ATI Radeon X1900 Now Shipping !!!

$549 for an XT model
$599 for the crossfire edition
$699 for the XTX Model
 
those prices are insane... but hey, its the laws of supply / demand... we all know these are available in limited numbers, and the demand is huge. I know someone bought 2 of those $700 cards to try to put them in a crossfire board and paid to expedite them, and tomorrow we'll see benches are reviews.

I've been seeing this trend... the vid card market has left the arena of 16-25 age group without such expendable income... they tailor to the new older variety who have to have the best and the group of those who dont have the money but are addicted to the new vid card technology...

I miss the days of when the most expensive video card was just over $100. I wonder what the profit margins for video cards are... post design, engineering, manufacturing, and advertising... per unit, I'm willing to wager they are much cheaper to produce than we can imagine, and untill we see some serious chinese competition, the prices will not drop in-line.

vava la socialism ! ... hehe

wishfull thinking
 
Iria said:
those prices are insane... but hey, its the laws of supply / demand... we all know these are available in limited numbers, and the demand is huge. I know someone bought 2 of those $700 cards to try to put them in a crossfire board and paid to expedite them, and tomorrow we'll see benches are reviews.

I've been seeing this trend... the vid card market has left the arena of 16-25 age group without such expendable income... they tailor to the new older variety who have to have the best and the group of those who dont have the money but are addicted to the new vid card technology...

I miss the days of when the most expensive video card was just over $100. I wonder what the profit margins for video cards are... post design, engineering, manufacturing, and advertising... per unit, I'm willing to wager they are much cheaper to produce than we can imagine, and untill we see some serious chinese competition, the prices will not drop in-line.
vava la socialism ! ... hehe
wishfull thinking
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Now, I don't know about you, but when I purchased the Voodoo2 and it was the best at the time, it ran me $150. I figured that $250 is pushing it for the high-end.
 
I am about to build an almost complete system (have HDDs, ODDs, etc.) for $700. That's insane!

-bZj
 
J Macker said:
Now, I don't know about you, but when I purchased the Voodoo2 and it was the best at the time, it ran me $150. I figured that $250 is pushing it for the high-end.
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Wow! Someone with sanity in mind like myself. I thought getting my X800 2 years ago was pushing it at the $399 mark. Hell, I cringed at $299 for my R8500 when it came out. This is just too much anymore. I have a high 5 figure income and refuse to pay this much. The X1800XL will continue dropping, and thats more than enough to game at 1280x1024. This is ridiculous with the way we have excepted these inflated prices on graphics cards.
 
J Macker said:
Now, I don't know about you, but when I purchased the Voodoo2 and it was the best at the time, it ran me $150. I figured that $250 is pushing it for the high-end.
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I paid $119 a piece for mine after 3dfx started manufacturing them. But before this, remember that Creative Labs brought the 12MB V2's to market first at a price of $299 each....

Now double that cost for SLI. Now compare how those two 12MB V2's perform against a single X1900XTX 512MB. $699 isn't that much of an increase in price for a newly released card compared to what the best of the best cost us 6-7 years ago. The prices will come down in time.
 
DejaWiz said:
I paid $119 a piece for mine after 3dfx started manufacturing them. But before this, remember that Creative Labs brought the 12MB V2's to market first at a price of $299 each....

Now double that cost for SLI. Now compare how those two 12MB V2's perform against a single X1900XT 512MB. $699 isn't that much of an increase in price for a newly released card compared to what the best of the best cost us 6-7 years ago. The prices will come down in time.
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You want to compare something that was 'state of the art' 6-7 years ago to something that came out yesterday. Puh-lease....

As for prices coming down: I am suprised how stable prices have been. Even now, the price for a 6800GT is still close to $300, which is completely ridiculous, considering that the 7800GT is about the same (ok, so it's $30-$50 more, but close enough).
 
Iria said:
those prices are insane... but hey, its the laws of supply / demand... we all know these are available in limited numbers, and the demand is huge. I know someone bought 2 of those $700 cards to try to put them in a crossfire board and paid to expedite them, and tomorrow we'll see benches are reviews.

I've been seeing this trend... the vid card market has left the arena of 16-25 age group without such expendable income... they tailor to the new older variety who have to have the best and the group of those who dont have the money but are addicted to the new vid card technology...

I miss the days of when the most expensive video card was just over $100. I wonder what the profit margins for video cards are... post design, engineering, manufacturing, and advertising... per unit, I'm willing to wager they are much cheaper to produce than we can imagine, and untill we see some serious chinese competition, the prices will not drop in-line.

vava la socialism ! ... hehe

wishfull thinking
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What are you talking about? :confused:
The 7800 GTX 512 is more $$$ and is worst preformance! I think they are priced right! ;)
And as far as the $$$ going up, the tech has gone up as well so yes it does take more $$ to create these cards.
 
You want to compare something that was 'state of the art' 6-7 years ago to something that came out yesterday. Puh-lease....
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I think you completely missed my point here. I was speaking on the premise of economics from a cost to performance ratio.

Let me try and put it another way in hopes to stifle sarcastic bantering from anyone:

2 x V2 12MB = $600 at time of release.

1 x X1900XTX = $700 at time of release.

$100 inflation over the course of 6-7 years for cutting-edge consumer level graphics technology isn't really a whole lot. Especially if one does factor in the increase in things like 1.) amount of VRAM, 2.) core speed, 3.) memory speed, 4.) performance, 5.) features, 6.) capablilities, 7.) and on and on and on.

So puh-lease, before anyone starts copping an attitude, think before you type something in an insulting manner.

$700 for a gpu card is definitely out of my price range now, as was $600 6-7 years ago. But, based on the amount of money I make now as opposed to back then, I was able to easily afford my $300 7800GT after I sold my two 6600GT's for about $100 each. I don't know, maybe I'm smart with my spending or maybe I'm just luckier than a lot of others.
 
Not even the extensive R&D required for the new tech is a good enough excuse to bump the prices this high...

I was also the owner of the VoDoo 2, 3, and 5... rock solid cards, too bad 3dfx died and got bought out by NV, could have used a 3rd competitor that actual makes different tech and not re-lables ATI or NV tech.

Consider that your entire computer has been having R&D done to all of its hardware by all sorts of companies to make it better and faster, now this is how you compute true price increase... what % of your cumulative single computer build went towars the gfx card? ... because $700 would probably now be 50% of the price of a high end comp. That is how much the price has increased with proportion to an entire comp, and thats why its insane. Compare the price of other items you own to this card... if I was to buy one, the first thing I know I wouldnt be able to afford is my car insurance... HA...

Gfx cards were suppose to be for gamers... what happened... did the hardcore gamer start making a shitload more of money? or did the demographic simply shift?

oh well, hoping things will change wont do anything, simply not buying it might but I know theres ppl out there who will... so /rant off ... and off I got to play on my OCd 7800GT
 
DejaWiz said:
I think you completely missed my point here. I was speaking on the premise of economics from a cost to performance ratio.

Let me try and put it another way in hopes to stifle sarcastic bantering from anyone:

2 x V2 12MB = $600 at time of release.

1 x X1900XT = $700 at time of release.

$100 inflation over the course of 6-7 years for cutting-edge consumer level graphics technology isn't really a whole lot. Especially if one does factor in the increase in things like 1.) amount of VRAM, 2.) core speed, 3.) memory speed, 4.) performance, 5.) features, 6.) capablilities, 7.) and on and on and on.

So puh-lease, before anyone starts copping an attitude, think before you type something in an insulting manner.

$700 for a gpu card is definitely out of my price range now, as was $600 6-7 years ago. But, based on the amount of money I make now as opposed to back then, I was able to easily afford my $300 7800GT after I sold my two 6600GT's for about $100 each. I don't know, maybe I'm smart with my spending or maybe I'm just luckier than a lot of others.
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think you are little wrong here... I also feel 700 dollars is bs

you forgot to add the 2nd x1900xt if you want to compare then and now

2 x V2 12MB = $600 at time of release.

2 x X1900XT = $1400 at time of release
 
Iria said:
Not even the extensive R&D required for the new tech is a good enough excuse to bump the prices this high...
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I completely agree with you, but higher prices are completely inevitable. Always have been. Especially for "cutting-edge".

doox00 said:
think you are little wrong here... I also feel 700 dollars is bs

you forgot to add the 2nd x1900xt if you want to compare then and now

2 x V2 12MB = $600 at time of release.

2 x X1900XT = $1400 at time of release
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We all need to keep in mind that one had to buy 2 V2's in order to play at a maximum resolution of 1024x768 at 16bit. Now, a single 7800 series or X1800/X1900 series is good for 1280x1024+ at 32bit with FSAA, AA, SM3.0, HDR, etc.

As far as "cutting-edge" goes, anyone running a game today and is hardware limited to 1024x768 with no FSAA, no AF, etc isn't running anything worth a crap. I'm not dissing on anyone that is limited like this, but as far as todays "cutting-edge" is concerned, it isn't anything special.
 
ShepsCrook said:
$549 for an XT model
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They have already raised the price to $599.


DejaWiz said:
1 x X1900XT = $700 at time of release.
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I assume that you meant to refer to the X1900 XTX, since you can get the XT for $525. The XTX can be had for $626.99, not exactly a bargain, but quite a bit better than the phantom 7800GTX 512 for $750 - $800.
 
I look at it as cost vs how long will I use it. (tend to build a new system every two years) I'm simply not willing to spend that much money on graphics, even if I could afford it.

I may be forced to give up being a PC game junkie. :(
 
dali71 said:
I assume that you meant to refer to the X1900 XTX, since you can get the XT for $525. The XTX can be had for $626.99, not exactly a bargain, but quite a bit better than the phantom 7800GTX 512 for $750 - $800.
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Dang it, I did mean the XTX, not the XT... previous posts edited....

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. ;)
 
Got my X1900XTX the night before the NDA lifted at Newegg for $599. $602 shipped and it will be here tomorrow.

I see [H] is pimpin' Monarch this launch too bad Newegg has better prices! haha :D
 
drizzt81 said:
You want to compare something that was 'state of the art' 6-7 years ago to something that came out yesterday. Puh-lease....

As for prices coming down: I am suprised how stable prices have been. Even now, the price for a 6800GT is still close to $300, which is completely rediculous, considering that the 7800GT is about the same (ok, so it's $30-$50 more, but close enough).
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*ridiculous. so much for your sig.... lol
 
dnottis said:
Got my X1900XTX the night before the NDA lifted at Newegg for $599. $602 shipped and it will be here tomorrow.

I see [H] is pimpin' Monarch this launch too bad Newegg has better prices! haha :D
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Good deal and congrats on the find!
 
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