Perfect Dark Zero: 9/10! "Best FPS since Halo 2!"

+Better-than-high-end PC visuals
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While Ive not played it, I really, really doubt this. I played CoD2 and it did look pretty good, but nothing like my PC version does. Perhaps their PC is an emachine.
 
Yeah, it's Far from "Better than PC Visuals"
CoS on the xbox 360 looks better than Perfect Dark Zero.
 
Oh yeah, anything from "The Offical XBOX Magazine" has got to be 100% unbiased.
 
Ballz2TheWallz said:
i hope all you nerds know that YOU are the minority, thinking halo2 was anything less then perfect, which is what the average consumers do think.


and yes average consumers will take halo2 over doom3 and hl2
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Actually, the average consumer thinks OMFG HALO IS DA BEST FPS EVAR.

Us 'nerds' (your posting on a hardware forum too..) think halo 2 is less than perfect is because WE ARE NERDS. We know about games. We can recognize good games from bad ones. Your average consumer can't.

So yea, we are the only minority that matters, and our opinion is actually based on comparison to other games.
 
J-M-E said:
Actually, the average consumer thinks OMFG HALO IS DA BEST FPS EVAR.

Us 'nerds' (your posting on a hardware forum too..) think halo 2 is less than perfect is because WE ARE NERDS. We know about games. We can recognize good games from bad ones. Your average consumer can't.

So yea, we are the only minority that matters, and our opinion is actually based on comparison to other games.
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I play just about every PC game released, yet halo 2 is on my top 5 games of all time.
 
Why is comparing PC graphics to consoles still a valid conversation topic?

And yes, nobody in their right mind actually thinks that the Xbox magazine, or anything officially xbox related has an objective point of view. Less than 3 days away from launch, the only thing we have in any official capacity is the IGN preview, and they have a real mixed opinion.

I just want something next gen to play co-op with. I want to hear about that feature.

Hopefully a next gen splinter cell will be along sooner rather than later.
 
I haven't tried the Co-Op yet....
I haven't opened the 2nd controller yet :)
Nobody to play with at the moment...
 
Lets agree to disagree!

This is basically an argument about Consoles vs PC FPS's, not Halo vs HL2 and Doom 3. I will take a risk and say that HL2 is the best fps on the PC right now and Halo 2 is the best console fps on the market. In terms of single player and story, HL2 smoked Halo 2 in every aspect. In terms of multiplayer, Halo 2 definately took most of my time. I loved the gravity gun and improved graphics of CS:Source, but when it came down to it, I would definately rather get a plasma gun SMG combo and pwn some noobs on Live than play an improved version of a game I have been playing for 6 years.

In terms of Perfect Dark Zero: Does it have a great single player? GOOD, then it's worth a rental. Does it have a multiplayer that PWNS Halo 2? GOOD, then play it with that one dude on LIVE killing himself over and over. THE POINT? It doesn't matter which FPS is the best if there is not a community to play it. In my dorm we are all networked. There are no CS:S lan games, no FEAR lan games, no other XBOX lan games. But if you want to play Halo 2, there are always at least 30 people playing.

IMO, what makes a multiplayer game great is the community surrounding it, not the subtle details of gameplay.
 
*disclaimer: i'm not even remotely a Halo fan boy, in fact I think it's incredibly overrated...but you all knew that*

I always see all the hate for Halo 2 (which I think is somewhat justified), but I can't see how anyone could call the first Halo better. I've never seen worse level design in a game so highly praised. Halo was the most repetitive game, an excuse for an A title I'll never understand but for the lack of other good titles at the time of its release. I don't mean offense to anyone, I just can't understand the halo > halo 2 comments.
 
You know I really haven't ever played through the first Halo, and I haven't finished Halo 2 yet, as multiplayer is what took over on that particular title. Speaking from hearing all my friends bitch about the cliffhanger ending and having to play as the covenant in Halo 2, they liked the story in Halo 1 much much better.

What I got so pissed off about in Halo 2 was the fact that all the ads made it seem like you were going to be saving earth, and no where was it ever mentioned that you had to play as the other side. I thought THAT sucked worse then anything.

Halo 2 is all about the Multiplayer, and I've enjoyed it, even though I am not good at it, more than any of the PC multiplayer titles since Q3A, and UT99 duked it out.
 
Kahnvex said:
What I got so pissed off about in Halo 2 was the fact that all the ads made it seem like you were going to be saving earth, and no where was it ever mentioned that you had to play as the other side. I thought THAT sucked worse then anything.
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I think the fact that you got to play as the covenant is what made the game passable. Without that it would have been almost as boring as the first, but playing as the Covenant spiced it up nicely.
 
Kahnvex said:
Why is comparing PC graphics to consoles still a valid conversation topic?
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Since consoles have hardware that could kick a PC's ass, yet don't when it is all said and done.

*waits for someone to say o rly and post xbox360 handpicked shots*
 
retardedchicken said:
Since consoles have hardware that could kick a PC's ass, yet don't when it is all said and done.

*waits for someone to say o rly and post xbox360 handpicked shots*
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wow, doesnt really matter because a stubborn pc elitist will never admit his SLI rig could be had for anything cheaper then the worth of your left testicle
 
Ballz2TheWallz said:
oh and i still like how every pc owner here has there own retail 360 with a copy of COD2 to compare
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No No, you got it all wrong :)
People don't have to have a 360 or CoD, or even a PC to be an all amazing Know Everything Expert on all games and hardware.....
All they have to do is spend 3 minutes in the Walmart games department....
 
Captain Al said:
No No, you got it all wrong :)
People don't have to have a 360 or CoD, or even a PC to be an all amazing Know Everything Expert on all games and hardware.....
All they have to do is spend 3 minutes in the Walmart games department....
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Is there somthing wrong with the try before you buy system?
 
Darakian said:
Is there somthing wrong with the try before you buy system?
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Not at all, but you can't come back to the forums here and say, for example:

"I saw CoD2 on the Walmart Demo Unit, It looks Horrible! Xbox 360 Sucks, I like Cheese."

Most all comments on the subject follow the same pattern as the above example.
It's starts with the fact... they saw a Demo.... Then followed by an uneducated opinion... (it looked horrible on Walmart's set up) , Followed next by the "I need to be cool statement" such as Xbox 360 sucks or My PC Rules, or even stooping as low as to be-little others to reinforce their argument... This statement also will more often then not represent jelousy or hatred towards those who have the item in question. And of course the final part of the above example, the end, which normally is a comment, statement, or question which has nothing or very little to do with the topic.
As in the above example, the only think the Cheese has to do with the Xbox, is that it goes well with the amount of people whining about them :)


Point ot be taken from all of this... People instantly spew off anything they can while pretending to either be cool or knowledgable. When at the end of the day, they don't know shit.


(I can say this now, because at least 90% of the Xbox comments and "first hand" knowledge posted in this section is either guesses, speculation, or pure B.S. I'd bet there's a whole 20 people on the boards that have their system now (and can contribute to rational and logical conversation) vs the 500 who are ready and willing to argue about it....)
 
In my experience, any game that is marketed or referenced with the slogan "Best <game_genre> since <last_marginally_popular_game_in_genre>!!11one!1!" is pretty much guaranteed to be a disappointing game. Also, the article sounds more like a paid advertisement to me than a review. :-/ But who knows, maybe the game really is good. I guess we'll see soon enough.
 
Ballz2TheWallz said:
i hope all you nerds know that YOU are the minority, thinking halo2 was anything less then perfect, which is what the average consumers do think.


and yes average consumers will take halo2 over doom3 and hl2
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YOU?

From what I understand only nerds visit forums. So it's more like US.

Remember nerds have a large veroity. Anything from Star Track to cars will make you a nerd.
 
Captain Al said:
(I can say this now, because at least 90% of the Xbox comments and "first hand" knowledge posted in this section is either guesses, speculation, or pure B.S. I'd bet there's a whole 20 people on the boards that have their system now (and can contribute to rational and logical conversation) vs the 500 who are ready and willing to argue about it....)
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I get what you are saying with the first part (didnt quote to save space). I was simply saying there are some that did make a good assesment of the product in the demo stage and it was fairly easy to pick them apart from the "ZOMG 360 R TEH SCUK!!!!" statments. As for the 90% of xbox comments I am just going to assuem you are refering to the halo 2 bit (correct me if I am wrong here). Now I do not own an xbox, however for the past 2 years I have played halo (eventually changing to halo 2) every weekend. Halo NEVER got old, halo 2 ended up killing the parties, I don't want to turn this thread into a Halo vs halo 2 so I wont mention my opinions on why. To bring it back I believe that xboxes are common enough for everyone here to have at least played one at a friends.
 
to me it looks shit hot......for a console fps, the shadows and lack of aa from the screen shots i have seen on ign however are shite, ill not fully judge untill i have seen the game with my own eyes
 
Rash said:
to me it looks shit hot......for a console fps, the shadows and lack of aa from the screen shots i have seen on ign however are shite, ill not fully judge untill i have seen the game with my own eyes
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Back to the to the original point of the thread real quick........ I think they should list Halo 2 as "One of the greatest console shooters ever" I've seen some PC games that run circles around Halo 2.... But that doesn't mean Halo2 doesn't have it's own market in which it's successful! And why are we so hell bent on comparing a console to a PC.

Well, I had to go get CoD2 just to put this argument to rest...
And lets just say, Retail, on a 1080i capable TV .... It looks Good. Far better than at the demo units at the game stores.... It seems the "jaggies" everybody is seeing has something more to do with the LCD resolution on which they are being played.
For example, ever try to play an 800x600 older style game on your LCD?

I do not have the PC version to compare it to, however - I shouldn't need to.
They are apples and oranges... If a system that cost $399 attached to my TV can come in even close within the same ball park graphics wise as a $2000+ computer system with High res LCDs.... ..... I don't see what people are complaining about.

Apples and Oranges People.... Apples and Oranges...
 
Why isn't the review in this months (just released this week) American OXM magazine? Kind of worries me that the British got to review it, but the American magazine didn't. You know, since we get our system this week and all.
 
I agree halo 2 was amazing. It has good graphics, great story (lets be real here, halo was the first game to introduce an enemy, then a surprise enemy...I think) and the music that played during the maps was perfect to set the mood.

Whoever thinks halo 2 wasn't good has psychological problems. You either secretly or outwardly hate M$ and therefore anything they put forward is open to your immediate and unrelenting scrutiny.
 
clownvomit said:
I agree halo 2 was amazing. It has good graphics, great story (lets be real here, halo was the first game to introduce an enemy, then a surprise enemy...I think) and the music that played during the maps was perfect to set the mood.

Whoever thinks halo 2 wasn't good has psychological problems. You either secretly or outwardly hate M$ and therefore anything they put forward is open to your immediate and unrelenting scrutiny.
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Please tell me you are kidding, right?
 
people just don't understand halo 1 or 2 w/ friends = hours flying by.
easy and painless setup

its just not as easy to do that w/ a LAN party cause it's a PITA to get all the pcs together.
not so easy and a hassle when everyone needs to pack all their shit up go home

please don't judge the halo franchise on the mediocre single player storyline. please play multiplayer w/ a couple of buds before making any blatant claims of how the halo franchise sucks
 
I liked Halo 2, but not enough for a "Best FPS since Halo 2!" comment to impress me. And how can the reviewers be so dense as to not realize that the "better than high-end PC graphics" comment is nothing but flamebait?

If they said better than mainstream PC graphics? Sure.

But better than high-end? Nope, that's an oxymoron. With this comment, they're picking a fight with the high-end, and honestly -- how much better graphics can a 360 game have than something running on a cutting-edge PC setup? Not much. It gets very subjective. Yeah, they can say the 360 is a cheaper substitute for a high-end PC, but that doesn't sound as great as "better than high-end PC graphics," does it?

They're playing the semantics game, which I think is hurting the image of the game they're reviewing. But I understand that they're just going through the motions. Any other company would've done the same, so I won't hold it against them -- but the game itself had better be good when I pick up the controller at my friend's house and start trying it out. :eek:
 
TalkXBOX 9.7/10
http://www.talkxbox.com/review745.html

GamersReports 8.8/10
http://www.gamersreports.com/review/27/1/

Perfect Dark Zero is the game to get for the Xbox 360. From the fantastic gameplay to the gorgeous graphics to the incredible amount of replay value, every gamer should experience this game. It features every multiplayer option you could want, and the feature list reads like a multiplayer gamer’s wet dream. There are a few small issues- some levels aren’t that great, for example- but, in the end, they don’t really detract from the game as a whole. When you have a title of this size, everything can’t be top-notch. However, the replay value can be, and is. You will be playing this game for years and years to come; if you are getting one title for your Xbox 360, make it Perfect Dark Zero.
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"Best hamburger since McDonald's Quarter Pounder with Cheese!"

Although, I admit I think Halo 2 coop is fun. Heck, any game that has coop that's more complicated than Serious Sam gets big kudos points, and since PDZ has coop like this...

"Best console COOP FPS since Halo 2!"
 
tranCendenZ said:
TalkXBOX 9.7/10
http://www.talkxbox.com/review745.html

GamersReports 8.8/10
http://www.gamersreports.com/review/27/1/
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What I want to know is... why are there so many sites giving mixed reactions to this game (mostly along the lines of "well... it's OK... but it's no killer app. it's not very inspired, but it's still fun at points") but then the reviews of this game are all 8.5 and up? There are quite the discrepancies of opinion for this game, and I'm not sure what to think. N/M on the Halo 2 comment, though... the multiplayer was fun, but the game itself... well, I just won't comment :p
 
ill admit the SP videos of PD0 look horrible, the animations suck and i dont like the art direction, plus people look like there running in slow mo. However im sure the multiplayer will own because various sites rave about it, but im still buying it and giving my own opinion

i will have cod2 and pd0 launch, when im done im moving to my second wave pgr3 and Q4(mabey kameo), hopefully by the time im done TES4 will be out and i wont need another game for a year

i really wanna see what revolution can bring to the table, nothing in ps3 intrests me, mabey blueray if i had HDTV but then again i dont think it will win the format war and if it does my $400-500 will be better spent on non POS hardware that wont mostlikely die in the near future
 
Captain Al said:
Back to the to the original point of the thread real quick........ I think they should list Halo 2 as "One of the greatest console shooters ever" I've seen some PC games that run circles around Halo 2.... But that doesn't mean Halo2 doesn't have it's own market in which it's successful! And why are we so hell bent on comparing a console to a PC.

Well, I had to go get CoD2 just to put this argument to rest...
And lets just say, Retail, on a 1080i capable TV .... It looks Good. Far better than at the demo units at the game stores.... It seems the "jaggies" everybody is seeing has something more to do with the LCD resolution on which they are being played.
For example, ever try to play an 800x600 older style game on your LCD?

I do not have the PC version to compare it to, however - I shouldn't need to.
They are apples and oranges... If a system that cost $399 attached to my TV can come in even close within the same ball park graphics wise as a $2000+ computer system with High res LCDs.... ..... I don't see what people are complaining about.

Apples and Oranges People.... Apples and Oranges...
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I saw the 360 on 720p resolution ie 1280x720
 
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