For the Love of the God help me ..Dell 3007WFP

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agrosagros

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Hello everyone.....
I am pulling the trigger on a dell 3007 Wfp in a few hours ……
A strait and simple question to the owners of that Lcd …….
Compared with the 2405 how is the ……
1. Color quality ….
2. Black level…
3. Text – Desktop clarity

Building up a new rig as we speak consists an Amd 4400+ a single Ati x1900xt 2gigs of ram ….
All I want is my 2 favorite games WoW and Eq2 plays acceptable ……..
Please help me choose 2405 or the 3007 ……..
Looking forward for your replays and appreciate your time you gona spend givvin me your advice ……
Cheers all !!!!!!!!!!!
 
Text clarity will be good for both, they have similar panels and similar DPI.
 
Why on earth would you spend $2,200 - $2,300 dollars for a 30" LCD?

1) You're going to KILL your frame rates for games due to the high native rez.

2) That's a TON of money, $800 - $1,000 more than a 37" Westinghouse ( 1920 x 1080 Native )

3) That's money you can use on a new motherboard and CPU, like getting an Opteron 170 and running it @ 2.6GHz and having the SAME EXACT power as an FX-60.

4) You mentioned WoW. World of Warcraft looks awesome on a 37" LCD. BWL and Molten Core come alive.

Good Luck.

P.S. Hints on how to get your own questions answered. Google your question or do a search here or on anand with the key search word being "3007", Dell and WFP being optional. Anything reported, reviewed or talked about in re: to this item will pop up in this search, thus, having your questions answered.
 
Yeah, even with a X1900XT the 3007 will murder your framerate or force you to kill the detail settings in games, its also really overpriced on the dell usa website right now.

I should ask, what monitor are you using now?
 
SixFootDuo said:
4) You mentioned WoW. World of Warcraft looks awesome on a 37" LCD. BWL and Molten Core come alive.
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WoW doesn't run at 1920x1080... it runs at 1920x1200. That means you need to downscale the game to a lower resolution and at 37" that'd be ridiculous.
 
I wouldn't get the 30" unless I was doing a lot of proofing and needed the extra real estate. Really the only advantage I see with the 30" is that I could have more windows open and have more space for web browsing. (I find the 2405 to be slightly small vertically sometimes, then again I never run any browser windows full screen.)

The resolution on it is simply to large to be practical for

Gaming
DVD's
Pretty much anything but 2D text and picture work

You could always scale to a lower res for games. I have nothing against scaling on the 2405 but the sheer size of the monitor would probably show off the negative effects more than the positive I think. Also the contrast level is lower than the 2405 which means even more milky grey blacks than the 2405. IMO this is the biggest fault with LCD technology, I don't think I could live with anything worse than the 2405. That and the viewing angle is kind of narrow. I think the question you should ask yourself is what exactly do you need a 30" monitor for that the 2405 can't provide you?

Personally I will keep my 2405 for general PC use and wait until 50"+ 1080p Plasmas and DLP's become the norm at sub $2000 price range for gaming and DVD's etc.
 
SixFootDuo said:
1) You're going to KILL your frame rates for games due to the high native rez.

2) That's a TON of money, $800 - $1,000 more than a 37" Westinghouse ( 1920 x 1080 Native )
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1) You're not forced to use native res, and 1900x1200 would look amazing in games with 3007 I'll bet.

2) The westinghouse has far shittier res and DPI. Good TV, not so good monitor.
 
Depends on what your main use of the computer is. If you are gaming most of the time, the 2405 is probably better, if you are doing web/im/ftp/programming/photoshop/word/etc (2d stuff) go with the 3007.
 
RexPokinghorn Quote:
Originally Posted by SixFootDuo
4) You mentioned WoW. World of Warcraft looks awesome on a 37" LCD. BWL and Molten Core come alive.


WoW doesn't run at 1920x1080... it runs at 1920x1200. That means you need to downscale the game to a lower resolution and at 37" that'd be ridiculous.

What? I have the sceptre 37" naga and I am running WoW at 1920-1080 right now as we speak. And FIY, ALMOST ALL PC GAMES SUPPORT 1920-1080. As long as the game supports widesreen, it automatically supports different variations of widescreen. For example, COD2 supports widescreen, and there are options for 1900-1200 or 1900-1080.

As to the decision of purchasing a 30in lcd that has a high native res as that is a waste of money at that price. You cannot game at that res without killing your fps and you can get a larger lcd monitor for less.

I previously had the 2005fpw, and have purchased the sceptre 37" from costco for $1500 before tax and shipping. I do not have a digital camera, and currently wish I did, because the picture difference is the EXACT SAME. The sceptre is just as sharp, vibrant colors, and just owns gaming on a 37" monitor. At 1920-1080, WoW and COD2 look awesome. Also, the sceptre has hdmi, hdcp, component, s video, vga, composite, and dvi connections. Plus, it comes with ntsc and atsc tuner cards. Why someone would purchase the dell 30" over the sceptre 37" is beyond me.
 
NulloModo said:
Depends on what your main use of the computer is. If you are gaming most of the time, the 2405 is probably better, if you are doing web/im/ftp/programming/photoshop/word/etc (2d stuff) go with the 3007.
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Dude......the 3007....................get it! :D :D
 
Personally I'd go with the bigger screen. An earlier poster mentioned pixel density and he's certainly right, more density means a sharper image. But if you sit back from the 37" LCD by a few feet you don't notice that sort of thing. Hell even close up it's not bad. While it's also true you can just have the LCD interpolate and use a lower resolution (like 1920x1080) with the 3007FPW then you will still not be achieving the optimum image the display is capable of. Native resolutions will always look better and I for one am disappointed at having to run any resolution other than native.

BTW a lot of games DO have problems with widescreen. Notable ones. BattleField 2. X3 Reunion. Those are two just off the top of my head. They do not support proper aspect ratios at widescreen resolutions so even if you play in native res it still looks like crap (IMO).
 
Did you mean to say, WoW doesn't run for YOU at 1920 x 1080? Because for everyone else, includling 3 other RL friends here in town, it does.

Maybe you have some hacked up modded drivers or a shade tree video card. Whatever the case may be, .....
 
KingZim said:
Why someone would purchase the dell 30" over the sceptre 37" is beyond me.
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The big reason is screen real estate. The Dell has almost twice the useable desktop space as the Sceptre/Westinghouse does. Personally, 1920x1080 is just not high enough of a desktop resolution for me to be happy with.

When you have open a couple web broswer windows, an AIM buddy list with several IM windows, maybe a webcam window, maybe a photoshop window, winamp + playlist or maybe a torrent playing in media player, etc, it is nice to have it all visible at the same time and not have to overlap.

True, the 3007 will kill your gaming FPS or require something like X1900XTXs in Crossfire, but gaming is not the primary reason many of us have computers. Personally, I could care less about what my framerates are, I have a Xbox360 and PS2 for when I want to play games.
 
i think that paying 2000$ for and untested LCD is a big risk, wait till the monitor becomes more widespread and read reviews, you never know what kind of weird problems you are going to run into, which needles to say will cause you a lot of frustration since you will be testing an untested , new product for dell....

stick with a 2405 and save a lot of money.....


good luck .....
 
you silly americans paying $2000USD for the 30"
Up here in Crazy Canada we can get it for around $1400 USD :D
 
latief75 said:
i think that paying 2000$ for and untested LCD is a big risk, wait till the monitor becomes more widespread and read reviews, you never know what kind of weird problems you are going to run into, which needles to say will cause you a lot of frustration since you will be testing an untested , new product for dell....

stick with a 2405 and save a lot of money.....


good luck .....
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Ever heard of Dells 21 day return policy? Yeahhhh...might wanna check that out......
 
I just got my 3007WFP with the $1599 CAD deal dell was running for small businesses for 1 day... and its the most amazing monitor i've ever seen, TV's included.

However, i have a athlon X2 @ 2.6ghz and 2GB of ram with SLI 7800 GTX's. I run CS:S at 2560x1600 with 2x FSAA and get 100-140fps constant, with occassional dips to 70. However, most games don't run as amazing. BF2 is smooth as butter as well, but only with FSAA off. Most of my games have to have FSAA off.

Need for Speed Most Wanted runs "smooth" at 2560x1600, but only with FSAA disabled. Enabling FSAA is framerate suicide with the 3007WFP.

You pretty much 100% need SLI or crossfire to get away with a 30" LCD... but jesus murphy, if you get one, it's a wet dream. I am a web designer as well, so image quality was my main reason for buying this screen over larger ones (nothing else is 2560x1600 besides the apple, which had a stinker response time, rendering it useless for gaming imo). This screen is a web designer's wet dream, you can have like 5-6 apps all running at once.
 
p.s. for people having their dell's stuck at 1280x800 resolution - try nvidia 81.98. The 82.12's DO NOT support the dell 3007wfp - this is directly from nvidia. It was an error in the release notes.

I tried 82.12 and was stuck at 1280x800.. put 81.98's in, no problems. Also, no dead pixels or stuck pixels...
 
tim-x said:
you silly americans paying $2000USD for the 30"
Up here in Crazy Canada we can get it for around $1400 USD :D
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That is the only thing stopping me from buying one yet. If they offer than price in Canada, they have to be able to offer it in the US as well. When we can get it for $1400 I am on it in a heartbeat.
 
However, i have a athlon X2 @ 2.6ghz and 2GB of ram with SLI 7800 GTX's. I run CS:S at 2560x1600 with 2x FSAA and get 100-140fps constant, with occassional dips to 70. However, most games don't run as amazing. BF2 is smooth as butter as well, but only with FSAA off. Most of my games have to have FSAA off.
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You are using the 7800 GTX's 512 MB or the 256 Mb and if you use the 256'rs which brand ?
I have been told that some of them aint support dual link dvi or i am missing something?
 
I have two XFX 7800GTX 256mb cards in SLI mode.

I got them the day the 7800GTX's were released... so i'd have to say there's no "first generation cards don't support dual link" etc. etc... as far asi know, all gtx's support it.
 
Unless you spend all your time gaming, and absoloutly cannot deal with scaling, then I would go with the 3007. At least for me, there is no substitute for resolution. I am currently running 1920x1440 on my 19 inch CRT, at a great sacrifice to clarity, but it is definately worth it. Besides, it will be far cheaper to upgrade your monitor later on, and if you are going to dump over $1000 on a monitor, go for it all, and let your (cheaper) video hardware catch up later. Thnik of it as an investment, as monitors tend to be "good" the longest of any computer component.
 
I have the Dell 2001, 2405 & 3007, for years I have listened to people say that you must game at native resolution of the picture quality will be crap, bad, unacceptable, (insert bulldust here)

In 2d I agree, only run at native. In 3d games this is absolute rubbish, 9 out 10 people cant tell if a game is one or 2 settings below the native. The other one is a liar.
 
judging from the OP's situation, i would say the 30in would be perfect for him. but for the gamer who likes immersion? i would suggest any huge lcd. it doesn't have to be a 37in westy. the westy is just the most popular.
 
CAMS said:
I have the Dell 2001, 2405 & 3007, for years I have listened to people say that you must game at native resolution of the picture quality will be crap, bad, unacceptable, (insert bulldust here)

In 2d I agree, only run at native. In 3d games this is absolute rubbish, 9 out 10 people cant tell if a game is one or 2 settings below the native. The other one is a liar.
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Does the 3007 resemble more the picture quality of the 2005 or the 2405? Despite what most may say for me at least the picture quality on the 2405 isnt as good as the 2005. The colors seem more "washed out" and are not as vibrante and crisp as they are on the 2005.

Edit: Crap just realized you have a 2001 not 2005 :(
 
You will probably keep this monitor for several years. Who knows, by that time you will probably be able to get a vid card that will support such high resolutions.. at a low price. I say treat it as an investment and take the plunge.
 
I have the Dell 2001, 2405 & 3007, for years I have listened to people say that you must game at native resolution of the picture quality will be crap, bad, unacceptable, (insert bulldust here)
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Since you owning those two panels i am interesting in , can u give me please some clues if you compare them bout their....

1. Color quality ….
2. Black level…
3. Text – Desktop clarity...

Thanx again ......looking forward for your replay since its gona be critical .......
 
CAMS said:
I have the Dell 2001, 2405 & 3007, for years I have listened to people say that you must game at native resolution of the picture quality will be crap, bad, unacceptable, (insert bulldust here)

In 2d I agree, only run at native. In 3d games this is absolute rubbish, 9 out 10 people cant tell if a game is one or 2 settings below the native. The other one is a liar.
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Fooking AGREED. I can't believe these people either, who claim this. I scale down in games all the time on my 20.1" LCD, and it looks just fine, I can't see any distortion or other crap.
 
agrosagros said:
Since you owning those two panels i am interesting in , can u give me please some clues if you compare them bout their....
1. Color quality ….
2. Black level…
3. Text – Desktop clarity...
Thanx again ......looking forward for your replay since its gona be critical .......
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These have all been reviewed to death by people far more qualified than myself. I just use them and they all look OK to me. Dont Dell give you a 14 day return policy as in Australia?
If so what is the risk?
 
I have both the 24" and the 30" monitors from dell.

24" seems to have more vibrant colours (default), but the 30" is DEFINATELY softer on the eyes...The pixel pitch is a bit tighter on the 30" as well, or so it seems.

Desktop clarity is really good and on par with what I'm expecting from a DVI connection. It's crisp and noise free.

Black levels are really good as well, espectially compared to my 172x. It's a pretty close call with the 24" though.

L.
 
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