7800gtx - wasted potential

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clanpitt

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Hi Guys,

Just found you on the net and the converstaion looks really good and informative.

Wondered what you thought about this.


I was just about to splash out on a new 7800GTX when i read an article in a respected mag that said if you haven't got a monitor with 1600x12000 minumum resolution you will never fully realise this cards capability.

Now I only have a native res on my NEC/Mitsubishi (18") of 1280x1024.


Rest of the system Athlon 64 4000+, 2Gb Ram on Gigabite N4 Ultra board should be OK but as you can imagine I'm now deflated.

My heart says buy it anyway. My wallet says buy a 7800GT and save about £80.


I'd like to hear any views on the subject
 
Yeah, anything less than 1600x1200 would be a waste of money, get the GT ;)
 
I would say get the GT, the performance between the GTX and GT aren't very astronomical
 
clanpitt said:
Just found you on the net and the conversation looks really good and informative.
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You'll know better when you've been here a while. :)

If I were you I wouldn't make my mind up about what card to buy until you've seen what the new ATi offerings are like. Since another ATi paper-launch would be a PR disaster I'd expect to see availability straight away too.

But in regards to GTX vs GT, with your display I'd go for the GT as well.

BTW, welcome to the forums. :)
 
clanpitt said:
I was just about to splash out on a new 7800GTX when i read an article in a respected mag that said if you haven't got a monitor with 1600x12000 minumum resolution you will never fully realise this cards capability.
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Yeah, maybe for today's games, but the 7800 is going to get gradually slower as games advance. There's no way it will run next year's games at 1600 x 1200. So I say the 7800 is an even better buy for 1280 x 1024 resolution because it will last longer into next year.

Trimlock said:
I would say get the GT, the performance between the GTX and GT aren't very astronomical
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Even better plan :)
 
Guys, you're forgetting that you're futurproof. Unless you depend on buying the latest and greatest every 3 months, the GTX will last you a lot longer than a GT.
 
Garric said:
Guys, you're forgetting that you're futurproof. Unless you depend on buying the latest and greatest every 3 months, the GTX will last you a lot longer than a GT.
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'A lot' longer? I don't think so.
 
like stated before your buying the GTX to be futureproof.

1280x1024 may be fine for a game coming out now, but by this christmas or early next year the GT might have more trouble running those games.


if you have no trouble selling your hardware and upgrading every once in a while then go for a GT. that way you can put that extra cash into your next upgrade after you sell your GT. <---what i would do.
 
Tyrant222 said:
like stated before your buying the GTX to be futureproof.

1280x1024 may be fine for a game coming out now, but by this christmas or early next year the GT might have more trouble running those games.


if you have no trouble selling your hardware and upgrading every once in a while then go for a GT. that way you can put that extra cash into your next upgrade after you sell your GT. <---what i would do.
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Buying to be "future proof" is foolish. It makes more sense to save the $100 now and put it towards a new high-end card in another year - when the games actually exist to take advantage of it.
 
SLI is futureproof nubs

1x7800gt this year then

2x7800gts will last at least 2yrs at that res unless I'm a retarded tree humper.
 
ok man i stoked up the fear mp demo last night at 1600x1200, with everything in the game maxed out, nvid control panel at high quality, taa super samping enabled, gamma aa enabled, and when i ran the "test settings" thing, i got 100% under 40fps. so i bumped it down to 1280x1042 and changed super sampling to multi sampling, and then i tested at 100% OVER 40fps. and it looked amazing. so dont worry. you will definitely be able to max out this card at your res. i was able to do it with 2xgt, you can do it with 1xgtx.
 
Clanpitt stated:
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Hi Guys,

Just found you on the net and the converstaion looks really good and informative.

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Give it some time you'll change your mind about that. You will probably invest in some wading boots before long to get through it all.
 
vanilla_guerilla said:
ok man i stoked up the fear mp demo last night at 1600x1200, with everything in the game maxed out, nvid control panel at high quality, taa super samping enabled, gamma aa enabled, and when i ran the "test settings" thing, i got 100% under 40fps. so i bumped it down to 1280x1042 and changed super sampling to multi sampling, and then i tested at 100% OVER 40fps. and it looked amazing. so dont worry. you will definitely be able to max out this card at your res. i was able to do it with 2xgt, you can do it with 1xgtx.
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Keep in mind that's with no TAA - but it doesn't matter in this game, as there are no alpha-textures.

Try it in 'Battlefield 2' or 'Call of Duty 2', and you'll notice a performance drop with TAA on - doesn't do anything in FEAR, since there it's not used.

Better, try it in "Far Cry" outdoors with HDR on. (LOL - watch your performance drop to single-digits!)
 
Get a better monitor - at least a 21" LCD - and get the 7800 GTX. Then your games will look better and you'll be ready for the future!
 
Ya know I never see why people think that SLI is future proof? As in have the ability will enable some new feature that the future games will be using. But seeing as by than the card will be a year or more old. Odds are it might not even have the ability to run that new video feature. And lets remember directX 10 is right around the corner. And nothing hard ware wise supports that.
 
dderidex said:
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Keep in mind that's with no TAA - but it doesn't matter in this game, as there are no alpha-textures.

Try it in 'Battlefield 2' or 'Call of Duty 2', and you'll notice a performance drop with TAA on - doesn't do anything in FEAR, since there it's not used.

Better, try it in "Far Cry" outdoors with HDR on. (LOL - watch your performance drop to single-digits!)
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yea i know this. i was pointing out to the man that this card can be humbled in todays games, at his res. and its not extremely hard to do.
 
hmm well the gtx is slightly more future proof...but before you splash out on the gtx/gt wait for ati's cards to come out and the hard review/anand tech review, then spend your money.

ALSO: FEAR is being made to run 'more easy' on the computers...my source is PCGamer the UK magazine..which is highly respectable :)
 
clanpitt said:
Hi Guys,

Just found you on the net and the converstaion looks really good and informative.

Wondered what you thought about this.


I was just about to splash out on a new 7800GTX when i read an article in a respected mag that said if you haven't got a monitor with 1600x12000 minumum resolution you will never fully realise this cards capability.

Now I only have a native res on my NEC/Mitsubishi (18") of 1280x1024.


Rest of the system Athlon 64 4000+, 2Gb Ram on Gigabite N4 Ultra board should be OK but as you can imagine I'm now deflated.

My heart says buy it anyway. My wallet says buy a 7800GT and save about £80.


I'd like to hear any views on the subject
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The reason for that verdict is simply because there's currently no processor and game out there that can fully take advantage of a GTX, so the only way to use all that extra power is to up the resolution. Now THAT is a waste.

Welcome to the boards. Hope you become a regular, it never gets boring ;)

Arialis said:
Ya know I never see why people think that SLI is future proof? As in have the ability will enable some new feature that the future games will be using. But seeing as by than the card will be a year or more old. Odds are it might not even have the ability to run that new video feature. And lets remember directX 10 is right around the corner. And nothing hard ware wise supports that.
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In terms of future proofing, there's no such thing, but i believe the term is simply used for a card that will last you a very long time without upgrading. That said, there's no card out there that beat the ti4200's longetivity. Who knows, the GTX might actually be as robust.
 
Arialis said:
And lets remember directX 10 is right around the corner. And nothing hard ware wise supports that.
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yes, exactly what i wanted to point it out....how can people name GTX futureproof when we'll be getting DirectX10 with no support yet...it's still a year ahead but i assume by futureproof u guys mean 2-3 years
 
Garric said:
Guys, you're forgetting that you're futurproof. Unless you depend on buying the latest and greatest every 3 months, the GTX will last you a lot longer than a GT.
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Not quite true. Future proof in the graphics market is no longer about MHz and pipelines but rather about feature sets and combinations. The nVidia managed to make HDR at least viable by reworking their silicon with the 7800series. They fixed inherant limitations. The next gen will go even further down this path.
 
clanpitt said:
Hi Guys,

Just found you on the net and the converstaion looks really good and informative.

Wondered what you thought about this.


I was just about to splash out on a new 7800GTX when i read an article in a respected mag that said if you haven't got a monitor with 1600x12000 minumum resolution you will

never fully realise this cards capability.

Now I only have a native res on my NEC/Mitsubishi (18") of 1280x1024.


Rest of the system Athlon 64 4000+, 2Gb Ram on Gigabite N4 Ultra board should be OK but as you can imagine I'm now deflated.

My heart says buy it anyway. My wallet says buy a 7800GT and save about £80.


I'd like to hear any views on the subject
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if you'e not rushed for time, you can also consider buying the PPU card that is set to
debut sometime in quarter 4 for around 250-300 USD.

the PPU will relieve your processor of a sizeable processing burden with the kind of
physics crunching that will become more popular in games over the near future. that
should boost your play considerably and extend the life of a budget card like the
7800GT or one of the new ATI offerings.

skip SLI.
 
How long will it take for DX10 to be the standard? Good games take YEARS to develop (Oblivion:3, NWN:4 or 5. Half Life 2:1 century). So, when DX10 is introduced there will perfected hardware to take advantage of it giving the leeway of one generation to adapt to the new API (practically that is. Remember the Geforce 5 seires and DX9? Just an example, it could happen for both sides this time)

Now if there is no hardware to take advantage of it, games will still be developed in DX9. Even when the hardware becomes avialable, games will mainly be developed in DX9 because DX9 cards are what mainstream (READ:Most) consumers have. When DX10 card become the mainstream, then developers will begin to invest in heavy DX10 implementation.

So lets track. In 2006 developers start making games that will be released in 2007 and 2008 in DX9. Maybe in late 2007, games that will be developed in DX10 and will be released in 2008 and 2009 will start being developed. Having a GTX should last you from now till about 2008. If you ask me, I am not worried at all. In 2008 I will have the money for a new setup. In the mean time, I will just bump down from 16*12 to 12*10 (which aint so bad) if the need reveals itself. I am futureproof. In the sense that I can play games with their eye candy at a good framerate (50+. Maybe 40+) for quite a long time. F.E.A.R. might worry people a bit, but that game needs some serious optimisations.

And lets not forgot that current next generation game engines have been developed in DX9. The Unreal 3 engine (which has been licenced by noteworth developers like Bioware) will last a while. I think I heard somewhere that the UE4 is being developed, but I don't expect it to debut till at least 2007, if even that early. A 7800GTX is safe for 2 years for good gameplay/graphical delights ratio. 2 GTXs are safe for great gameplay/graphical delights ratio. And lets not forget to factor in the improvements of Dual Cores. my 81.33 drivers are class. the 81.82 drivers are a bit slower, but they have a general improvement in the experience (everyone is complementing how 'smooth' they are.)

Of coure this is all just some logical reasoning. I am not 100% sure. :p

Mindoculus said:
if you'e not rushed for time, you can also consider buying the PPU card that is set to
debut sometime in quarter 4 for around 250-300 USD.

the PPU will relieve your processor of a sizeable processing burden with the kind of
physics crunching that will become more popular in games over the near future. that
should boost your play considerably and extend the life of a budget card like the
7800GT or one of the new ATI offerings.

skip SLI.
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I wanted a PPU :(. But my Mobo is full now since I put in my Wireless Card (had to remove the Creative SBA gameport addon ) So I can't even put one in my comp. So I used the money to buy a 20.1" LCD :cool:. I would have gotten an Xbox360, but my uncle refused to ship my heavy 19" CRT to Ghana :D so I had to buy the LCD (I wanted a 16*12 setup)
 
welcome to that which is deemed [H]ard ....and I would suggest the GT as well if your looken to save a couple bucks .. you can snag another GT down the road and run sli if you like I guess ... or get an GeForce2 MX200 for 5 bucks and wait for ATI's release of their next card ...or maybe just wait for nVidia's next release , as they might both come out at about the same time ... :p
 
Turn on SSAA in BF:2 with 8xS AA and tell me if it's wasted. Not even a 7800GTX SLI rig would be able to do that and maintain a constant framerate above 60fps.

It's all about the eye candy.
 
well honestly, would an oc'ed gtx perform to such a noticeable extent than an oc'ed gt? are u telling me that i'm gonna notice the 8% increase in frame rates? i still don't understand the point of getting a gtx. is it honestly for pure e-penis?
 
Mindoculus said:
if you'e not rushed for time, you can also consider buying the PPU card that is set to
debut sometime in quarter 4 for around 250-300 USD.

the PPU will relieve your processor of a sizeable processing burden with the kind of
physics crunching that will become more popular in games over the near future. that
should boost your play considerably and extend the life of a budget card like the
7800GT or one of the new ATI offerings.

skip SLI.
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good advice.
 
Xeero said:
well honestly, would an oc'ed gtx perform to such a noticeable extent than an oc'ed gt? are u telling me that i'm gonna notice the 8% increase in frame rates? i still don't understand the point of getting a gtx. is it honestly for pure e-penis?
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If this was the difference between a 6800GT and a 6800Ultra, I'd say yes. They're both basically the same card, same number of pipes on each of them. The 6800GT is just clocked 50MHz slower. 90% of the 6800GT's can be clocked to Ultra speeds without any special cooling.

However, such is not the case with the 7800GT and the 7800GTX. 7800GTX has more pipes.
 
GFreeman9 said:
Don't forget that the memory is clocked 100mhz slower. Memory speeds are important too! :p
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Yeah, yeah, but the impact of that is even more minimal that overclocking the core.

But hey, FPS's are FPS's.

All I know is, when I still had my 6800GT, after slapping a NV5 Silencer, I was able to get 416/1150 out of it for 100% stability for hours of gaming, and 427/1230 with about 10 minutes of stability.
 
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