Final decision: ATI X1800XT or NVidia 7800GTX

well seeing as he hasnt replied yet...hes probably waiting for the new gen of cards lol..

...waiting for the next thread lol
 
I might be looking into a PCIe solution soon.

the x1800xt is a possibility, but I have some questions to consider it over a 7800.

Are the drivers OK now on the x1800s? are they solid yet?

does ati tool support overclocking of the ram now with the GPU on the x1800s?
 
jpinard said:
OK, I think I've sold my current video card and I have to make a decision in the next 2 days. Do I go with the ATI X1800XT video card, or the NVidia 7800GTX based card? Don't let price be a factor.

I will have to swap out my motherboard at this point too. So if I get the ATI card, I'll get the ATI (shown below), and if I get the NVidia card, I'll get an NV board (shwo below).

ATI Crossfire board (A8R-MVP ):
http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=15&l3=236&model=787&modelmenu=1

Asus NV SLI board (A8N32-SLI Deluxe)
http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=15&l3=0&model=744&modelmenu=1

I'm also getting the Creative Labs XiFi sound card too (the cheapest version).

I am really desparate for some good advice. So I thank all of you that come in and help me make a tough decision. Thank you so very much!
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I just faced the same decision within the lat few days. I have always preferred ATI, but I switched to NVIDIA last year with the introduction of SLI. My first purchase an ASUS SLI MB and 2 ASUS 6800 Ultras. I am now runing a DFI MB with 2 7800 GTX's and I could not be happier.
 
Trimlock said:
they were never not ok, x1800's always had solid drivers...
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yeh thay have been solid and theyve been improving the speed...cant complain :)
 
Personally I would buy a Nforce 4 mobo and a 7800GT since it's the best for the buck and wait for the new Nvidia card and if youc an wait till Summer 06' the new ATI cards since they are behind by 6 months at ATI egads!

Anyways wait wait wait give it 2 months or so I beg you.

Hell I might be running Intel here by the end of the year 06's and nvidia or ATI but probably Nvidia again since like I said ATI is 6 months behind and a dollar short.
 
The R520 was extremely late, but the R580 is on schedule. I think it's going to release a couple of months (?) earlier than the G70.
 
Bona Fide said:
Green much?
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Ha. That does not help Crossfire one bit. It is too little, too late.

stiltner said:
For some reason, text is VERY fuzzy on the Nvidia.
Its not by any means subtle, its very easily noticed.
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I too noticed it, but it wasn't 'VERY' fuzzy (must be your monitor). I simply went into color correction and found the sharpness slider (it was set on 'off'), and increased it-- improved the clarity enormously.
 
cyks said:
Ha. That does not help Crossfire one bit. It is too little, too late.
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Calling Crossfire, pathetic, is simply ignorant. Too little, too late? Thats arguable. X1800XT Crossfire is faster than 256 GTX's, has more features, and is not much more expensive.
 
Sc4freak said:
The R520 was extremely late, but the R580 is on schedule. I think it's going to release a couple of months (?) earlier than the G70.
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Paper launch maybe. Where did you get these launch dates from?
 
fallguy said:
Calling Crossfire, pathetic, is simply ignorant. Too little, too late? Thats arguable. X1800XT Crossfire is faster than 256 GTX's, has more features, and is not much more expensive.
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Curious what does crossfire have more features on? I am wondering since I find it lacking atm but I am interested in anything new motherboard wise ATI comes out with soon moreso than any video card.
 
BBA said:
R580 = Two - Three weeks.
G70?
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Honestly there is no reason for ATI or Nvidia to release any card right now and maybe so in about 3 months or more. I take that back ATI needs to release some mid range high performers because the only thing they have right now are an XL and XT the X1600 is kind of a why bother card and anything less is well moot point I suppose. Nvidia has a ton of mid range cards and the fastest high end with ATI coming up with the XT I see no room for it. They should concentrate on 6600GT 6800GS areas they need it bad.
 
maybe he means G71? the R580 and the G71 will be a couple of weeks apart at most from what ive heard. im waiting to see what happens. i will most likely go G71 mostly because i dont want to swap out motherboards and everything. plus, i like SLI. :D
 
BBA said:
R580 = Two - Three weeks.
G70?
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R580 AND RD580 = 3 weeks

G71 = summer IMHO Nvidia can't even supply the phantom 7800GTX so how are they going to produce a new high end unless they use 1.2ns RAM.
 
cyks said:
Troll war? No thanks... I will tell you that there is a serious santax error with that statement (you, yourself, called crossfire pathetic), so you are ignorant too...in more ways than one.
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Im not trolling, just showing that you dont know the facts about Crossfire. Calling it pathetic, is well, pathetic. Then you try and divert the attention away from this fact. Good job. The simple fact is, X1800XT cards in Crossfire, have more features than GTX's. Saying that its pathetic, and too "little" (when Crossfire is faster generally), is simply silly. Go ahead and respond with more off topic dribble though. I wont reply or read it.

This thread is well beyond serving its purpose, and should be locked.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
R580 AND RD580 = 3 weeks

G71 = summer IMHO Nvidia can't even supply the phantom 7800GTX so how are they going to produce a new high end unless they use 1.2ns RAM.
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Summer sounds best business wise ATI should release later as well unless it's a midrange or mobile part these are key areas they lack big time.

I want to see a viable crossfire platform out by summer as well (crosses fingers).
 
fallguy said:
Im not trolling, just showing that you dont know the facts about Crossfire. Calling it pathetic, is well, pathetic. Then you try and divert the attention away from this fact. Good job. The simple fact is, X1800XT cards in Crossfire, have more features than GTX's. Saying that its pathetic, and too "little" (when Crossfire is faster generally), is simply silly. Go ahead and respond with more off topic dribble though. I wont reply or read it.

This thread is well beyond serving its purpose, and should be locked.
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Yes pathetic is a strong word to use it's not entirely a bad solution just poorly implemented. They really need to rework the crossfire system and let it fly.

Hey BTW what do you mean by features? Can you list what features you are talking about? I thought all it offered was the rare or phantom? HDR + AA thingy ma bobber. Avivo isn't new or past the sli thing though not sure what features I need to know dammit!
 
Humble_Magii said:
Summer sounds best business wise ATI should release later as well unless it's a midrange or mobile part these are key areas they lack big time.

I want to see a viable crossfire platform out by summer as well (crosses fingers).
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By summer, it will be a whole 1.5 years after SLI came out before it's readily available (we're already at 1 year and counting now). ATI really needs to make a strong statement in almost 9700Pro proportions with Crossfire. By now most enthusiasts who would use this are already using SLI.
 
kirbyrj said:
By summer, it will be a whole 1.5 years after SLI came out before it's readily available (we're already at 1 year and counting now). ATI really needs to make a strong statement in almost 9700Pro proportions with Crossfire. By now most enthusiasts who would use this are already using SLI.
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I agree with you I want to see the mastercard setup disappear it just sounds fishy to me I think they are doing something odd not to mention the dongle and they need to offer the same features Nforce 4 provides. So basically I should be able to buy two regular XT's or XL's no mastercard or special edition cards no bios quirks nothing it just should work and to top that off no dongle and the motherboard better have the same features I can get on nforce 4 at the least.
 
Humble_Magii said:
I agree with you I want to see the mastercard setup disappear it just sounds fishy to me I think they are doing something odd not to mention the dongle and they need to offer the same features Nforce 4 provides. So basically I should be able to buy two regular XT's or XL's no mastercard or special edition cards no bios quirks nothing it just should work and to top that off no dongle and the motherboard better have the same features I can get on nforce 4 at the least.
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Yeah, definitely drop the mastercard. The dongle I could live with I guess. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the Nvidia takeover of ULi for ATI mobo's.
 
Guys, I don't want to sound snobbish, but this forum is not a democracy. Assigned moderators and administrators make the decisions on interpreting [thread=760666]The Rules[/thread], not individual members. Members that make statements like "reporting for ban" or "I'm within the Rules" will have their posts removed just like flaming, trolling, etc. If you see a matter that requires our attention, report it using the "Report Bad Post" function. You don't need to make a spectacle of it. Also, I would not be in any hurry to make authoritative comments on what is and is not within the Rules.

Also remember that this is the root video card forum, and both red and green are fair game for criticism here.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
R580 AND RD580 = 3 weeks

G71 = summer IMHO Nvidia can't even supply the phantom 7800GTX so how are they going to produce a new high end unless they use 1.2ns RAM.
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:rolleyes:

Well if you are going to make up dates. The rumor is G71 around the same time as R580 & G80 this summer.

G80 will be DirectX 10. More than likely the first card to market with full support.

IF the R580 makes it out in 3 weeks that gives the R520 a total shelf life of only a few months.
 
PRIME1 said:
:rolleyes:

Well if you are going to make up dates. The rumor is G71 around the same time as R580 & G80 this summer.

G80 will be DirectX 10. More than likely the first card to market with full support.

IF the R580 makes it out in 3 weeks that gives the R520 a total shelf life of only a few months.
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R580 will mostly be a paper launch to show the market that they have something that can take ATI back on top but the actual product will be hard to find. If lucky only a few pieces will be in the market at extremely high prices.

I think the cards will be avaible in most stores by Mid Feb 2006.

If R580 is available in stores in 3 weeks, ATI will suffer a loss on their Radeon X1800 XT PE cards which have just released in limited quantities.
 
Well, I've really liked my X800 XT card a lot. I've not had any problems with games and they've run very nicely. Now my main decision is... do I wait for what could be a paper launch? If I wait and the X1900 costs $800, I've just wasted a lot of time. What PCIe motherboard do I upgrade to? I'll probbaly never run crossfire or SLI... I don't need to heat my "entire" house with my computer. I've been on the leading edge of motherboard releases before and been burned very badly (Asus + NF2) various "new" Via boards.

I guess if I didn't have my current card "sold" it'd be a lot easier to wait.
 
kirbyrj said:
By now most enthusiasts who would use this are already using SLI.
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That is big point. I was hanging on for xfire originally but they are taking the piss. I've had this setup for nearly 6 months now and can go SLi any time. Can any ATi user say they are ready to go xfire with their current rig by adding another video card? No.

ATi have dropped a bollock over xfire big time.
 
ATi have dropped a bollock over xfire big time
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to tell you the truth multi GPU set ups are not very good for business, money wise, the way NV has it set up it really doesn't matter, have it supported on their motherboards/drivers and set to go, not too much investment done, ATi is being rather lazy in this department and seems to not care a whole lot about it

either way its not a huge deal that ATi will not be able to obtain a leading market share in multi GPU technology, the fact that its out there to show off speed for marketing purposes is all that matters
 
It is possible that ATI is not to confident about crossfire and so they are releasing newer cards every other month.

If R580 releases in 3 weeks time then it will be just a month after X1800XT PE crossfire has been available in the stores.

If they were planning on releasing R580 so why bother with X1800XT PE. I think R580 will be a paper launch to show the market that they are still the best and to impress the investors.

Nvidia is just going to play the waiting game and see what ATI has to offer and then they will pull out their new product and the confusion in the market starts again.

They will never be an end to which product one should buy.

Next month there will be a new thread conparing 2 new products and we will be disucssing again. We will spend more time discussing which card is better and spend less time using the card for games. And then we will spend money agian for a new card and so on.
 
X1800XT is the best bang for the buck right now.

On a side note, anyone else find these forum admins annoying? True we had to weed through flames, but at least we had freedom of speech.
 
PRIME1 said:
IF the R580 makes it out in 3 weeks that gives the R520 a total shelf life of only a few months.
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ATI has been stocking piling R580s ICs for about a month now so really doubt it will be a paper launch (birdy is saying soon it will be launched). Dont forget that the R520 can move down in the 300-400 marketspace where ATI does not have anything to compete ATM...
 
fallguy said:
Im not trolling, just showing that you dont know the facts about Crossfire. Calling it pathetic, is well, pathetic. Then you try and divert the attention away from this fact. Good job. The simple fact is, X1800XT cards in Crossfire, have more features than GTX's. Saying that its pathetic, and too "little" (when Crossfire is faster generally), is simply silly. Go ahead and respond with more off topic dribble though. I wont reply or read it.
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I know the facts, and all they do is haze real world benifits and make Crossfire look more like a mod than an upgrade. Sure, Crossfire has SuperTiling, Super AA, Alternate Frame Rendering, and Scissoring, but similiar features are known to be more beneficial wihout Crossfire enabled, or only give 1.5x improvement..... again, no thanks.
 
It's a coin toss. One will perform better one one application while the other will do better on the other.

Go for the best deal unless it's very close in price then do some more research.

And remember 3-4 months down the road a new card will be available anyhow so it doen't really matter :)
 
IDF said:
It's a coin toss. One will perform better one one application while the other will do better on the other.

Go for the best deal unless it's very close in price then do some more research.

And remember 3-4 months down the road a new card will be available anyhow so it doen't really matter :)
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it also depends on what your going to do down the road. if your thinking about mutli card solutions, nvidia is the way to go atm. i believe that xfire still has some dinks and kinks that need to be worked out
 
Jbirney said:
ATI has been stocking piling R580s ICs for about a month now so really doubt it will be a paper launch (birdy is saying soon it will be launched). Dont forget that the R520 can move down in the 300-400 marketspace where ATI does not have anything to compete ATM...
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ATI will have to drop prices for thei X1800 XL, X1800 XL crossfire, X1800XT, X1800XT Crossfire and X1800XT PE Crossfire when they release X1900 XT.
 
I didn't think ATi officially ever made the X1800XT PE. I thought it was just one manufacturer that made a few overclocked versions of the X1800XT and called it a PE, and it doesn't even stand for Platinum Edition.
 
BBA said:
I didn't think ATi officially ever made the X1800XT PE. I thought it was just one manufacturer that made a few overclocked versions of the X1800XT and called it a PE, and it doesn't even stand for Platinum Edition.
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I think there are 3 companies with overclocked cards, Asus, HIS and Sapphire.

HIS calls their card X1800XT OC or something.
 
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