I admit it....I'm going to the dark side in about a month

CMAN said:
Not this year you won't.

it's just amazing you find time to surf the forums at all. With your uncanny ability to foresee the future, you must have already hit the PowerBall number more than once. And the sheer success you must have on the stock market. Holly crap!!! Martha Stewart ain't got shit on you! I personally would figure someone as filthy rich and as gifted as yourself would have better things to waste his time on. Maybe extremely fast cars, or even strippers. Or better yet, both.

PS. If you find it in your heart could you PM me some lotto numbers. The good 'ol 9-5 just ain't cutting it anymore.

Thank you in advance.
 
coz said:
That depends on what speed GDDR3 they're going to use doesn't it? You're assuming they will use 1.6ns parts. Why would they do that when their main rival is running the 1.25ns stuff? Also, why stick with 430MHz on the core when AIB guys are clocking theirs much higher? Remember, they're trying to bring out a product which beats the X1800XT in performance terms, they can't do that by keeping the clocks the same.

I'm sure power and heat will be limiting factors but they could use the same HSF design as the Quadro FX 4500 and minimize the latter. Power will probably be the main consideration in the clockspeed settings of the new card.

why would they use slower ram? I dunno, to make more money. Have higher yields. This is a company whos flagship card has dropped ~$200 dollars in mere months. They wanna bleed as much out of you as possible then undercut ATI.

Surely you dont believe Nvidia released their fastest card? You are going to be surprized with what Nvidia releases,it will be more than just 512mb of ram.

Nvidia has zero reason to release a clock changed GTX as far as a 512mb version. They may release another faster card but it wont be until after or around holidays. It just amazes me that you talk like they're going to just shit out a card magically at any moment and, to use l337 speak since its appropriate to your attitude, "pwnz" ATI. I dont care how many hundreds of FPS you have this year, you will not get the IQ and features of the R520. I think you're bitter cause of that.

No what got old was ATI not releasing their cards on time like they promised. Also the fact that they are not the killer cards every ATI fan wanted. Now lets talk about the long over due Missfire configuration,nothing there but bait dangling in front of your face.
Mabey you should start your own video card company you seem to think you can do a better job.

ATI never promised anything or publically announced a release date. They simply said, that was our target range, we missed it. Stop word twisting fan boy. Not a killer card, but its not an NV30 either, its actually a great core and huge step for IQ. Maybe Nvidia will catch up some day eh?

CrossFire wah wah still have that to complain about. Cause the fate of ATI as a company relies on CrossFire right? :rolleyes:
 
I though this was going to be "I am buying an Xbox 2." But I don't see that as the dark side. I play games on consoles and PCs.
 
*mxyzptlk said:
has ATi done anything to improve their driver/control panel apps? the last ati card i had was a 9600pro and the drivers were just abysmal when compared to the latest and greatest from nvidia..

I dont have anything against the performance of ati hardware, but the software certainly left a sour impression on me.
It is much better now.
 
Shifra said:
why would they use slower ram? I dunno, to make more money. Have higher yields. This is a company whos flagship card has dropped ~$200 dollars in mere months. They wanna bleed as much out of you as possible then undercut ATI.
You're right that NVIDIA are most concerned with making money - they're a business after all. However, the best way to make money is by having the best product - if they stick slower RAM on the 7800GTX 512MB then everyone will buy the X1800XT instead. That equals lost sales, lower revenue and a loss of prestige too (we have the fastest card etc.). Remember that this is a high-end product we're talking about so a lower BOM (bill of materials) isn't as important as it is on high-volume products like mainstream and budget cards.

As for the super-high GTX prices we saw when it launched.....

Blame Canada!! :D

The prices were high because there was no competition from ATi at the time. If the roles were reversed then ATi would have the exact same thing..... they are also a business and care only about making the most money they can.
 
Until I see some Crossfire motherboards for sale that can overclock as good as my A8N-SLI Premium, yet still maintain 100% stability, and see X1800XT's on the market that aren't $200 over MSRP (mark my words, it's gonna be an X800XT PE all over again), it ain't happening.

SLI right now is more stable, much more mature in terms of drivers, and is AVALIABLE. People talking about how their going to buy a product that isn't even avaliable in retail is idiotic.
 
Shifra said:
why would they use slower ram? I dunno, to make more money. Have higher yields. This is a company whos flagship card has dropped ~$200 dollars in mere months. They wanna bleed as much out of you as possible then undercut ATI.
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You should be happy that Nvidia or the retailers lowered the price,that means ATI has to keep their cards price more reasonable so people will buy them. They sure aren't going to buy them for top dollar with their poor performance showing the finally made. people like you were expecting a card that would blow the 7800 away and it didnt happen.



Nvidia has zero reason to release a clock changed GTX as far as a 512mb version. They may release another faster card but it wont be until after or around holidays. It just amazes me that you talk like they're going to just shit out a card magically at any moment and, to use l337 speak since its appropriate to your attitude, "pwnz" ATI. I dont care how many hundreds of FPS you have this year, you will not get the IQ and features of the R520. I think you're bitter cause of that.
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No nivida is going to wait till the last minute to have the card ready and have problems like ATI. we'll see when the ATI pounder is released.


CrossFire wah wah still have that to complain about. Cause the fate of ATI as a company relies on CrossFire right? :rolleyes:
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If they ever want to be on top they have to get MISSFIRE out,they will never get there with a single card only.
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ATI released their new card at just the right time of the year,you can use them for heaters.
 
It depends on your reason for switching. The reason I left NVidia, for an equal performing ATi card was because of the GREAT Digital HDTV support so I can use my HDTV as a 51" PC monitor. (and it works like a charm)

If you have a similiar reason, then yeah, go for it. If not, I would stay with the big green since the performance difference is not noticeable in either direction.

If you want to throw your money into something new just for the hell of it, go get a new Sound Card or something.
 
I would only switch if i could get a XFIRE mobo and run dual X1800XTS, also if the cards are selling for a massive amount over msrp ill wait, But if Nvidia trumps it with a 7800 Ultra with 512 and higher clocks id just stay with Nvidia. I have no allegiance to one company but i got a sour taste in my mouth after this R520 launch delay, its the only reason why i chosse Nvidia months ago.
 
Can't be arsed to read the entire thread, but are ppl that are planning to get the XL to o/c already in possession of a phase cooler? Or perhaps planning on getting one because by all accounts these mofo's are HOT. Yeah, impressive overclock, but I'm sure you could hit that with just about any card with the right cooling.....
 
With no XT's on the market and the reviews not coming in much in favor of the XT over the GTX, it seems like a waste of money.

But I am not one to preach on wasting money as I just ordered the CE version of Quake 4.

If you got it spend it, that's what keeps the enconomy going and the commies at bay.
 
^ Well the XT is liked more that the GTX in terms of performance and IQ but price and Availability kill it. Once they come out it will be the card to have but right now its 7800GTX all the way.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
^ Well the XT is liked more that the GTX in terms of performance and IQ but price and Availability kill it. Once they come out it will be the card to have but right now its 7800GTX all the way.

No site has done benches with the 81.84 drivers. Once the 80 drivers are release (which should be sooner then XT availability), it might no longer be a contest
 
TopWeasel. Same goes for some non beta X1800XT Drivers....In terms of Drivers the X1800s have more of a chance to shine than any 7800 ever will. This is because the 7800s have been out for quite some time and have experienced allot of performance incresases with Driver updates. The X1800XT has yet to have a offical Driver Release.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
TopWeasel. Same goes for some non beta X1800XT Drivers....In terms of Drivers the X1800s have more of a chance to shine than any 7800 ever will. This is because the 7800s have been out for quite some time and have experienced allot of performance incresases with Driver updates. The X1800XT has yet to have a offical Driver Release.

I dunno how ati release the drivers anymore, I think they reckon as long as they release a driver a month it doens't matter if it's on the 30th :(. Hopeful the Cat 5.10 will be out in a week or so.
 
SgtSweatySac said:
Until I see some Crossfire motherboards for sale that can overclock as good as my A8N-SLI Premium, yet still maintain 100% stability, and see X1800XT's on the market that aren't $200 over MSRP (mark my words, it's gonna be an X800XT PE all over again), it ain't happening.

SLI right now is more stable, much more mature in terms of drivers, and is AVALIABLE. People talking about how their going to buy a product that isn't even avaliable in retail is idiotic.


i can gaurentie you they will have no problems with the XT's availability. I know this for fact.
 
Shifra said:
i can gaurentie you they will have no problems with the XT's availability. I know this for fact.

Bullshit. If they weren't having avaliablility problems, they would have been out on the launch date, or 4 months ago when they pulled the BS with Crossfire.
 
And we still have NO CROSSFIRE MOTHERBOARDS FOR SALE. So those X850XT Master cards are all but fucking useless at this point.

ATI has hosed this whole mess up royally.
 
Shifra said:
i can gaurentie you they will have no problems with the XT's availability. I know this for fact.
There should be plenty available because people wont buy them. The price will need to drop a lot before they will sell. people waiting for the 520 got tired and bought a 7800.
 
If it's fast enough, people will buy them... even it it costs $700 to get one. The same holds true for 512 meg GTXs. The real issue is heat. I've been reading about how hot the XLs are, I dread how hot the XT's will probably be. My 6800GT is practically a space heater already and it doesn't even come close to the temps I've been reading about for XLs.
 
SgtSweatySac said:
Bullshit. If they weren't having avaliablility problems, they would have been out on the launch date, or 4 months ago when they pulled the BS with Crossfire.

Availability problems? They had to re-manufacture the core which allowed them to gain 160MHz easy over the cores the current XLs are shipping with. Learn your information.

People like you are annoying as hell, you live in a bubble where the PE was ATI's only card which was infact hard to come by. There has always been an XT which has always been high end and available. The clock difference between a PE and XT was dismal as shit (oh noez not my 20MHz core!), yet the PE is always brought up, and the main point cited as ATI not being able to produce anything. Are you seriously that blocked up in your head that you cant get past that 1 card when there was another close enough to be called a twin in complete availability? Did it ever occure to you that the clocks were so close ATI and AIB partners didnt want to waste time (time=money) sorting for PE chips?

We're serious. There will be no more tolerance for flaming, name calling, or any other activites that are disrespectful to other members. Shifra is now permabanned, because of him addressing other members as "annoying as hell" and "blocked up in your head." - DL

This XT will be completely available, not only is it the only card that can compete/exceed the GTX, ATI has been speed binning for quite awhile for a massive launch. I'd stake my word on it which i would never do unless i mean it. You want to be disbelieving, go for it, but you have no good reason other then ignorance to fall back on when you are proven wrong on the fith.

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I have no idea whats going on with CF motherboards, but its only being used for ammo, nobody here complaining will actually buy one, i mean look at your post trends. If you care that much you can buy a 955X 2x PCI E slot board now, get your master card and slave and get it going. Thats quite a bit to burn for that though. CMAN for example has made it almost a habbit that every post he makes in the video card forum is something negative about ATI. What a shock hes going to complain about crossfire! Where were you for that 7 month SLI paper launch buddy? We missed you then.

Personally im tired of hearing about all the CrossFire complaints here, because the ONLY ones complaining time and time again are people that dont like ANY ATI products let alone CrossFire, you only use it as ammo.
 
however, its true that ati lost the advantage this round or "launch". lets wait for the next cycles and see what happens
 
I might goto crossfire / ATI soon if I hear good things, ATI's been good to be before (9800XT)
 
ShuttleLuv said:
I own a Geforce 7800 GTX right now....clocks insanely high, great card. Love it. But I'm afraid I'm going to be getting a X1800XT (if I can snag one).

Anyone else a GTX owner that admits to this? If I do, I'll simply sell this one and add some cash. :)

no money to do so
 
CMAN said:
There should be plenty available because people wont buy them. The price will need to drop a lot before they will sell. people waiting for the 520 got tired and bought a 7800.

I would say "borrowed" is a more accurate term, except for the Nvidia dieahards or course who underwent surgery to become neurally linked to their 7800GTX card :D
 
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I have no idea whats going on with CF motherboards, but its only being used for ammo, nobody here complaining will actually buy one, i mean look at your post trends. If you care that much you can buy a 955X 2x PCI E slot board now, get your master card and slave and get it going. Thats quite a bit to burn for that though. CMAN for example has made it almost a habbit that every post he makes in the video card forum is something negative about ATI. What a shock hes going to complain about crossfire! Where were you for that 7 month SLI paper launch buddy? We missed you then.

Personally im tired of hearing about all the CrossFire complaints here, because the ONLY ones complaining time and time again are people that dont like ANY ATI products let alone CrossFire, you only use it as ammo.

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And ATI has given me plenty of ammo the last 3 or 4 months. You have no idea whats going on with anything ATI is doing,you are just giving it an uneducated guess. It sucks when even ATI fanpersons bitch about the crossfire unavailability.
 
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