I admit it....I'm going to the dark side in about a month

damstr said:
well i've had my 7800GTX for almost 2 weeks, and if benchmarks are THAT much better then i'll be picking up 2 X1800XT's and run them in crossfire.
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Not this year you won't.
 
Can someone provide me with some links to information in regards to the X1800XT's being able to OC to holy high heaven and/or beat 2x7800GTX in SLI all by itself?
 
DangerIsGo said:
Personally, Im going to stay with nVidia becuase their more mature on dual card solutions and I really cant wait for FW80 to come out. ATi still has a lot of work to do to catch up. I could really care less for the X1800XT
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Ditto. I'm not loyal to either side but right now SLI looks really good to me. The crossfire situation just isn't that appealing.
 
PolarbearBigEd said:
why? Seems like a waste of money if you ask me. :rolleyes:
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I concur. Why switch from something that "just works" to something that you have to endure beta testing with? Doesn't make sense to me... :eek:
 
CMAN said:
Not this year you won't.
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well thats perfectly fine with me, i don't have a problem waiting, this 7800GTX is doing a perfectly good job anyway.
 
CMAN said:
Not this year you won't.
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I'll bet my 7800GTX that many people will be running X1800XT's in Crossfire THIS year. I will be one of them.
 
PRIME1 said:
Judging from your email address I kind of take this with a grain of salt.
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nice flame bait.......once again :rolleyes:

hey Shuttle :p

yeah im going with x800gto2, ordered today, as well as my case, so my new comp is almost done

farking xoxide wont get a Hiper psu in for another 2 weeks :eek: holy.........

anyhoo, yeah i dun blame ya for going with ATI, seems to clock high, and volt changes, very nice

tell us what you think, and clock it as high as you can, then report back!

soulsaver
 
tornadotsunamilife said:
Look how long people have waited for the X1000 series and now your asking them to wait longer? By the time the 7800GTX 512mb does come around people will be saying 'just wait a little bit longer for next-gen', there needs to be a cut-off point because there's no such thing as having a cutting-edge computer anymore, the industry moves too fast.
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:rolleyes: i think the 512mb GTX will be out b4 the 1800 XT. He won't have to wait any longer at all. He has to wait a month anyway, and then he'll still only get an overpriced XT that's on par with his current 256mb GTX.
 
Russ said:
:rolleyes: i think the 512mb GTX will be out b4 the 1800 XT. He won't have to wait any longer at all. He has to wait a month anyway, and then he'll still only get an overpriced XT that's on par with his current 256mb GTX.
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yea cause we're all going to see huge differences from the 430/1200 512mb over the 256mb right? Im not overly sure what you think happens when they add memory, but clocks dont shoot through the roof. Both of ATI's 512mb/256mb counterpart cards are getting clocked the exact same.

This Ultra shit is getting old.

If you wanted a GTX, you got a GTX. End of story. 512mb isnt going to make them too much more appealing. We've already seen the G70 quadro with 512mb in games, it does nothing. So why wait for it?

overpriced, is that speculation or fan boyism? 500 for 256 550 for 512. Seems reasonable to me. What do you call the 600 dollar launch MSRP of the GTX? Nah lets forget about that it helps your argument. Wouldnt want any common sense clouding your drivel. Please, by all means, march on with the G70 torch chanting Simsalbimbamba Saladu Saladim Nvidia!, we'll all be right there to follow!
 
Shifra said:
yea cause we're all going to see huge differences from the 430/1200 512mb over the 256mb right? Im not overly sure what you think happens when they add memory, but clocks dont shoot through the roof. Both of ATI's 512mb/256mb counterpart cards are getting clocked the exact same.

This Ultra shit is getting old.

If you wanted a GTX, you got a GTX. End of story. 512mb isnt going to make them too much more appealing. We've already seen the G70 quadro with 512mb in games, it does nothing. So why wait for it?

overpriced, is that speculation or fan boyism? 500 for 256 550 for 512. Seems reasonable to me. What do you call the 600 dollar launch MSRP of the GTX? Nah lets forget about that it helps your argument. Wouldnt want any common sense clouding your drivel. Please, by all means, march on with the G70 torch chanting Simsalbimbamba Saladu Saladim, we'll all be right there to follow!
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Not to mention NV will have to pony up and put some good RAM on the 512 version so we can see some good overclocks. Some nice 1.2ns would be great!
 
Shifra said:
yea cause we're all going to see huge differences from the 430/1200 512mb over the 256mb right? Im not overly sure what you think happens when they add memory, but clocks dont shoot through the roof. Both of ATI's 512mb/256mb counterpart cards are getting clocked the exact same.

This Ultra shit is getting old.

If you wanted a GTX, you got a GTX. End of story. 512mb isnt going to make them too much more appealing. We've already seen the G70 quadro with 512mb in games, it does nothing. So why wait for it?

overpriced, is that speculation or fan boyism? 500 for 256 550 for 512. Seems reasonable to me. What do you call the 600 dollar launch MSRP of the GTX? Nah lets forget about that it helps your argument. Wouldnt want any common sense clouding your drivel. Please, by all means, march on with the G70 torch chanting Simsalbimbamba Saladu Saladim Nvidia!, we'll all be right there to follow!
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and you keep defending a card that is only a fantasy.
 
erf said:
and you keep defending a card that is only a fantasy.
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Fantasy: An unrealistic or improbable supposition.

Your unrealistic or improbable supposition is scoring in benchmarks all over the net, a few examples:
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/r520reviewxvxv/

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4...0/index.x?pg=1

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=172

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...n_x1800_xt_xl/

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=843&pageID=1792

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/592-...800-xt-xl.html

http://www.behardware.com/articles/5...800-xt-xl.html

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...eon-x1000.html

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1867208,00.asp


and has a face as well as world wide acknowledgment.


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Wheres the 512mb GTX? Nowhere to be found. The X1800XT, although unavailable for only a short time more, is very real. Pick your words better.
 
Well, my matrox parhelia pwns everyone. It is teh bomb.


OK, I just don't get why everyone gets so adamant about this or that side- unless they're an employee or stockholder of a particular company. I guess I'm a mercenary- when it comes time to spend, I look for the best card at that time. I have a 7800 GTX now, so I won't be shopping for a while.

However, before I'd buy ATI, I want to see good market saturation of Crossfire products. I want to see more info and benchmarks. We'll see when it comes time to upgrade.
 
Shifra said:
Fantasy: An unrealistic or improbable supposition.

Your unrealistic or improbable supposition is scoring in benchmarks all over the net, a few examples:
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/r520reviewxvxv/

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4...0/index.x?pg=1

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=172

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...n_x1800_xt_xl/

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=843&pageID=1792

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/592-...800-xt-xl.html

http://www.behardware.com/articles/5...800-xt-xl.html

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...eon-x1000.html

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1867208,00.asp


and has a face as well as world wide acknowledgment.


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Wheres the 512mb GTX? Nowhere to be found. The X1800XT, although unavailable for only a short time more, is very real. Pick your words better.
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The 512 mb high end will be out before the x1800xt ;) . Should be 1 week before the x1800xt hits retail.
 
Deadsexy said:
Is the ATI card real or just a paper champion?
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depends on what area. Pushing 512mb of ram on the get go is welcomed very much by developers even though it really hasnt been used much aside from a few titles. It has excellent future shader performance and promise, im hoping alot was geared toward the many things engines like the Unreal 3 engine will use, some true next gen stuff, but in the area of current gaming its a complete failure. Most gamers only care about FPS, having the fastest, etc.. they usually wont care about sacrificing some IQ for it. So the GTX has been and will remain the answer. ATI very much lost, the R520 is welcomed, but not astounding. Its exactly what would of been greeted months ago with open arms, but now its simply late. If you waited all the time, then you obviously had either hyped hopes, or you knew you'd be getting some IQ differences and simply stuck it out.

% wise i wont believe the overclock on the XT cores will be that much better then a GTX until i see it. At least not under stock cooling. So unless your going for a speed record, i'd drop my hopes of huge usable FPS gains.

Personally, i like to keep things simple. ATI has not dissapointed me. Yea i owned an FX5900U; yea Nvidia improved hugely, but i think i'll stick with what works. And if that takes waiting, i honostly dont mind.
 
tornadotsunamilife said:
Intel have moved out of the intergrated graphic solutions market! Rejoice! At least...for now (actually I think one or two chipsets still have it)
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Halleluja! :D :D

Maybe all these fools at college will now have decent integrated graphics cards from ATI or Nvidia so they can play Warcraft III at something higher than 640x480. I'm so tired of Dell putting some total POS integrated solution in the motherboard just to save fifty cents.
 
PRIME1 said:
Judging from your email address I kind of take this with a grain of salt.
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Huh? It should tell you I'm not an nvidiot, and yeah, I do own a GTX, though I like Ati very much. . :)

And hi Soul. :cool:
 
Not this year you won't.
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CMAN, you keep posting this same idea in every thread that has a tiny amount of X1800XT Enthusiasm. Listen the X1800XL is out now and I am sure the X1800XT will be out for its launch date. Unless you have some sources that say other wise?
 
tornadotsunamilife said:
Look how long people have waited for the X1000 series and now your asking them to wait longer? By the time the 7800GTX 512mb does come around people will be saying 'just wait a little bit longer for next-gen', there needs to be a cut-off point because there's no such thing as having a cutting-edge computer anymore, the industry moves too fast.
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yea what if i say the 512mb 7800 gtxcard will be available around the time or before the x1800xt does?
 
swatX said:
yea what if i say the 512mb 7800 gtxcard will be available around the time or before the x1800xt does?
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i found out insider info from my second uncles grandfather's brother's son whos a window washer for ATI HQ that the 1gig R580 boards will be out before a 512mb GTX card

so stuff that in your pipe and smoke it
 
You're going to get banned again... :p

Indeed he has been banned, but there won't be a repeat after this - his ban is now permanent. Unless you want to join him in Bannsville, I wouldn't get to close to his posts. - DL
 
Shifra said:
i found out insider info from my second uncles grandfather's brother's son whos a window washer for ATI HQ that the 1gig R580 boards will be out before a 512mb GTX card

so stuff that in your pipe and smoke it
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Seriously!! YOu should send an E-Mail to the inquirer so they can post a story RIGHT NOW - that's front page material!1111 ;)
 
MetalStorm said:
He does realise the X1800XT gets pussy whipped by the GTX doesn't he???
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Yea, maybe in games like doom3, chrons of riddick and IL2:FB.
Three mediocre titles that i know i have zero interest in.
How about games like HL2,r6, BF2 and games that will use the Crytek engine. I think a FEW more people play HL2 and BF2 than the other titles. I know i am one of them.
WOW, HL2, BF2 and the DOD demo(as far as i believe) run amazingly well on ATI hardware. The X1800XT is faster than the GTX in these titles and therefore the better card for gamers that play these titles.
I am not an ATI whore, i've owned my share of both cards. I was going to sell my x850XT oc'd card for a GTX when my freind bought one. I would swear to the grave the image quality in the three main games i play (HL2, BF2, WW2Online) was better on my ATI hardware and the frames while a bit lower were just as smooth. WW2OL left no doubt about image quality between the two in my mind. You will never see that game benchmarked though. Since i game competitively i NEED butter smooth play and the GTX gave me no edge IMO over my X850XT in these titles.
If i played DOOM and IL2 i would be on the Nvidia train. I think those games a bit less popular so the win goes to ATI for me.
 
HL2 does very well on the GTX, from what I've seen its very close on both cards. BF2 requires the extra 256 mb of vram. DOD is equal on both competitors cards. Image quality? thats subjective. The gf7's no longer shimmer anyways so WOW is just fine. WW2OL is an online game so benchmarking isn't that important because of network lag. Same with WOW, both these games frame rates are limited. The Cry engine runs well on both x1800xt and gf7's equally well, depends on how many polys are on the screen vs. complex shaders on the screen.
 
If you know how to overclock a video card and have a 7800GTX, the X1800XT is a complete waste of money (unless you just want one for the hell of it. which is cool of course). Dollar for dollar you'd get more performance adding a second 7800GTX for SLI, or if you plan to sell the 7800GTX two 7800GT in SLI rather than a x1800xt.
 
Shifra said:
yea cause we're all going to see huge differences from the 430/1200 512mb over the 256mb right? Im not overly sure what you think happens when they add memory, but clocks dont shoot through the roof.
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That depends on what speed GDDR3 they're going to use doesn't it? You're assuming they will use 1.6ns parts. Why would they do that when their main rival is running the 1.25ns stuff? Also, why stick with 430MHz on the core when AIB guys are clocking theirs much higher? Remember, they're trying to bring out a product which beats the X1800XT in performance terms, they can't do that by keeping the clocks the same.

I'm sure power and heat will be limiting factors but they could use the same HSF design as the Quadro FX 4500 and minimize the latter. Power will probably be the main consideration in the clockspeed settings of the new card.
 
tranCendenZ said:
If you know how to overclock a video card and have a 7800GTX, the X1800XT is a complete waste of money
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I disagree, if IQ is the main consideration then X1800XT looks like the better card. Also, in the majority of benchmarks it's faster than the 7800GTX. X1800XT has a better feature set too. 7800GTX is very close in performance terms and has price and availability going for it too but I still think the X1800XT looks like a worthy purchase when it appears.
 
if i can get benchies from more than 1 site proving that the x1800xt pwns the 7800 in the cascading cards bit when you win in M$ solitare. then I will buy one.
 
flynlr said:
if i can get benchies from more than 1 site proving that the x1800xt pwns the 7800 in the cascading cards bit when you win in M$ solitare. then I will buy one.
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Didn't you hear? That requires the vertex prefetch, and MS refuses to create the workaround for ATi cards. You're SOL for better performance from ATi on that one.
 
Shifra said:
yea cause we're all going to see huge differences from the 430/1200 512mb over the 256mb right? Im not overly sure what you think happens when they add memory, but clocks dont shoot through the roof. Both of ATI's 512mb/256mb counterpart cards are getting clocked the exact same.

This Ultra shit is getting old.

If you wanted a GTX, you got a GTX. End of story. 512mb isnt going to make them too much more appealing. We've already seen the G70 quadro with 512mb in games, it does nothing. So why wait for it?

overpriced, is that speculation or fan boyism? 500 for 256 550 for 512. Seems reasonable to me. What do you call the 600 dollar launch MSRP of the GTX? Nah lets forget about that it helps your argument. Wouldnt want any common sense clouding your drivel. Please, by all means, march on with the G70 torch chanting Simsalbimbamba Saladu Saladim Nvidia!, we'll all be right there to follow!
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Surely you dont believe Nvidia released their fastest card? You are going to be surprized with what Nvidia releases,it will be more than just 512mb of ram.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
CMAN, you keep posting this same idea in every thread that has a tiny amount of X1800XT Enthusiasm. Listen the X1800XL is out now and I am sure the X1800XT will be out for its launch date. Unless you have some sources that say other wise?
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So far i have been right,there are no Crossfire MB's yet And the chances of a 1800 crossfire set up performing even close to 7800 whatever SLI are very remote. ATI has too many irons in the fire right now to get every project to function to the level SLI is at. They will get it working but not buy the end of this year.
 
Originally Posted by Shifra
yea cause we're all going to see huge differences from the 430/1200 512mb over the 256mb right? Im not overly sure what you think happens when they add memory, but clocks dont shoot through the roof. Both of ATI's 512mb/256mb counterpart cards are getting clocked the exact same.

This Ultra shit is getting old.
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No what got old was ATI not releasing their cards on time like they promised. Also the fact that they are not the killer cards every ATI fan wanted. Now lets talk about the long over due Missfire configuration,nothing there but bait dangling in front of your face.
Mabey you should start your own video card company you seem to think you can do a better job.
 
It looks to me that everybody here is arguing over such small differences......the big difference is that the 7800GTX is available right now in quantity. The high ticket 1800 is still to arrive..... the boys here said themselves that the top of the line 1800 will not own the GTX like everyone thought.
These two cards are going to be very much alike.
It just depends if you want to wait until next month to get a card and then probably 6 more to get a crossfire set up.....or go ahead an enjoy your games in single or SLI now, regardless of which ones you play. :D BTW that was a real spanky picture of that 1800.
 
tornadotsunamilife said:
Intel have moved out of the intergrated graphic solutions market! Rejoice! At least...for now (actually I think one or two chipsets still have it)
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Intel is the largest graphics supplier in the world because it is a part of their chipset business. They would not cannibilize most of their market share in the chipset business that way.
 
Good luck betatesting Crossfire for ATI, maybe they'll give you a break on the cost and only charge you $550/XT.

GTX SLI is here today, and working great. :)

Anybody with a GTX should just wait till the next gen, imho, instead of throwing bad money after good for an XT, especially if you want to run SLI/Crossfire.
 
coz said:
I disagree, if IQ is the main consideration then X1800XT looks like the better card.
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QFT and from experience with the X1800XL. X1800XT in Crossfire will deliver the best IQ while maintaning ultra high settings IMHO.
 
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