Samsung 244T - finally!

kleox64 said:
No it is not an issue, VIsta release is end of 2006 with at least 6-12 months for bug fixes, drivers, application updates etc... by that time people will be updating thier monitors anyway. I mean look at those at who are upgrading thier dell 20" widescreens to the 24", how long was the 20" out for?
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Yes it is an issue because if people are upgrading their monitors now, then it's better to buy a HDCP enabled device now then later. I would hate to buy a monitor today and then be forced to buy another one later just to satisfy Vista requirements. If it's available today and I'm upgrading today, then I will buy one. Unfortunately I bought a Dell 2405FPW back in July so I might have to upgrade again when Vista comes out.
 
Anemone said:
Agreed, hdcp is going to either be cracked or bypassed via a dongle thingy. The risk of alienating the past several years worth of hardware users would devastate Vista sales.

People should be making a big deal of it however, since invoking it was a huge mistake.

The 2405 seems to have fine black levels to me, but I guess each eyes to their own :)
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I read about the dongle, but there are no gurantees that it'll be a 100%complete solution. Also the question isn't whether HDCP will be cracked, but a matter of when. For people like me, time is money. I much rather pay just to avoid the hassle.

HDCP won't devastate Vista sales because it's not likely that the OS will prevent you from viewing HDCP protected content, but rather downgrade the resolution as mentioned in a PC World report. People will just get SD quality instead of HD quality. To some people, that is not a deal breaker.
 
EGGO said:
Will this be the Apple Cinema 24" killer?

Hmmm...I forgot how that panel is for color. I might get this for my new graphic design monitor when my CRT finally blows the dust.
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I think you mean the ACD 23" :)

I think the real question -- for people who care about color -- is whether this panel improves upon Dell's 2405 screen, and whether the viewing angles have been improved over that particular panel..

Perhaps it's the same panel. I wouldn't be at all suprised if it was. Let's hope that extremetech or anand or someone does a review and pops one open to check what exact panel is being used.
 
Anyone care to guess what the price is going to be like?

Samsung's pricing on panels has not exactly been nice in the past.
 
Its the same panal as the samsung, the viewing angles WILL NOT improve. With PVA you sacrifice the viewing angles to get the excelent black level and response time, its a side effect. As for HDCP I dont think it will ever be implemented in Vista as its gona p*ss off too many users. As for the DELL 2405 by mid 2007 when Vista has been patched, matured etc... I'll allready have a new LCD/SED display.
 
kleox64 said:
Its the same panal as the samsung, the viewing angles WILL NOT improve. With PVA you sacrifice the viewing angles to get the excelent black level and response time, its a side effect. As for HDCP I dont think it will ever be implemented in Vista as its gona p*ss off too many users. As for the DELL 2405 by mid 2007 when Vista has been patched, matured etc... I'll allready have a new LCD/SED display.
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HDCP will be implemented because the motion picture industry demand this when outputting HD content. Windows Vista will support it because Microsoft wants Vista to be able to handle this new generation of movie formats. In the end, most users will still watch movies on their TV set through an extern Blu-ray/HD-DVD player and not the computer monitor, and HDCP is far mor common in that sector.
 
holmstrom said:
HDCP will be implemented because the motion picture industry demand this when outputting HD content. Windows Vista will support it because Microsoft wants Vista to be able to handle this new generation of movie formats. In the end, most users will still watch movies on their TV set through an extern Blu-ray/HD-DVD player and not the computer monitor, and HDCP is far mor common in that sector.
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I was talking about the method of encryption/copy protection that Vista will use, I think in the end there wont be any in Vista as the consumer doesnt want it.
 
Theres more info on it out now, including prices :) eg:

http://www.engadget.com/.../

http://www.cdrinfo.com/.../

Bad news is it looks as expensive as most people were afraid it would be.

I can hazard a guess it will be even dearer over here in the UK, probablye near 1K :eek:

But man the specs look nice 1000:1 10ms 480p, 720p and 1080i/p

Come on you other manufacturers, bring on the competition so Samsung have to lower there prices damn it !
 
Anemone said:
Agreed, hdcp is going to either be cracked or bypassed via a dongle thingy. The risk of alienating the past several years worth of hardware users would devastate Vista sales.
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Even if dongles come out to disable HDCP, they can be rendered useless. All the HDCP people have to do is see what ID those devices have, add them to their black list and new HDCP protected stuff won't work through those dongles anymore. I guess it all depends on how much the Entertainment Industry wants to "protect" their content.. They aren't too worried about that, are they?

Hopefully HDCP will just be bypassed on the PC, but for me, I'm planning on having just the one monitor for all of my watching needs.. PC, PS3, XBox360, DVD's, Blu-Ray, etc. I want it all running through the one panel, so I want to make sure that it is future-proof as much as possible. Otherwise, I probably would have already bought the 2405.

Anemone said:
People should be making a big deal of it however, since invoking it was a huge mistake.
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Yes yes yes.
 
Hmm yes the prices certainly are a bit on the expensive side, looks like samsung doesn't want to sell many of these if they can't match 2405 prices. Also the response times look interesting, now it's being quoted as 10ms in this links above. meh it's probably like all the other lcd releases in recent time where they claim a reduction in response time but real world tests show it's no better than before or only improved in certain color transistions.

Has anyone heard of dell releasing a hdcp version of the 2405?
 
I've edited the head post adding links to Samsung's product pages and a couple of links to shopping search engines.
 
The official product page is posted. I hope holmstrom can modify the first post to reflect this.

http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=LS21BRBAB/XAA

There it is. I can't wait to here about this monitor now that you can buy it all over the net. Interesting to note. The response time on the specs page is 25ms instead of the reported 10ms in the earlier official announcment by Samsung here:
"....SyncMaster 244T offers a 10-milliseond response time...." (http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20051018_0000201236)
 
yoshi9784 said:
The official product page is posted. I hope holmstrom can modify the first post to reflect this.

http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=LS21BRBAB/XAA

There it is. I can't wait to here about this monitor now that you can buy it all over the net. Interesting to note. The response time on the specs page is 25ms instead of the reported 10ms in the earlier official announcment by Samsung here:
"....SyncMaster 244T offers a 10-milliseond response time...." (http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20051018_0000201236)
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Thanks for the effort, but you should read the post before yours, and then check the first post. I added your info November 5th.

The specifications seem really unstable at the moment. We've heard 6, 10 and 25 ms. The 6 ms is of course G-G, and 10 is probably "typical". But 25 must be an error, something that came along from the previous model 243T's info page?

I'm so looking forward to the first review of this one!
 
holmstrom said:
Thanks for the effort, but you should read the post before yours, and then check the first post. I added your info November 5th.

The specifications seem really unstable at the moment. We've heard 6, 10 and 25 ms. The 6 ms is of course G-G, and 10 is probably "typical". But 25 must be an error, something that came along from the previous model 243T's info page?

I'm so looking forward to the first review of this one!
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Its the same as the dell 16ms, 25ms was shown to be the worst case over at tomshardware however I dont think they had it setup correctly/or measured it correctly as to me it plays like a 16ms panel.
 
kleox64 said:
Its the same as the dell 16ms, 25ms was shown to be the worst case over at tomshardware however I dont think they had it setup correctly/or measured it correctly as to me it plays like a 16ms panel.
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According to www.flatpanels.dk/skaerme.php there is actually a slight difference in panel:

"Samsung 244T (widescreen) har et 24 tommer 16 ms (g2g) PVA (Samsung LTM240M1) panel."

"Dell 2405FPW (widescreen) har et 24 tommer 12 ms (g2g) PVA (Samsung LTM240M1-L01) panel."
 
Well, this monitor looks sweet for sure!
It's strange that noone has had the chance to review it yet, but still, it looks like it's going to be a nice and somewhat expensive monitor.
I was looking to the specs the other day and was wondering :
Do any of these Magic Bright/Color thingies imply there's going to be a glossy coating on the screen, a la Sony xbrite/xblack ?
To tell you the truth, I must say that I have taken the plunge today and bought this baby in blind faith. Unfortunately my country sucks for fresh hardware, which means I'll probably receive it sometime early in december. I will post a small review when it arrives (hopefully soon!) and a more extensive one after a few days of use.

Cheers,
John
 
Kamotek said:
Well, this monitor looks sweet for sure!
It's strange that noone has had the chance to review it yet, but still, it looks like it's going to be a nice and somewhat expensive monitor.
I was looking to the specs the other day and was wondering :
Do any of these Magic Bright/Color thingies imply there's going to be a glossy coating on the screen, a la Sony xbrite/xblack ?
To tell you the truth, I must say that I have taken the plunge today and bought this baby in blind faith. Unfortunately my country sucks for fresh hardware, which means I'll probably receive it sometime early in december. I will post a small review when it arrives (hopefully soon!) and a more extensive one after a few days of use.

Cheers,
John
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awesome.. looking forward to the review, im happy someone finally got one.
 
I am buying it too if nothing better comes out by late March. I have the money now, but I am building a new machine and plan to spend about 6 grand. After saving since 2001 (the last time I built a machine half the price), I should have my budget ready by the late March time frame! =)~
 
Has anyone found a review of this monitor yet? I found a place that has them in stock with few left. I really want to know more about the performance.
 
My friend have stated that this monitor is better than the 214T.
I own a Samsung 214T and I think it is a very good monitor.
Great colors, very good black + it is suitable for games also.
 
kinda off topic, but this hdcp thing, does that mean when i get a ps3 or something that can play hd movies i am out of luck with my 48 inch hi def tv ?? are they screwing me in to buying a new tv set to watch this stuff, wth I spent 1500 on this last year and now in a couple of years i have to buy a new tv and no one is going to want to pay any good money for mine cause it is now pointless ???
 
What is the real response time on this thing, I have seen 6, 10, 16 and 25ms?
 
Anyone have a 244T and want to post some pics?

Like the casing better than the Dell.

Is this the same panel that Dell uses?
 
flydef said:
Anyone have a 244T and want to post some pics?

Like the casing better than the Dell.

Is this the same panel that Dell uses?
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I believe someone said it is an updated panel, plus the monitor has HDCP (the Dell does not).
 
badash said:
What is the real response time on this thing, I have seen 6, 10, 16 and 25ms?
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The Samsung website says 25mS.
 
mikeblas said:
The Samsung website says 25mS.
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Yes, it does but I think it comes from the 243T specs. I'm not 100% sure but I really think it's 6 ms (G-G) and 16 ms (typical)? Correct me if I'm wrong but typical would probably be B-W-B (black to white and black again)? The only place I've seen 10 ms mentioned is in the press release.
 
holmstrom said:
Yes, it does but I think it comes from the 243T specs. I'm not 100% sure but I really think it's 6 ms (G-G) and 16 ms (typical)? Correct me if I'm wrong but typical would probably be B-W-B (black to white and black again)? The only place I've seen 10 ms mentioned is in the press release.
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Yeah, I would not trust their website. They used to say my 172X monitor was a 4:3 aspect ratio. Last time I checked, 1280x1024 was 5:4.
 
holmstrom said:
Yes, it does but I think it comes from the 243T specs. I'm not 100% sure but I really think it's 6 ms (G-G) and 16 ms (typical)? Correct me if I'm wrong but typical would probably be B-W-B (black to white and black again)? The only place I've seen 10 ms mentioned is in the press release.
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I think someone knowledgeable is going to need to take this up with Samsung... I tend to believe that if their website was "wrong", it would be found quickly b/c a lot of people out there (like us) are interested in response time... Someone (customer) would have asked and they would have fixed the website (probably) by now.

They published 25ms for a reason - I guess it could be a mistake... But they also could have a real legitimate explanation.
 
There is strong indication of a silly mixup concerning the specs of the 244T.
The 244T's manual looks like it's just an update on the 243T's.
In fact it sports instructions for both monitors, which is frankly very lame, considering it's their flagship PC monitor and they can't even bother to write a decent manual :/
I am still waiting for the 244T (ordered 2.5 weeks ago) to arrive but as I have said before it might take a while since my country is like, living in the Stone Age of computing.

Still no reviews out there :(

Cheers,
John
 
I've added the first (?) review of the monitor in the first post of this thread. Homemade, but still a review!
 
That user review is pretty comprehensive.

But until Samsung says otherwise, I'm going to assume the worst case response time of 25ms and stay away :(
 
well guys it looks like Iam selling my 2405, its allready on ebay and have nearly hit what I originaly paid.

The response time on this is not 25ms, samsung's highest end LCD module specifies 8ms but online retailers specify 6ms. Iam assuming 8ms is the black to white with a worst case latency of 12-16ms.

http://www.inmac.co.uk/catalogue/item/SAMMO159

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=315197&cks=PRL

Both sites have 6ms?

Now £900 is a great price, the only reason I didnt go samsung originaly was the £1200-£1300 price tag they were asking for the 243T.
 
Possibly a stupid question, but...

Emission Standard
TCO ’03 (silver)/TCO ’99 (black)

Does this mean the Silver version uses TCO 2003 Emission Standards and the Black version uses older TCO 1999?

If so, why is this? and what is the difference? should we buy the silver version because of this?
 
I believe I read somewhere (maybe on this forum, actually) that black bezel contrasts more w/ the image on the monitor and thus distracts/tires your eyes more. Silver, being more neutral, is easier on the eyes. For this reason, no monitor w/ black bezel will ever get the TCO'03 certification. Don't quote me on this, though...
 
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