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I know this thread has probably been made a 100 times. But Im bringing it back for my own reference to looking at a new PC. I have been a P4 fan for years I am running P4 3.0e w/HT as my sig says. Im a pretty heavy gamer BF2, WoW, CS:S, Half-Life DM, F.E.A.R (if my PC could run it), and Quake 4. I am hearing so many mixed opinions on P4's are better than AMD 64's...AMD 64's are better than P4's. I just want the real low down on things. Ive read the AMD vs Intel on Hardocp, as I can see the AMD 64 has a world of more features than the Intel. I know this being the AMD forum you all are AMD heads and would encourage me to change to AMD 64, but I want the real truth. Because if I am going to spend money on a new computer I want it to be one that is long term, and that will DOMINATE any game I play in performance.


Thanks,
Chris
 
If you're looking at getting a top line for either, it's really going to boil down to your GPU, not your CPU. In some games, you'll get more FPS on AMD and vice versa, but really either is a fantastic choice. It's a good time to be a gamer. If I built a top line AMD and a top line Intel system, and put someone in front of both at the same time, I'd put up money that they couldn't tell which machine they were playing on.

 
Well if it boils down to the GPU and not the CPU. I would def need more RAM any suggestions on GOOD ram thats cheap. Lookin for about 2 gigs. and I know which video card Im going to pick up within the next few weeks...just need to figure ou the RAM
 
Oldie said:
If you're looking at getting a top line for either, it's really going to boil down to your GPU, not your CPU. In some games, you'll get more FPS on AMD and vice versa, but really either is a fantastic choice. It's a good time to be a gamer. If I built a top line AMD and a top line Intel system, and put someone in front of both at the same time, I'd put up money that they couldn't tell which machine they were playing on.

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:rolleyes: Truth is that yes the gpu plays a large part but so does the cpu. Fact is, there is no vice versa as pretty much every game will run ALOT faster on amd hardware or even a pentium M. I would not go pentium 4, for gaming I would go a64, pentium M is also a possibility however has much more hassle involved.
 
why you have a decent cpu already, vid might be your best bet, but the problem there is that the best vid cards are on pci-e, and if you have agp you're kinda stuck, either upgrade the p4 to pci-e or get the best agp card you can get... personally if i were going pci-e i'd also at the same time go amd dual core, whether x2 or opteron, doesn't matter... it'd give you an incredibly futureproof system, and would be better than intel's dual core solutions.
 
This is not the opinion of a FB, but I honestly can't see any reason why someone would want to buy an Intel CPU at the moment. Certainly they have some interesting tech that they will hit back with in 2006, but that is the future and this is now.

All the old arguments about AMD's stability, heat and mutlitasking abilities have long been put to bed. The roles have been completely reversed.

As for which AMD CPU to get, single or dual core, I would say dual core every time regardless of what you use your rig for. I don't own an X2 but I use one at work and it can take absolutely everything you can throw at it. Simply amazing performance.
 
Well I think I already have a DECENT CPU. I guess Ill just go for the best AGP card I can get. Until my CPU cant run games good anymore.
 
Slap two gigs of ram in, and get a cheap agp 6800, 6800gt, or 6800 ultra, and you'll be fine. I think for most games you really need at least 1gb of ram to run well, and 2gb is even better.
 
For gaming AMD64 is the best. AMD has simply been more innovative in my opinion. They are cheaper, cooler, more efficient and provide equal or better performance for gaming IMO.
 
For gaming, it doesn't matter a whole lot. With the right video card, either cpu will do the trick. The AMD is going to cost less both for the system and in the long run (power consumption) so it would probably make more sense to get.


Shameless Liar said:
For gaming AMD64 is the best. AMD has simply been more innovative in my opinion. They are cheaper, cooler, more efficient and provide equal or better performance for gaming IMO.
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That isn't an opinion, it's a fact. The main thing Intel has going for it is more advanced silicon processes (which will double Intel's profits per wafer, and customers will still pay the same price for the same product Intel has been selling for 2 years), thanks to the Israeli government and U.S. Government.

Of course, AMD gets its share of subsidies from the Germans and EU. They got $500 million for Fab36, the Israelis gave Intel $525 million for their 45nm fab.
 
To answer the original question, basically any athlon 64 proc is better than it's P4 price range equivalent. But with a 3.0ghz p4, you're not gonna see any difference except in benchmarks.

What you need to do is throw in another GB of ram and a GF6800GT or a radeon x800xl and you're all set for another ~2 years.

In that time, save up for a whole new computer because by that time none of your components will be transferrable. At that time you'll want dual core cpu, ddr2, pci express graphics, and for that you'll need another mobo.
 
Keep in mind that you also have better flexibility with upgrades when it comes to AMD. Any socket 939 motherboard out there is going to take all major flavors of AMD processors: Athlon, Operton, X2, FX, etc... While some of the newer Intel motherboards now support both the P4 6xx and 8xx processors, there are a ton of socket 775 motherboards out there that have tedious limitations: some don't support dual core, some don't even support the 6xx, others require DDR2, etc...
 
pureevilmatt said:
To answer the original question, basically any athlon 64 proc is better than it's P4 price range equivalent. But with a 3.0ghz p4, you're not gonna see any difference except in benchmarks.

What you need to do is throw in another GB of ram and a GF6800GT or a radeon x800xl and you're all set for another ~2 years.

In that time, save up for a whole new computer because by that time none of your components will be transferrable. At that time you'll want dual core cpu, ddr2, pci express graphics, and for that you'll need another mobo.
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Thanks a million. I think thats what Ill do.
 
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