a fucking VIDEO GAME! Read the article and tell me what you think. I personally think these studies are funded by groups who want these games stopped so the outcome is always in there favor.
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=healthNews&storyID=2006-04-07T163654Z_01_COL759791_RTRUKOC_0_US-VIDEO-GAMES.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13
In general, the more educated one is, the more resilent they are to the media and to things such as video games.
For the really dumb, they are eaisly influenced. Not by just games mind you, but by the media. It matters not if they play Unreal 2004, or if they watch a rambo movie. Same thing.
A person such as myself can actually play games; go around shooting people(virtual), and not want to do such things in real life. Some may argue that we release some frustration in games, in a harmless way, which means games are a good thing.
The underlying factors that contribute to how someone will grow up are this: Their upbringing, their social context, their socialization, and their physical limiations (biological). When these things go wrong, then people may display antisocial delinquent behavior. It's not the result of just a video game, oh no.
To those who wish to persuade, waste your breath. My views will not change.
Anything in the external environment will cause your behavior to change, especially if you play computer games over an extended period of time. I'm a very educated individual, have never done less than an honors course. What you said towert that it is only the uneducated and "dumb" that are affected is totally biased and offensive. I guess some people are just ignorant and hard headed.
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Noone is ever going to prove a link between video games and violence. NO ONE!, because all it is is a nature vs nurture argument. Are we the products of what we see around us? or are we predetermined at birth to be a certain way? i would say both, and when relating to video games, i only believe that if we see something when we are too young to distinguish fiction from reality, maybe then ill believe a connection. But as a gamer since lord knows when, and actually suffering from anger management issues, and almost going to jail for nearly killing someone cause i snapped, i will never blame a video game. I know its not real, i know its not something that i should be doing in the real world and i know for a fucking fact that before i even knew what a video game was, i was a violent kid. Thats not to say some people are more prone to transforming fiction into reality, but i honestly believe that all these studies are phooey. And then again maybe they are right, i have abused a lot of drugs in my life, to include the ones today. Hell i Used to be a fuckign drug dealer, and in some ways still am. Do you think its cause i was obssessed with GTA 3?
Agromahdi123 said:
Well, we MIGHT be able to find a link. It's just that depending on the methodology, we cannot determine which is the cause and which is the effect. Either violent video games cause children to become violent, or violent children are attracted to violent video games. Correlation does not mean causation. Anyone ever taken a science or psychology class?
I disagree. Like the above poster said, you'll never be able to prove it. There are too many variables and the majority of the studies are biased towards finding something wrong to stop games from being made or to put more restrictions on them.chzxmnky said:
And I have taken a Criminal Psychology course.
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I can't count the number of times I have seen on the news where someone killed their family cause God and the Bible told them to do it. Where is our study on that? BTW didn't you all know that Hitler was a xbox !!!!!!, Stalin was all the time lighting up fatties and getting down with some GTA on ps2. Ted Bundy was known to get jiggy with some Mario. Jeffrey Dahmer got started on Resident Evil. Jim Jones would brew his kool-aid and then play some Doom! Gimmee a break, gimmee a fuckin break. This is just so far beyond retarded. When are these stupid asses going to realize it's us. We are a violent species much like many of the other species we cohabit the earth with. (Just the other day my cat caught a mouse but would not kill it, instead it was play with it to death time!) Video games much like other forms of art are a reflection of us not the reverse. The tail doesn't wag the dog. Okay end rant time, I am late for the Colosseum, they are throwing the Christians to the lions again and I am conducting a study on how that was caused by Animal Crossing.
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Worldhammer said:
apart from the bias the was a good argument
you have a point there but you cannot deny that games do have an effect on people whether it be minor or major games do have an effect...these studies are just there to warn us/educate us on these factors...
i bet the average joe would never have even considered this topic until he read the study..thats all its there for...or thats how i look at it until we get conclusive evidence that playing pacman makes us cannibals
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Of course there is a connection between games and your life, it's that way with anyhting you do. Hell, just the other day I felt like tea-bagging/bashing my friend after he passed out. But I also thought about going deep sea fishing after I saw a Jaws commercial. But, I do think they are taking it a bit to far. They should say, "The graphic images in games can be bad for some kids, but don't effect the majority, much like a scary movie." Instead they're saying "Kid's who play video games are the ones who kill people and video games are a gateway to violence and alcohol, much like marijuana is a gateway to other drugs." They bend their words to show what they want, and that's what's messed up. Once again I'm lead to this conclusion. Some kids are fucked up in the head, and that's the parent's responsibility to limit and see how they react to this media. Banning violent video games is not the solution, good parenting is.