kyle pwns ati hah nice job

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sabrewolf732 said:
I agree, making a general statement about all canadians just because ATI is a canadian company is wrong. :rolleyes:
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Wow I had no idea Canadians were wound up so tight like that. You guys are reading way to much into that and you know better.

I mean really... Do you honestly think that statement was really meant to apply to the entire country?

It could've been worded better but you are blowing it WAY out of proportion here.
 
Well, for that matter, what do you think most ppl on these boards would've said if Kyle would say that we don't need paper launches from yankee country (or somthing more offensive)?

C'mon, you know it would've been a big issue... ;) It always seems very easy for many americans to belittle others, but when their country is insulted (even if i don't think this was a big insult), it's the worst of the worst.

(no, I'm not canadian.....Upstate NY here)
 
skindogg said:
Oh noes, canada is mad. Are they going to invade with hockey sticks? ;)

But seriously, if cards aren't available tomorrow, BLAME CANADA!
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Damn you....Now i have that stupid ass BLAME CANADA song in my head now... :D
 
There is absolutely no reason for us Canadians to be mad. After all we're not the ones who voted Bush in. Twice. Congrats.
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I helped do that too!
I like Bush but thats not what this topics about.
ATi Screwed up majorly. I never thought that a company would lie about something that, as the poster above me said, could easily be proved wrong.
Ive always liked ATi more but not in a F.A.N B.O.Y Way. I have a 6800GT in my Shuttle I have Nvidia Products in other computers and I love the N Force Boards.
To those who think I am ATi Biased, no but I just like to fight for the Underdog most of the time.
 
Canuck bitching and moaning about canuck promises. :)

I really wanted the ati xfire mobo, xfire card combo, all of it in a sweet package, delivering speed and quality.

...thing is, I started hearing things like bad USB support, no support for higher resolutions, and still I waited... and waited... and waited.

Then one day, I gave up on ATI and went SLI. Nvidia might as well change their slogan to something like, "ours is the performance champ, and ours can be purchased today." Doesn't look like ati will be making that statement a falsehood any time soon.
 
ScYcS said:
Well, for that matter, what do you think most ppl on these boards would've said if Kyle would say that we don't need paper launches from yankee country (or somthing more offensive)?
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I think you're right that a lot of people here would've made a big deal out of it. There are a lot of people wound up pretty tight here in the states. I honestly thought Canadians weren't like that to the same extent. Perhaps I was wrong...

That said the bottom line here is: do you TRULY believe those comments were meant to apply to anyone but ATI? That he really believes Canadians are more likely to break promises than anyone else?

No ofcourse they weren't and everyone who is getting their panties up in a wad knows it to. I'm kinda skeptical otherwise.
 
Hmm not sure how I feel about Kyles comments. Personally I come here for tech news and UNBIASED reviews. Now when the new cards do come out, people will question are they unbiased or not.

Someone also mentioned that ATI would be beggeing hardocp to review their product. I highly doubt that. This is how this site makes its money. I really dont see them doing that for to long if they didnt review the top products of the day.

Comment on Canadians is a given was uncalled for. Well we see an apoligy from Kyle. Who knows the man can be pretty vocal about his opinions.

People thinking that ATI is dying is really funny. SO what they dont have their new ubber video card rdy to go yet. And the ubber 600 card prolly will not be out till Nov. Well im thinking that that card will generate less then 1 of their total income for the year. And yes ATI could leave the ubber gamer video market and be a thrieving company for years to come. The biggest one now is Intel by far. If I were in business and graphics were what I did. I would much rather go after a piece of that pie. Then the ubber PC modder market.
 
All right, yeesh, enough with the Canada bashing already. As a West Virginian, I can sympathize with our Canadian brothers, being that I am part of the armpit of the East Coast.

Anywho...

That post is the single reason that I trust HardOCP implicitly for hardware reviews, they aren't afraid to call out a company in public when they get fucked. They don't try to do a back-door "pay us and we'll shut up" kinda deal, they don't pussy-foot around the subject, they just say it like it is.

Keep this up along with the "real-world" benchmarking like HardOCP has been doing for the past 3 years, and I'll keep coming back.
 
Netrat33 said:
Couple of things:

1: sounds like ATI wrote kyle something nasty that they really shouldn't have done. Especially since Hardocp just reports the news.

2: Still hoping the mainstream cards come out tomorrow and they are correcting past mistakes even with the motherboard. They still have a chance.

3: I know master cards are had to find, but curious: can you use an SLI board in a crossfire setup? If so, then they can minimize one problem in a way :) granted they ahve to go to their competition for help :p
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SLI and Backfire are soley owned tech and require a dedicated chipset.....they are not at least right now interchangable.................I love my SLI! :D
 
Netrat33 said:
Couple of things:

1: sounds like ATI wrote kyle something nasty that they really shouldn't have done. Especially since Hardocp just reports the news.
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I wouldn't be suprised if they did, a friend of mine has to deal with their PR department alot and doesn't like the reps he's had to talk with.
 
magoo said:
SLI and Backfire are soley owned tech and require a dedicated chipset.....they are not at least right now interchangable.................I love my SLI! :D
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With the way the tech works crossfire should be able to run on SLI mobos since the needed hardware is on the Master card, it would seem that it's mostly a driver limitation.
 
Well, I must say, Kyle has never been one to not say what on his mind about anything. However, I feel that maybe he should have created an article about the current state of ATI, instead of putting these silly, immature comments on the front page. And the Canadian comment was totally out of line, an apology is not only in order, but neccessary (sp?) But it's his website, so what can you do. This is the second or third time I've wanted to take HardOCP off my favorites list, but they do great reviews. Oh well, guess it's back to Anandtech.

Kwincy
 
ScYcS said:
Well, for that matter, what do you think most ppl on these boards would've said if Kyle would say that we don't need paper launches from yankee country (or somthing more offensive)?

C'mon, you know it would've been a big issue... ;) It always seems very easy for many americans to belittle others, but when their country is insulted (even if i don't think this was a big insult), it's the worst of the worst.

(no, I'm not canadian.....Upstate NY here)
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Let me say that "Americans" are Canadians as well, same for Mexicans, Chileans, Brazilians, etc... America is a continent, not one nation.

Sorry, don't mean to just piss you off, but it's a pet peeve of mine when people refer to the United States of America simply as "America" ;)

Now, Kyle was probably wrong to use the "canuk" thing, and it wasn't politically correct, regardless, I'm more upset at how ATI has handled business than how one person said something.
 
ivzk said:
There is absolutely no reason for us Canadians to be mad. After all we're not the ones who voted Bush in. Twice. Congrats.
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LOL so true.....SOOOO true.... ;)
Me <3 Tom Delay! :D :D :rolleyes:
 
SgtSweatySac said:
All right, yeesh, enough with the Canada bashing already. As a West Virginian, I can sympathize with our Canadian brothers, being that I am part of the armpit of the East Coast.

Anywho...

That post is the single reason that I trust HardOCP implicitly for hardware reviews, they aren't afraid to call out a company in public when they get fucked. They don't try to do a back-door "pay us and we'll shut up" kinda deal, they don't pussy-foot around the subject, they just say it like it is.

Keep this up along with the "real-world" benchmarking like HardOCP has been doing for the past 3 years, and I'll keep coming back.
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Keep your Hillbilly comments to yourself! :p

(Im a West Virginan too...And agree with you actually.)


Political Correctness is Intellectual Fascism.. That being said, ATI has many employees in the US do they not?
 
NEODARK said:
Let me say that "Americans" are Canadians as well, same for Mexicans, Chileans, Brazilians, etc... America is a continent, not one nation.

Sorry, don't mean to just piss you off, but it's a pet peeve of mine when people refer to the United States of America simply as "America" ;)
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If you ask someone from the USA "what are you?" the answer is "American"
If you ask someone from those other countries the answer is "Canadian, mexican, chilean" whatever.

We are Americans those others are not. You identify with your country not your continent.
 
NEODARK said:
Now, Kyle was probably wrong to use the "canuk" thing, and it wasn't politically correct, regardless, I'm more upset at how ATI has handled business than how one person said something.
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I agree with you. He could've/should've worded that better. I think people are getting a bit more riled up than they should be about it but whatever, that's their prerogative.

If cards aren't available on launch day or very very shortly thereafter people are going to go bananas.
 
TheBluePill said:
Keep your Hillbilly comments to yourself! :p

(Im a West Virginan too...And agree with you actually.)


Political Correctness is Intellectual Fascism.. That being said, ATI has many employees in the US do they not?
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No shit? I'm from Falling Waters, working in Martinsburg right now at Quad Graphics. For this area, this job is pretty good.
 
Vermicious Knid said:
If you ask someone from the USA "what are you?" the answer is "American"
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That doesn't make it the right answer, does it?

Vermicious Knid said:
If you ask someone from those other countries the answer is "Canadian, mexican, chilean" whatever.
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If you ask me if I'm American, I'll say yes. And I wasn't born in the United States.


Vermicious Knid said:
We are Americans those others are not. You identify with your country not your continent.
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see my previous comments :p
 
soulsaver_8229 said:
verbal rants over the internet make you pwn someone? :confused: :rolleyes:

im sure kyle just wants to get ait a hop in their step to get back in the line of fire and make their investers happy.......his rant reminds me of Everquest, if anyone played and always read Furor's rants from Fires of Heaven?

seems every time he ranted, GM's would change it for some odd reason :p he did have a big following, much like hard forums

my opinion.......it was uncalled for.......you can rant all day about a company, but at the end of the day, im sure a good 100-400 ati cards sold today in one way or another, new and used........this isnt the end of ati, ALL companies go through it

its called making the people who pay you happy.......

if i were kyle i wouldnt rant.......unless he was really really hoping to score a card for his new rig, i think it was kinda pointless and doesnt help the situation

im by no means an ati freek, i just really, cant cant cant cant stand green pcb any more, there for i pretty much stick with ati, plus i know about their cards more so than nvida, so i stick with ati, and yes i know nvida has some other color pcb's from other companies

once the cards are released, and new benchmarking is done with crossfire im sure the mood will change, investers will be happy, dev's will be proud of what theyve done, and we will all come home and some of you might even order some

companies go down, companies come up.........the drama should stop........the threads about drama and knowing its flame bait should stop, this is the worst subforum to post in, or to make a thread in

ive seen 3-5 threads get jacked by ati/nvida lovers.........but anyway my rants over with, thats my OPINION, not flamebait, not hating, nothing but my opinion, thanks for reading, hope it brought you to tears and you go to sleep better men.........and women


soulsaver
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You have shown here that you have no understanding of the situation at all.
 
SgtSweatySac said:
No shit? I'm from Falling Waters, working in Martinsburg right now at Quad Graphics. For this area, this job is pretty good.
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WOW 2 more from good ole WV. im in so.char

i am an Nvidia fanb0y and have been since my geforce2 so what ati has doesn't really get my attention
 
NEODARK said:
That doesn't make it the right answer, does it?
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Yes actually it is the correct answer. We are not United States of Americanites, we are Americans

NEODARK said:
If you ask me if I'm American, I'll say yes. And I wasn't born in the United States.
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Anyone who asks that question is asking about your national origin. If you go to Europe and someone asks if you are American, they are refering to the USA not the whole continents of North and South America, even the French grasp this simple concept...
 
I have gotten a handful of mail this morning from Canucks with their panties in a wad about me using the word "Canuck" to describe ATI. Let me just say this. If you are truly stupid enough to take that as a slam on a whole country, well then you probably should not be reading up about DIY tech stuff as you are a surely going to break it. ATI is a bunch of Canucks in my book and always has been. It is not the first time I have referred to them as Canucks and it will not be the last. I have never even thought of Canucks as being a derogitory term. And yes, we have been using it for years.

http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjgwMixBdWd1c3QgICAsMjAwMA==

If you don't like the way I say it, then I invite you to never again view our little web page. So if you have a touch screen, I am sure you can easily touch the Red X in the top right hand corner of your browser with your pinky finger that is sticking up from your tea cup.

Go read Anandtech if you want PC. www.anandtech.com
 
ScYcS said:
Huh a little on the edge this morning kyle?
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I'm loving it but yea I was wondering that too.

To Kyle:
Did they (ATI) say something to you about crossfire? Or just your opinion out of no where?
 
NEODARK said:
That doesn't make it the right answer, does it?

If you ask me if I'm American, I'll say yes. And I wasn't born in the United States.

see my previous comments :p
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it means both

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

Main Entry: 1Amer·i·can
Pronunciation: &-'mer-&-k&n, -'m&r-, -'mar-, -i-k&n
Function: noun
1 : an American Indian of No. America or So. America
2 : a native or inhabitant of No. America or So. America
3 : a citizen of the U.S.
4 : AMERICAN ENGLISH

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/american+english

Main Entry: American English
Function: noun
: the English language as spoken in the U.S. -- used especially with the implication that it is clearly distinguishable from British English yet not so divergent as to be a separate language
 
I think Kyle's right here, and I loved his rant. I may be remembered for giving a hard time to people who were repeatedly crucifying the ACS3 marketing crap... :D But this is the kind of stuff that needs to have attention drawn to it to get the company to fix their broken processes.

ATi is coming along with a "catch-up" hack of a system, just to show people they can keep up with nVidia and do dual cards. It's bad enough that they require a "special" and a "regular" card, instead of two of whatever you want (and you can buy one of them later). And to top it off, they can't deliver it until six months after they announce and demo it? On generation-ago GPU cores?

LAME. Thanks to Kyle for calling it how it is... he is nobody's lapdog!
 
Netrat33 said:
Did they (ATI) say something to you about crossfire? Or just your opinion out of no where?
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Even if there was no one single event, it's hardly out of nowhere, ATI have been screwing around with this paper launch crap for months (longer if you start counting from x800).

Nvidia set the bar this time, they took note of the complaints from last time, and you could hardly move for stacks of boxes on 7series launch day. They did it right.

ATI Have totally dropped the ball and strung everyone (customers, retailers, reviewers) along for ages and it looks like they're going to keep stringing us along until christmas.

No information is better than misleading information.

The fuckers.
 
Vermicious Knid said:
Yes actually it is the correct answer. We are not United States of Americanites, we are Americans



Anyone who asks that question is asking about your national origin. If you go to Europe and someone asks if you are American, they are refering to the USA not the whole continents of North and South America, even the French grasp this simple concept...
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That's still not POLITICALLY CORRECT, and this is what this whole thread is about, isn't it?

Yes,

I agree that people born in the Unites States are recognized worldwide as "Americans" but it doesn't make it politically correct; Again that is a continent, not a nation.

If someone asked if you are "American" even if you weren't born in the "states" and you were born in the continent, you can reply "yes" and still answer correctly. ;)

PS: Thanks for the definition Nidhogg, I guess in the end both are right, but at the same time you can anser YES, I'm American. Even if you weren't born on the States.
 
ScYcS said:
Huh a little on the edge this morning kyle?
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Na, just tired of a bunch of men whining like little school girls. Everyone thinks they should get an apology now days because they might get a little offended or maybe see something that they THINK could be offensive. Frankly, I expect this sort of behavior out of tons of girly Americans, but quite frankly did not expect it out of a bunch of Canucks.
 
digitalwanderer said:
Not meaning to start a fight or nothing Kyle, and I ain't disagreeing with your ATi commentary at all; but it's not that you call Canadians "Canucks" that has got people riled up, it's the way you use it to imply that all Canadians are dishonest that probably put the bee up their asses. ;)


Check out your useage, replace "Canuck" with "Canadian" and it still is pretty insulting.

I've been following this thread, just not commenting....but I thought I might point out a slightly different viewpoint on this issue since I think you're not quite seeing their point.

Again, I mean no offense....just some friendly insight. :)
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I'm with Kyle on this one...anyone who would take offense to his original comment is a whiner imho...good riddance
 
MartinX said:
Even if there was no one single event, it's hardly out of nowhere, ATI have been screwing around with this paper launch crap for months (longer if you start counting from x800).

Nvidia set the bar this time, they took note of the complaints from last time, and you could hardly move for stacks of boxes on 7series launch day. They did it right.

ATI Have totally dropped the ball and strung everyone (customers, retailers, reviewers) along for ages and it looks like they're going to keep stringing us along until christmas.

No information is better than misleading information.

The fuckers.
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what I mean out of no-where is that Hardocp is pretty non-biased. Not that was a biased rant, but it did just come out of left field and was harsh. It seemed more personal than just saying "Hey ATi, get your act straight" Everything he said was true, just saying seemed like a cause/effect comment
 
post edited cause i read kyle's humorous comment after i finished typing this.
 
I tend to think of myself as pretty liberal and open minded....

I agree, the word could have been replaced with "empty". Not anything related to a country, or group of people, or anything that could be construed negatively. However, this is Kyle's site and he has the right to write whatever he wants on here. :p

If it were me, I would have just left that word out and saved myself the inbox space and day-time soap opera drama it caused. :D
 
digitalwanderer said:
Not meaning to start a fight or nothing Kyle, and I ain't disagreeing with your ATi commentary at all; but it's not that you call Canadians "Canucks" that has got people riled up, it's the way you use it to imply that all Canadians are dishonest that probably put the bee up their asses. ;)


Check out your useage, replace "Canuck" with "Canadian" and it still is pretty insulting.

I've been following this thread, just not commenting....but I thought I might point out a slightly different viewpoint on this issue since I think you're not quite seeing their point.

Again, I mean no offense....just some friendly insight. :)
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Just to repeat myself, "If you are truly stupid enough to take that as a slam on a whole country, well then you probably should not be reading up about DIY tech stuff as you are a surely going to break it. "
 
Netrat33 said:
what I mean out of no-where is that Hardocp is pretty non-biased. Not that was a biased rant, but it did just come out of left field and was harsh. It seemed more personal than just saying "Hey ATi, get your act straight" Everything he said was true, just saying seemed like a cause/effect comment
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I got a feeling that Kyle didn't like being lied too, and thus telling a lie to us(the readers).
I know I have it the same way.

Terra - Lie to me and I will slam you ;)
 
Netrat33 said:
what I mean out of no-where is that Hardocp is pretty non-biased. Not that was a biased rant, but it did just come out of left field and was harsh. It seemed more personal than just saying "Hey ATi, get your act straight" Everything he said was true, just saying seemed like a cause/effect comment
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Yeah I get ya, I speculated in another thread that perhaps ATI issued some kind of "Guys, please play down the lack of availablity in your reviews" request (or maybe even threat) to Kyle and/or reviewers in general, which would be very bad form.

Or maybe Kyle and Co were just writing up their "conclusion" and it became apparent that these cards are vapourware (it is only in the last day so that it's become apparent that r520s are not going to be anywhere near a shop in any meaningful way for the official "Launch"), so he got extra pissed off and had to vent.
 
digitalwanderer said:
You posting an X1800 review tonight/tomorrow Kyle, or will you wait until they're available....
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I actually asked that back on page 2. It would be one way to stand up against "paper launches" by only reviewing the X1800XL and holding back the X1800XT review until they are actually available. I mean, ATI themselves stated no X1800XT until early november and OCUK is saying December.
 
{HARD}OCP is not the only ones that were dupped into a hard launch and then left reporting false infomation. I'm sure there is going to be quite a few more with the same reaction to Kyles justfied response. I would be willing to bet Kyle was sent a unplesant letter from ATI which was the reason for his recent bit of news.
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=171
 
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