kyle pwns ati hah nice job

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digitalwanderer said:
:rolleyes:

Sorry, I'll butt out.

You posting an X1800 review tonight/tomorrow Kyle, or will you wait until they're available.... :p
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We will post the review and we will go out of our way to rip their lying Canuck asses a new one if they don't deliver as promised.
 
pigpen said:
Kind of wierd that a Canadian could be offended by it. I honestly thought it was an embrased term. see:http://www.vancouvercanucks.com/

If it's derogatory, wouldn't that be like renaming the Patriots the New England Lazy Fat Americans?
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And I mean really, if you really want to see Kyle offend someone, you should go to one of his Grand Wizard meetings. Whoooo! Talk about the F'bombs! :eek:




Joking of course.
He's a skinhead :D
 
digitalwanderer said:
So a, "Fooled once, shame on you; fooled twice, shame on you", type attitude then? ;)
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More like a .."throw Champagne-a on me once.............shame on you....."


*SNL skit for those who don't get this*
 
digitalwanderer said:
So a, "Fooled once, shame on you; fooled twice, shame on you", type attitude then? ;)
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Your insight is once again simply something to marvel.
 
Netrat33 said:
More like a .."throw Champagne-a on me once.............shame on you....."


*SNL skit for those who don't get this*
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Ahh, The Continental. Walken is the man.
 
My post here after long time.
All i wanted to say is i am disappointed. I did not expect such uncivilised comments from anyone at HardOcp.
I considered HardOCP as a serious press. And there are better ways to put things on pape ror website.
If there was any argument/problem/misunderstanding/issue betwen ATi and HarOcp that could be discussed through mail or if that needed to be on the portal it could have been put there in better words.
if you dont like ATI's paper launch, say so. But give company couple of weeks to get the stocks in and then do so.
And if you still insist on expressing your unhappyness about it then there are better ways and words to do so.
People talk about hard launch of 7800GTX. You are sitting in US and europe and getting cards on launch. it took a month for any 7800GTX to appear here in local market in India.
Its not like ATI
Its not anything like what Nvidia did when similar response from Kyle appeared here.

Forum members might be loving this so called "rant" here.
But what impression comment like that leaves on someone who reads that? Its definitely not good.
These are strictly my viewpoints. I know i may get flamed for this but this and not agreeing with Kyle but i felt like expressing this here as a concerned member.
I have no issues with Kyle. I barely know him and i am sure he does not know anything abou tme. But used to look at HardOCP as good serious press. And the forums as unbiased place to discuess things.
but just looking at whats being posted and allowed to continue here in forums for last month or so and i feel disappointed.
 
No nVidia did exactly what they needed to PR wise. After their 5xxx screw-up they came up with the 6xxx series which put them back in a better light. Then they produced the 7xxx series on time and with a HARD launch.

ATI has done just the exact opposite. Had a stellar product (9700/9800) then released hardware that barely kept up for the longest time with the 6xxx series and couldn't be found (PE = Phantom Edition). Then R520 is majorly delayed and Crossfire still appears to be vapor in the real world.

The result now is most of the enthusiast boards bashing ATI and nVidia laughing it up. nVidia is playing a god game both technology wise and business wise right now. Evidently they learned and ATI didn't.

-tReP
 
funkymonkey said:
My post here after long time.
All i wanted to say is i am disappointed. I did not expect such uncivilised comments from anyone at HardOcp.
I considered HardOCP as a serious press. And there are better ways to put things on pape ror website.
If there was any argument/problem/misunderstanding/issue betwen ATi and HarOcp that could be discussed through mail or if that needed to be on the portal it could have been put there in better words.
if you dont like ATI's paper launch, say so. But give company couple of weeks to get the stocks in and then do so.
And if you still insist on expressing your unhappyness about it then there are better ways and words to do so.
People talk about hard launch of 7800GTX. You are sitting in US and europe and getting cards on launch. it took a month for any 7800GTX to appear here in local market in India.
Its not like ATI
Its not anything like what Nvidia did when similar response from Kyle appeared here.

Forum members might be loving this so called "rant" here.
But what impression comment like that leaves on someone who reads that? Its definitely not good.
These are strictly my viewpoints. I know i may get flamed for this but this and not agreeing with Kyle but i felt like expressing this here as a concerned member.
I have no issues with Kyle. I barely know him and i am sure he does not know anything abou tme. But used to look at HardOCP as good serious press. And the forums as unbiased place to discuess things.
but just looking at whats being posted and allowed to continue here in forums for last month or so and i feel disappointed.
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I am sorry you cannot handle blatant honesty and opinion. You might check here for a group of people that are more your speed.
 
Canis makes a good point (back on pg 3 I believe) and so do plenty others when they say that the high-end graphics market doesn't make or break any Graphics Card company out there, they all stand on plenty of other legs... especially ATi.

It's sad that ATi seems to have no problem abusing their high-end market, it won't kill them, but in terms of loyalty it will, which in my mind is most important... While it doesn't get them richer it sure builds a better consumer base.

Great post Kyle, though the canadian thing was a bit much. Kyle, for good or worst, represents the minorities (us, high-end [H]ard individuals) and when he pushes his weight around like that and most of us agree with what he's saying, he speaks for us with a louder voice then we have individually as consumers and patrons.
 
LOl Ya know I dont see this much love on the sports forums about peoples teams.

ATI is a tech company and anyone who knows jack shit about companies like that have to deal with delays and hiccups. I am sure that tech companies would love to take the it will be ready when its done approach as some software companies do. But they cant for stock reasons ans such.

When both cards are out in stores people will be the better product. Wont matter diddly who was first to the table or not. Its not like anyone is going to be able to detect the differance in actual gameplay between the two top tier cards.
 
they produced the 7xxx series on time and with a HARD launch.
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A hard launch was easy for them, there was no pressure at all from Ati, they knew the R520 was delayed. If the R520 was not delayed but paper launched in April/May, with availability 1 or 2 months later, I bet Nv would not have done a hard launch but a paper too.
 
Mad Kyle back into action!

hahahahahaaha
good times for us [H] readers

And good job
ATI really needs this kind of objection so they can wake up and do things right next time!
 
digitalwanderer said:
So a, "Fooled once, shame on you; fooled twice, shame on you", type attitude then? ;)
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Seems more like a "we'll take the web traffic of the review and slam them at the same time" kinda attitude to me.

Guess I'll have to wait to read the review to see for sure, though.
 
Apple740 said:
A hard launch was easy for them, there was no pressure at all from Ati, they knew the R520 was delayed. If the R520 was not delayed but paper launched in April/May, with availability 1 or 2 months later, I bet Nv would not have done a hard launch but a paper too.
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right...but they didn't...they hard launched...and now the same is expected of ATi...and that's just how it is...I'm sorry if you feel that's unfair for poor, pitiful ATi to be compared to their direct competition...but that's how Capitalism works...
 
Apple740 said:
A hard launch was easy for them, there was no pressure at all from Ati, they knew the R520 was delayed. If the R520 was not delayed but paper launched in April/May, with availability 1 or 2 months later, I bet Nv would not have done a hard launch but paper too. .
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Hypothetical arguments are very bad....
As they could be true or bullshit...
Let's stick to the facts shall we? :)

Terra...
 
Sephiros said:
Mad Kyle back into action!

hahahahahaaha
good times for us [H] readers

And good job
ATI really needs this kind of objection so they can wake up and do things right next time!
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I agree...bend ATi over and show them what the [H]ard in [H]ard|OCP means...
 
Am I the only one that thinks of HardOCP and the ATI Quake Quack thing a few years ago? Anyway I agree with Kyle with this one and coments like this only make me more interested in the system reviews.
 
funkymonkey, the following rant has absolutely no bearing on you directly, I'm just going to use your post to hopefully emphasize what's on my mind after pages and pages of reading.

funkymonkey said:
All i wanted to say is i am disappointed. I did not expect such uncivilised comments from anyone at HardOcp.
I considered HardOCP as a serious press. And there are better ways to put things on pape ror website.

And if you still insist on expressing your unhappyness about it then there are better ways and words to do so.

Forum members might be loving this so called "rant" here.
But what impression comment like that leaves on someone who reads that? Its definitely not good.

But used to look at HardOCP as good serious press. And the forums as unbiased place to discuess things.
but just looking at whats being posted and allowed to continue here in forums for last month or so and i feel disappointed.
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I must say the state of mind that many people have allowed to let themselves fall into is really starting to annoy the shit outta me. Civilized this, Civilized that! In my estimation, being "civil" is adhering to what is defined as our "Civil Rights". Freedom of Speech is at the top of the list. I can not hardly tolerate all the whining, crying, pissing, and moaning because someone like Kyle takes that civil right to heart instead of getting snarred by some bullshit mass-media fabricated politically-correct-language conformance scheme to strip Americans even further of their written in ink liberties.

This is Kyle's website. This website resides in America. Kyle has the right to post what ever the fuck he wants on his web site. If there is anyone that does not understand this, then please go back and read the above paragraph as many times as it takes for it to sink in.

If you still disagree that Freedom of Speech is not a civil liberty and personal right, then I'm sure there are plenty of open spaces in other coutries you should be setting up shop at.

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Go read Anandtech if you want PC. www.anandtech.com


Very well put, I think I would add "or ATI worshiping" after the PC... Seems as of late ATI can do no wrong with Anand. I myself am hoping R520 will be a fast chip to put some pressure on nvidia, but lost interest about 3 months back...

Seems like R520 is becoming the next Half Life 2, hopefully the chip will turn out as good as the game did, minus the initial Steam issues.

Maybe this is why Valve & ATI go hand in hand :eek:
 
Pinnacle said:
ITs a bodybuilder thing!

We bodybuilders(Kyle former) dont Fuck around. HARDMOTHERFUCKINGCORE

GREAT stuff from the OWNER.
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kyle was a bodybuilder? thats news to me!
kudos.
 
Apple740 said:
A fact is that Nv can consider themselves very, VERY lucky that R520 was delayed. ;)
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That is not a fact, that is a guess from you point of view.
You got no proof, no facts, no nothing to back up you claim wich is nothing more than empty words.
Your statment is not a fact, but an unsupported postulate, sorry...

Terra - Buy a dictionary and learn the meaning of the words inside...
 
ivzk said:
There is absolutely no reason for us Canadians to be mad. After all we're not the ones who voted Bush in. Twice. Congrats.
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It's the "American" way. ;)
 
DejaWiz said:
If you still disagree that Freedom of Speech is not a civil liberty and personal right, then I'm sure there are plenty of open spaces in other coutries you should be setting up shop at.

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Contries like Cuba, China, North-Korea, Iran ect ;)

Terra...
 
Apple740 said:
A fact is that Nv can consider themselves very, VERY lucky that R520 was delayed. ;)
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lol...more like they can consider themselves smart for designing a chip that worked the first time with no respins and not jumping on a new process that caused delays...

I know you'd like to think that ATi is just unlucky and that if the world were fair ATi would be kicking nVidia's ass right now...but the simple fact is, nVidia is doing better because in the past several years they've made better decisions...nVidia isn't succeeding because ATi is unlucky, ATi is failing because they're making bad choices...
 
@DejaWiz

Nope i dont have any problems with him posting that. Read my post. I know its his website, its his freedom of speech and he can say whatever he wants in a manner he wants on his site.
Whatever happens does not affect me. But it does affect the reputation of HardOCP.whatever i had to say , i said that because i have seen reactions to this and what other people thinking about it on other forums/boards just casual talk with friends. And i tell you its not all good.
I posted as a concerned member, expressing my views on forums. Thats it.
 
Is the 7800 based on the 6800 architecture. If so, then Nvidia didn't design a chip that worked right out of the gates. Some of the touted features were broken in hardware upon it's release.
 
I think a lot of you are missing the point. This isn't just Kyle with a wild hair up his ass.

This is MANY enthusiast sites that were tagged for reviews and promissed that what they were reviewing would be available to consumers within a week.

Most of the reviewers went out on a limb for ATI and then ATI cut that limb off the tree.
 
Apple740 said:
A fact is that Nv can consider themselves very, VERY lucky that R520 was delayed. ;)
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The market was basically on a 6 month turn around for years. Nvidia usually made that cut historically. ATI has not made it more often. Both Nvidia & ATI are trying to increase their product cycle time so they have more time to recoup their R&D costs per generation.

BUT the reason ATI is late is b/c they are trying to reach Nvidia's performance bar.

They probably could have released a part weeks ago, if they didn't have to keep retaping out the chip to go for the highest clocks / more performance.

Normally, they wait and retape out a few months later for a faster part (like 5900/5950 or 9800 pro/9800XT). This time they keep redoing it b/c they need the absolute fastest chips the first go around just to compete. (or so it seems)

BTW, nice job pwning ATI, kyle.
 
ivzk said:
Is the 7800 based on the 6800 architecture. If so, then Nvidia didn't design a chip that worked right out of the gates. Some of the touted features were broken in hardware upon it's release.
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the 7800 is based on the 6800...just like almost every gpu is an extension of former technology...and yeah, agp 6800s had a bug with wmv9 acceleration...but that's a far cry from having multiple re-spins because they simply didn't work AT ALL...

comparing that bug in the 6800s to the delay of R520 is about like comparing a mountain to a molehill...
 
MaximLuva said:
I tend to think of myself as pretty liberal and open minded....

I agree, the word could have been replaced with "empty". Not anything related to a country, or group of people, or anything that could be construed negatively. However, this is Kyle's site and he has the right to write whatever he wants on here. :p

If it were me, I would have just left that word out and saved myself the inbox space and day-time soap opera drama it caused. :D
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Who gives a shit what you think.
Notice who owns this site.
He can say anything he wants.
These days everybody wants to be politically correct. Its a cheap shit way out of everything. It goes along with the philosophy that nothing in "my" fault, it has to be someone else's.
I admire anybody who isnt afraid to say what they think. If it hurts somebody's feelings.....well my mother always said.....the truth hurts.....Go whine somewhere else.
 
ivzk said:
Is the 7800 based on the 6800 architecture. If so, then Nvidia didn't design a chip that worked right out of the gates. Some of the touted features were broken in hardware upon it's release.
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So according to your line of thought: when AMD released the Athlon 64 they didn't design it, since it was "based" on the Athlon XP? If nvidia didn't design the chip who did? The thing didn't just pop up out of the silicon. Even if they didn't have to do _much_ design to get the 7800 out the door, they still designed the 6800 with enough flexability for it to be used as a model for the next gen... Funny how some people don't even think before they post...

Plain and simple, ATI made some mistakes.

NO COMPANY IS PERFECT, but the good companies own up to their mistakes and rectify them properly, not by trying to be sneaky and release their products to the entusiast hardware sites only (a.k.a newegg getting crossfire and nobody else). ATI is doing damage control now and will be doing damage control of the damage control soon if it doesn't blow the 7800 GTX away in single and crossfire.

Former 8500, 9700, and 9800xt owner, I've got a Quadro now and am hoping to be going back to ATI soon. Not sure if this will happen though.

Aaron_ATX said:
Jesus fucking christ there are alot of pussies with computers.
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Bravo!
 
well put.....
it's all about the delivery....

however, this is america, and since when does america care about how they speak? We invented ebonics, and bushisms! :D
 
I read a PR this morning that said the xbox360 was going to launch on Nov. 22 with availability in early January.
 
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