"Oh I've always liked Intel, AMD was just a hobby..."

Mako360 said:
Hilarious when a hot young babe throws you some serious attention just how tired and old the wife looks isn't it? Conroe is a 21-year old version of Jenna after today, and the FX just became Courtney Love... :D

Every AMD forum on the net has hundreds of apologetic AMDers jumping on that large Conroe bandwagon as if it they were Pittsburg Steelers lifelong fans a month ago. Suddenly, dramatically, everyone was "really" an Intel fan but were just using AMD chips "to get by"...:D

The King is dead. Long live the King.
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Wow I didnt realise I'd married my CPU.

Seriously man, your wierd.
You think its strange that a load of people that bought the fastest CPU's from the last generation are going to buy the fastest CPU's of the next generation?
 
i still have my amd xp1800+ from nov 2001 (as my only computer, no less), still running flawlessly. But dear god, these benchmarks are just unbefuckinglievable. I can't wait for these to hit the market.
 
Mako360 said:
Every AMD forum on the net has hundreds of apologetic AMDers jumping on that large Conroe bandwagon as if it they were Pittsburg Steelers lifelong fans a month ago.
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Pure BS. Most AMD forums are saying "we'll believe it when we see it". Intel are liars. They even lie in court cases. I hate F A N B O Y ism. Wait for independent benchmarks, otherwise you're proving naive, gullible and ready to believe any BS that Intel shits out.

Opajew said:
But dear god, these benchmarks are just unbefuckinglievable.
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Exactly. ;)

http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/03/if-only-they-had-time-machine.html?www.dailytech.com
 
i buy the better performing chip at the time, and couldn't give a shit wether its amd or intel.
Currently, AMD chips are better, thus i bought a 165. If intel comes out with a better product, then ill just get that.
 
ninjastyle said:
Pure BS. Most AMD forums are saying "we'll believe it when we see it". Intel are liars. They even lie in court cases. I hate F A N B O Y ism. Wait for independent benchmarks, otherwise you're proving naive, gullible and ready to believe any BS that Intel shits out.
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Denial is clearly not just a river in Egypt. :)

So far for Anand, Hexus, myself, and several other online tech publishing industry vets, the benchmarks pass muster just fine. We have no reason to believe Intel would gamble with world opinion on their next-gen architecture by trying to manipulate benchmark results. To have that come to light would be devastating to both their share value, as well as their future retail marketshare levels. Just too risky.

Don't worry though "Ninja", we'll save you a Conroe to upgrade to when the benchmarks pass your standards. :D
 
You almost make it sound like you are a "tech publishing industry vet" with what you said. Which you clearly are not. Sheesh been a member like 7 days and 3 of them are full of clear !!!!!!ism. If you have an Intel box the bandwagon jumpers you are provoking almost surely have a better rig because of your silly ties. Please don't include yourself with anand etc.

Mako360 said:
So far for Anand, Hexus, myself, and several other online tech publishing industry vets.
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Probably unintentional but hilarious just the same. :p
 
ninjastyle said:
Pure BS. Most AMD forums are saying "we'll believe it when we see it". Intel are liars. They even lie in court cases. I hate F A N B O Y ism. Wait for independent benchmarks, otherwise you're proving naive, gullible and ready to believe any BS that Intel shits out.



Exactly. ;)

http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/03/if-only-they-had-time-machine.html?www.dailytech.com
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*cough* you must've missed the many posts and stickes...
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2716 (Rahul=bitchslapped)
 
Kersk said:
My personal purchase history over the years:

Voodoo3 PCI -> TNT2 ultra -> Geforce 3 -> 9700 Pro -> 7800GTX
P2 350 -> Athlon XP 1600+ -> P4 2.4C -> X2 4200+
(all o/c'ed of course! ;) )
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I was...

Intel 810 IGP -> GeForce 4 MX -> Radeon 7000 -> GeForce Ti4600 -> Radeon 9700 Pro -> 6800GT -> X850XTPE
For video cards, I figure that I like to alternate :D

My cpu's aren't as clearly delineated, however :[
 
Chris_Morley said:
I'll jump on whatever bandwagon is going faster. ;)
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I'll only hop the one with dubs

but if the other bandwagon's got a supercharger, I might reconsider
 
dandragonrage said:
-Intel is performance king 'til 1999. Long live Intel.
-Athlon comes out in 1999 making AMD the performance king. Some switch to AMD, some refuse to admit that AMD is better - usually claiming that AMD is not stable, having no basis for this claim.
-7 years go by, with some companies taking on AMD, but still concentrating on Intels, which have dropped way behind AMD in speed in most applications while drawing much more power. Intel zealots still refuse to admit that AMD is ahead.
-Intel finally comes out with a sweet CPU and many of the people who originally switched from Intel to AMD say they'll probably switch back to Intel if AMD can't do anything soon.
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Are you nuts? The Athlon DID NOT out perform Intels northwood line. Yes, the initial P4 line sucked ass but the second northwood came out it shifted back to intel. Intels 845 and 865/875 line of chipsets/processor combos kicked AMD's ass. It wasn't until the prescott line, what 2 years ago?, that AMD took the crown in benchmarks. There is so little difference in real world usage that the ONLY people who thought AMD was king were the benchmark junkies, ie. !!!!!!s. AMD makes a good product, no disputing that, but it wasn't until nVidia came up to the plate with a good chipset that they became competitive. There is a basis for the reliability argument. VIA and SIS made SHIT chipsets that didn't do AMD's processors justice whereas Intel made their own chipsets and they worked perfectly EVERYTIME. Your processor is only as good as the platform (chipset) that it runs on, and it wasn't until nVidia came out with nForce2 that AMD became a force.
 
No, I won't saw AMD owned Northwood, but Northwood certainly didn't take the crown away from AMD.

Hell, we could even say they were about tied at that point if you prefer.
 
Back then, to me, AMD had barely recovered from the stigma of overheating processors with unstable VIA platforms. And Northwood had a performance advantage. To be sure, many here owned and loved their AMDs, but my Northwood-C was my first build.
 
dandragonrage said:
No, I won't saw AMD owned Northwood, but Northwood certainly didn't take the crown away from AMD.

Hell, we could even say they were about tied at that point if you prefer.
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Are you on crack ?

Northwood C crushed AXP as Conroe crushes A64 now...

P4C 2800 walked circles around AXP 3200+ which were as rare as hen's teeth when I could buy a P4C 3200
 
yea, I gotta back that one up. The Northwood started whipping on the XP around 2.8GHz. As soon as the 800MHz bus Northwoods appeared, it got a lot closer, but we still didn't really get our price wars, or even much of a change.

The P4 started showing its muscle, then got a kick in the head with Prescott at stock speeds.
 
Poncho said:
Are you nuts? The Athlon DID NOT out perform Intels northwood line. Yes, the initial P4 line sucked ass but the second northwood came out it shifted back to intel. Intels 845 and 865/875 line of chipsets/processor combos kicked AMD's ass. It wasn't until the prescott line, what 2 years ago?, that AMD took the crown in benchmarks. There is so little difference in real world usage that the ONLY people who thought AMD was king were the benchmark junkies, ie. !!!!!!s. AMD makes a good product, no disputing that, but it wasn't until nVidia came up to the plate with a good chipset that they became competitive. There is a basis for the reliability argument. VIA and SIS made SHIT chipsets that didn't do AMD's processors justice whereas Intel made their own chipsets and they worked perfectly EVERYTIME. Your processor is only as good as the platform (chipset) that it runs on, and it wasn't until nVidia came out with nForce2 that AMD became a force.
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Perfect everytime? BULLSHIT! I would have to look at past receipts to confirm the chipset that died a quick death. IIRC, known issue trying to run AGP 8x. AGP 8x was new back then, still, NO EXCUSES. From an Intel white paper, the "fix" was to run at AGP4x.
 
savantu said:
Are you on crack ?

Northwood C crushed AXP as Conroe crushes A64 now...

P4C 2800 walked circles around AXP 3200+ which were as rare as hen's teeth when I could buy a P4C 3200
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Seems that everyone has forgotten that the A64 has been kicking Intel's ass for years now.
 
KENNYB said:
Perfect everytime? BULLSHIT! I would have to look at past receipts to confirm the chipset that died a quick death. IIRC, known issue trying to run AGP 8x. AGP 8x was new back then, still, NO EXCUSES. From an Intel white paper, the "fix" was to run at AGP4x.
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The i820 chipset was pretty awesome and without flaws.
 
The 820 was the first that sprung to mind for me.

RDRAM to SDRAM converters bit a few in the arse...

Performance wasn't that good either, Via had a faster solution.
 
I remember that one, but it wasn't the one i was referring to. It was the chipset before the 875. It might have been a server chipset also. It didn't last long. I remember switching to an Asus P4C800-Deluxe and being much happier.
No one is perfect everytime.
 
I don't like what I see with conroe because it will cause AMD, which is still a small company in comparison to intel, to hurt for sure. I never did like how intel has done business, but obviously this conroe will be an awesome cpu, and I myself will buy one if its the better product most likely.

What I cannot stand is the way people get about this, people from "sides" start upping one company or the other. Believe me these stupid companies have no people loyalty, and will do whatever is an intelligent business decision. Intel's conroe only comes out of them wanting to make more money, its not based on the same reason you love it, for the love of performance. No shit? Obviously... So why would someone "love" this or that company.. retarded.

Death to console gaming, death to pc gaming, death to windows, death to intel, death to amd, and death to any company which gets upped by their competitor or enough FUD can be created! I love forums :>
 
wee96 said:
Conroe looks promising, but the whole "taking sides" to computer parts is hilariously childish. I love AMD and Intel cpu's, both perform really well these days, I guess its the middle/high school kids who create the "cyber gangs" AMD vs.Intel.
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I second that. It seems like some inferiority complex behind these gangs; one goes behind the curtains for a couple of years and so much rage is built up by their zealots. I have two functional Intel PCs, out of three total (third is my newest, in sig). This is my first AMD gaming PC, and suddenly I am an AMD !!!!!! according to a select minority? I vote with money, not forum passes.
 
KENNYB said:
Seems that everyone has forgotten that the A64 has been kicking Intel's ass for years now.
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Yes, it has been giving a good run, but what about a few years back when it was clear - you want to game you go AMD - you want intense encoding / multimedia - you went intel

To me that is not AMD kicking intel's ass. Each had their strong points - it was when AMD Opteron's and such came out they began to take over everything from Intel P4 / Xeon lines - the last 2 years ?

So no, AMD has not been owning intel since 99' as someone said, that is nothing more then a day dream - or a comment from someone who only plays games. So many people seems to forget that a PC has "multiple" uses - not just gaming.
 
Yeah, fsck all these stupid AMD buyers. For years, I have been purchasing the inferior Intel product at a higher price and was never swayed by any benchmarks or these f-boys telling me that Intel was a poor choice. Ha! I told them: HA!

Now, almost six years since Intel wasn't really competing anymore, I finally get to tell them: I told you so since sometime in the future, there is a good chance that Intel will be faster. Boy, I showed them, didn't I! But instead of just sticking with ridiculous brand loyalty, I have done better: I can now behave condescently towards these idiots that buy the better product, despite what my marketing guys tell them.
 
robberbaron said:
Whatever.
Press conference > retail product.

That's why crossfire has done so well against SLI.
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That hit the nail on the head! Perfectly well said.
 
drizzt81 said:
Yeah, fsck all these stupid AMD buyers. For years, I have been purchasing the inferior Intel product at a higher price and was never swayed by any benchmarks or these f-boys telling me that Intel was a poor choice. Ha! I told them: HA!

Now, almost six years since Intel wasn't really competing anymore, I finally get to tell them: I told you so since sometime in the future, there is a good chance that Intel will be faster. Boy, I showed them, didn't I! But instead of just sticking with ridiculous brand loyalty, I have done better: I can now behave condescently towards these idiots that buy the better product, despite what my marketing guys tell them.
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I lolled.

There was a post in the AMD forum by a guy that has a 478 board and was basically saying this, except he was serious.
 
Don't matter to me, I win both ways.


I have the best intel proc and the best amd proc. When the FX62 and the conroe comes out, I'll have both of those.
 
drizzt81 said:
Yeah, fsck all these stupid AMD buyers. For years, I have been purchasing the inferior Intel product at a higher price and was never swayed by any benchmarks or these f-boys telling me that Intel was a poor choice. Ha! I told them: HA!

Now, almost six years since Intel wasn't really competing anymore, I finally get to tell them: I told you so since sometime in the future, there is a good chance that Intel will be faster. Boy, I showed them, didn't I! But instead of just sticking with ridiculous brand loyalty, I have done better: I can now behave condescently towards these idiots that buy the better product, despite what my marketing guys tell them.
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Six years? Try two years champ. ;)

And as far as being "bitter" about Intel's newly found and definitely long term dominance in the enthusiast space via Conroe, which many of the AMD-crowd strangely seems to be riled up about, I don't understand it. Unless you're getting checks from them, you shouldn't be loyal to any "brand" per se. It's like Camaro owners sniping at Mustang drivers. Neither crowd is getting a check from Ford or Chevy. Stupid.

Though I personally never felt the need to go to an AMD-based platform the past two years as my P4 2.4C Northwood overclocked to 3GHz was more than up to the job in any circumstance, I felt they definitely offered the best performance at the CPU level. AMD won almost all of the critical benchmarks over that span. Good for them, nice to see that it's possible for a smaller firm to compete at that level.

And now, good for Intel. Nice to see them back on top, proving Netburst was a strategic mistake in planning, and not evidence of an erosion of technical design talent at the company, which many AMD-fans seem to have been falsely led into believing. No, the technical R&D prowess at Intel is alive and well, and will likely extend their lead over smaller rivals the rest of the decade.

Good for all of us. Competition improves the breed. Hopefully AMD will be able to respond to NGMA with an architecture that's somewhat competitive in a couple years, further pushing the envelope. Until that point, it's a Conroe world and we're just livin' in it.
 
Mako360 said:
Six years? Try two years champ. ;)

And as far as being "bitter" about Intel's newly found and definitely long term dominance in the enthusiast space via Conroe, which many of the AMD-crowd strangely seems to be riled up about, I don't understand it. Unless you're getting checks from them, you shouldn't be loyal to any "brand" per se. It's like Camaro owners sniping at Mustang drivers. Neither crowd is getting a check from Ford or Chevy. Stupid.

Though I personally never felt the need to go to an AMD-based platform the past two years as my P4 2.4C Northwood overclocked to 3GHz was more than up to the job in any circumstance, I felt they definitely offered the best performance at the CPU level. AMD won almost all of the critical benchmarks over that span. Good for them, nice to see that it's possible for a smaller firm to compete at that level.

And now, good for Intel. Nice to see them back on top, proving Netburst was a strategic mistake in planning, and not evidence of an erosion of technical design talent at the company, which many AMD-fans seem to have been falsely led into believing. No, the technical R&D prowess at Intel is alive and well, and will likely extend their lead over smaller rivals the rest of the decade.

Good for all of us. Competition improves the breed. Hopefully AMD will be able to respond to NGMA with an architecture that's somewhat competitive in a couple years, further pushing the envelope. Until that point, it's a Conroe world and we're just livin' in it.
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QFT!
 
If it counts for anything, I haven't yet considered buying Conroe. Even if I had the money, I wouldn't do it. I would like to see AMD's offerings before making a decision. It's not because I favor AMD. It's just that I like to see all my options before making an investment. I'm sure most of you are the same.
 
im usally for intel, i sold my last pentium d setup so i could go with a mini setup. im very happy i did.
 
Sable said:
One of the dumbest things I've ever read. So because people have AMD processors if a new processor comes out that;s faster than AMD's fastest then suddenly they're all bandwagon jumpers?!

People are excited about Conroe because it looks like a very good processor and they have no brand loyalty. The true diehard AMD fans are saying "there must be something wrong with the benches", the people who happen to own AMD but appreciate good, new technology are saying "excellent, intel are competative again.

:rolleyes:
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Sort of.

The AMD fans are sometimes realistic, and will find fault with AMD for not getting their ass in gear and innovating. Now Intel is ahead - oh well, looks like my next PC will be an Intel.
 
Mako360 said:
Six years? Try two years champ. ;)

And as far as being "bitter" about Intel's newly found and definitely long term dominance in the enthusiast space via Conroe, which many of the AMD-crowd strangely seems to be riled up about, I don't understand it. Unless you're getting checks from them, you shouldn't be loyal to any "brand" per se. It's like Camaro owners sniping at Mustang drivers. Neither crowd is getting a check from Ford or Chevy. Stupid.

Though I personally never felt the need to go to an AMD-based platform the past two years as my P4 2.4C Northwood overclocked to 3GHz was more than up to the job in any circumstance, I felt they definitely offered the best performance at the CPU level. AMD won almost all of the critical benchmarks over that span. Good for them, nice to see that it's possible for a smaller firm to compete at that level.

And now, good for Intel. Nice to see them back on top, proving Netburst was a strategic mistake in planning, and not evidence of an erosion of technical design talent at the company, which many AMD-fans seem to have been falsely led into believing. No, the technical R&D prowess at Intel is alive and well, and will likely extend their lead over smaller rivals the rest of the decade.

Good for all of us. Competition improves the breed. Hopefully AMD will be able to respond to NGMA with an architecture that's somewhat competitive in a couple years, further pushing the envelope. Until that point, it's a Conroe world and we're just livin' in it.
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While I agree what you're saying in general, and I'm getting a conroe when they come out, I must point out that for the next few months, my FX-60 still dominates you're conroe.....

Because there is no fucking conroe that anyone normal can buy yet. So no matter how you spin it, AMD still has the best chips in the world that a consumer can buy.

I'm personally sick of Intel !!!!!!s pretending that Conroe is out, and I'm sick of AMD !!!!!!s pretending it's going to suck. People, it's a processor, not the superbowl.....
 
Why can't people just buy whatever gives them the most value for the money they have to spend and not worry about branding (Videocards and CPUs alike).
 
computerpro3 said:
not the superbowl.....
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SuperPi scores are way more important than the superbowl.

WaterIsTasty said:
why are people so brand loyal :confused:
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Few reasons. Some feel the need to align themselves with a faction. Those are the ones that lack hope.
Others stay "loyal" to a brand due to either past positive experiences with said brand or past negative experiences with the competing brand(s).
 
WaterIsTasty said:
why are people so brand loyal :confused:
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People are brand loyal because of a media that, having run out of creative, useful ideas, fills up airtime and magazine space with lists and comparisons; whether it's the top 100 songs of all time, or the worst 100 songs of all time, or the 100 most bootilicious asses in the world, or the stupidest, biggest, fattest, grossest things people will do. Any excuse to strap on the foam finger and scream WE'RE #1 JERKFACE! Look how many threads in these forums agonize over the same 10% performance variance, as though, if only I can get my Opteron up to 2.8 instead of a lousy (haha) 2.6, THEN I will have achieved something. Does anyone actually get any work done with these machines, other than crunching imaginary numbers and posting the results? I go through phases where I just can't leave well enough alone. A machine running smoothly is a machine that can be pushed a bit further. Part of it, of course, is just tinkerer's fun. But there is a strong streak of neurotic energy that runs through this hobby.

The need to form camps and choose a side probably is buried deep within our reptilian brains. That's why the world is screwed. Humans are flawed, paranoid creatures who take pleasure in the wrong choices of others, as though someone else's poor decision elevates their own self-serving acts. Branding is for chumps. Use what works and pay as little as necessary. You'll be replacing it in a coupla years anyways...
 
I am stunned how 6 month away technology has managed to beat current technology.

This isn't my bias talking here. Conroe is 6 months away, and it managed to beat the fastest AMD has put out thus far. Why is this a shocker? Intel made mistaked in the past, and managed to rectify them. Big deal. People tend to do that. Lets wait for independent benchmarks and the rival's offering hmmm?
 
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