ATI is sincerly f#@king shit up now. I will never buy one of their cards.
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Wow... the Canadians gave me another reason to hate them!
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Trepidati0n
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How often due you buy an ATI card? Or do you buy a card made by a 3rd party that has ATI chips on it? The 3rd party can warranty as long as they like. This has nothing really to do with ATI and graphics cards. Their "own" products lines...then you got something.
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I second this opinion...Also, to hate a whole country and its people based on a hobby is ridiculous. Now the world hating us for basically screwing them over in almost every single trade agreements, political and environmental agreements, and our we-own-the-world attitude is another story....
I am proud to be an American but god-dang it, why are there so many ignorant americans around?
Not "my" right, I'm blue. Even we blues enjoy some good-natured Canuckia-ribbin', like Homer Simpson and Flanders.
OT: I'm not sure how much this is going to affect most people. How many people do you know have a card that suddenly dies after 3 years? More importantly, how many people do you know have the same card for 3 years?
OT: I'm not sure how much this is going to affect most people. How many people do you know have a card that suddenly dies after 3 years? More importantly, how many people do you know have the same card for 3 years?
Shieze said:Is this like your right to own a gun incase the king tries to steal your land?
He already did...You meant Bush right? Yep....already a done deal for him...Thank god Canada does not have a lot of oil or we would be up there to...um...liberate the people from the tyranny of (insert Canadian PM here)....It is true though that americans do make fun once in a while of canada, yours truly included. However, I would never go as far as "hate" someone...unless they are Bush disciples or neophytes.
Back to topic...Most cards that work for the first year for me has worked for awhile afterwards. I have owned both ATI and nVidia cards and thankfully none has died. Of course I only own these cards at most of 9months to 1 year before upgrading and giving it to someone I know...However, I have not been cursed yet by my friends so I assume they still enjoy the cards or upgraded themselves.
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When he said 'Canadians', im sure he was referring to ATi. People always say the canadian company, while nvidia is santa clara co. The nicknames go on and on. But if he meant the whole country, hes an idiot and should be treated as so.
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Yeah every day ATi sucks more. It's like watching a car crash. I'll probably buy some stock soon when they flip the whole damn car over. Seems the XT version comes "later" than the other R520's but will paper launch with them. They'll be back. Curse of the xbox that bit Nv too.
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I'm an American, and I will join you Canadians in your opinion of gianormous Baldwin suckage!Majin said:We suck.. oh yeah well you people have bad Actors!
We are so gonna bomb the Baldwin's!
But then again, you guys did give us Lover Boy.
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Oh hell no, In the 3 years I owned my BBA Radeon 9700PRO I had to rma it twice and another friend had to rma his 3 times. They fail way to often to only have a 1year warranty.
Due to their failures is one of the primary reasons I switched back to nVidia for this go around.
Due to their failures is one of the primary reasons I switched back to nVidia for this go around.
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Being canadian (proud canadian) i find it funny to joke about canada a lot too... however i also joke more about how ignorant or just plain stupid many americans are. this is reinforced by the various late night shows having americans prove they are dumb on tv by not recognizing common animals, political figures or knowing anything about geography.
Now everyone has a bad experience with one company or another at some point, it's almost unavoidable. However I believe ati is justified in reducing their warranty period to just one year. How long is sapphire's warranty? how about gigabyte? aren't they just 1 year? why should ATI have to warranty their products longer if they are the same design?
Can you buy a built by nvidia card with a 3 year warranty?
Now I know there are a few companies (vistek used to, bfg, evga etc...) who offer lifetime warranty but there aren't many who offer more than 1 year. I'm just saying that if offering a 1 year warranty as opposed to 3 can save some money for either me or ATI then go for it... I never keep a card that long anyway
Now everyone has a bad experience with one company or another at some point, it's almost unavoidable. However I believe ati is justified in reducing their warranty period to just one year. How long is sapphire's warranty? how about gigabyte? aren't they just 1 year? why should ATI have to warranty their products longer if they are the same design?
Can you buy a built by nvidia card with a 3 year warranty?
Now I know there are a few companies (vistek used to, bfg, evga etc...) who offer lifetime warranty but there aren't many who offer more than 1 year. I'm just saying that if offering a 1 year warranty as opposed to 3 can save some money for either me or ATI then go for it... I never keep a card that long anyway
Well now...that sounds trouble when we buy so much from you. May be Bush hasn't decided to "liberate" Canada yet is because he worries about the language barrier...you know having to train oil refinery workers to learn the new language...Canadian instead of american english (ie yo yo wadzup yawl....trust me, knowing him, he probably thinks canadian speak a different language).....
Personally, I would love to eventually marry a Canadian woman...that way, once I am old, I know I will be medically taken care of instead of having to bag groceries so that I will have some sort of medical insurance....or worse still, drive up to canada to get medicine cheaper and having to sneak back across the border so that border patrol would not confiscate the "contraban".
Personally, I would love to eventually marry a Canadian woman...that way, once I am old, I know I will be medically taken care of instead of having to bag groceries so that I will have some sort of medical insurance....or worse still, drive up to canada to get medicine cheaper and having to sneak back across the border so that border patrol would not confiscate the "contraban".
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This thread is awful. People are taking jokes seriously and other people are going way off topic.
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FIrst of all, I like Canada very much. It's one of the most beautiful places I've ever been. I lived there for a time. The people are nice and friendly and it's just a great place to live. Having said that, I'm a little upset at a few of the comments posted here by Canadians. This post was started as a flame on Canada. I don't support that and I certainly don't hate Canada. However, instead of the focus being on why we shouldn't hate Canada or on how ignorant the original poster is, you decided to turn it into America bashing.
One post hinted that Americans live in constant fear and another made reference as to how stupid the average American is. I certaintly don't live in fear and I'm not sure who does. Also, for your information, the average IQ in the U.S. is 98, compared to 97 in Canada (source: http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intelligence/t4.asp). But, hey, I could care less about that. Average IQ for a country is meaningless. What really matters is that many of the brightest minds across a range of fields are here in America. The top scientific minds in Canada can't hold a candle to the top minds in America.
Like many large, wealthy countries the U.S. has its share of problems. And maybe the average community in Canada is nicer, I don't know. But I do know, having lived in both countries, that the nicest communities in Canada can't touch the nicest communities in the U.S.
One post hinted that Americans live in constant fear and another made reference as to how stupid the average American is. I certaintly don't live in fear and I'm not sure who does. Also, for your information, the average IQ in the U.S. is 98, compared to 97 in Canada (source: http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intelligence/t4.asp). But, hey, I could care less about that. Average IQ for a country is meaningless. What really matters is that many of the brightest minds across a range of fields are here in America. The top scientific minds in Canada can't hold a candle to the top minds in America.
Like many large, wealthy countries the U.S. has its share of problems. And maybe the average community in Canada is nicer, I don't know. But I do know, having lived in both countries, that the nicest communities in Canada can't touch the nicest communities in the U.S.
SiliconValley said:
You seem to have lost your own point half way through your post.
You started out talking about how you were ashamed by people bashing The States in retaliation to the OP bashing Canada, then by the end of your post you make remarks that are some what negitive in your inflextions towards Canada.
Also the whole I.Q. thing doesn't work for you.
As the population of America is... what 300 mil and the population of Canada is 40 mil so wouldn't that make the states have a lower average when compared to Canada?
Also "The top scientific minds in Canada can't hold a candle to the top minds in America. " is just an ignorant comment.
I love the states but I love Canada also. So I have taken this whole thread as the OP being a dumb ass and causing more Anti Country posts to follow.
This thread is nothing good and it can become nothing good, I say LOCK IT NOW!
Sorry to go off topic, but an average is that and average. No matter how big or small a sample is (300million vs 40million) all the testing was done in a scientific process then the Average should stay the same.Majin said:
And anyone who thought I was anywhere near serious about my Canada sucks joke (in reference to some of the best shows out there) then
to you. I also don't take any of the Americans are idiots (1person is smart, 10 are stupid. a million are retarded and 300 Million is one step below lemmings) seriously. Either but lay off on political jokes as those get bad fast.
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Majin said:
You're right, it is the OP's fault, and this thread should be locked.
OK that comment about how the brightest mind is in the US is right and wrong. As a person in academics all of his life and having more friends in the higher education (profs, lawyers, MDs, you name it) than he can count, and in talking to all of them about the status of American higher ed, I can say that the reason why we have a higher percentage of the brightest mind is because, WE IMPORT THEM. Yes, it is true. I have worked with scientists from all over and the reason they are here is not because the people they get to work with are great but because it used to be that there was more funding. However, that trend is changing. Because of our fearless leader and his attitude toward scientists and educators, there is now a trend of people moving out to europe, asia, and yes, Canada (BTW McGill University is nothing to scoff at...it is world renown).
As we can see, lately research on stem-cell has been advancing on a rapid pace everywhere else except the US.
Anyways, we are way off topic but the attitude that US is the greatest and that everyone is second-rate is very myopic and false.
Joking comments like Canadians suck stem from somewhere, the mindset. It is the mindset that is backward and totally obsolete.
Oh yeah, most psychologists and psychiatrists no longer use the Intelligence Quotient (IQ) as an "smartness" indicator anymore. They now use Emotional Quotient (EQ). They have found the the administered IQ tests were skewed toward western (mostly american) culture and did not appropriately tests those that did not follow the american culture or its way of thinking. I can cite references if people like to read them.
As we can see, lately research on stem-cell has been advancing on a rapid pace everywhere else except the US.
Anyways, we are way off topic but the attitude that US is the greatest and that everyone is second-rate is very myopic and false.
Joking comments like Canadians suck stem from somewhere, the mindset. It is the mindset that is backward and totally obsolete.
Oh yeah, most psychologists and psychiatrists no longer use the Intelligence Quotient (IQ) as an "smartness" indicator anymore. They now use Emotional Quotient (EQ). They have found the the administered IQ tests were skewed toward western (mostly american) culture and did not appropriately tests those that did not follow the american culture or its way of thinking. I can cite references if people like to read them.
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Majin said:
The fact that the U.S. has more people says nothing about the AVERAGE. I'm not sure you're understanding what the term average is meant to mean here. As for my comments toward Canada, I was not intending to bash Canada at all. I was merely trying to point out that the average American and the average Canadian have a virtually idential IQ. As for my comment about the top minds being in America, I stand by it. Take a look at nobel prize winners, even after adjusting for population differences and you'll see. Also, many of the technologies and leading scientific breakthroughs were born in America (though certainly not all). One of which we're using right now to have this dicussion.
SiliconValley said:
I'll agree with you on average IQ. I spend half my time in Canada and the other half in the US. We both have dumb people
Growing up I always wanted to move to the states. Less taxes. Cheaper electronics. Cheaper cars... I've been traveling quite a bit lately and I'm not sure if I would move anymore. People are very friendly here. Something I took for granted growing up. And it's something I would miss greatly.
Violence is almost non existant here. I've never feared for my life. Or looked behind my shoulder at night. I don't lock my door and I'm not worried if my stuff will be there when I get home. How many people can say that.
Do these communites exist in the states, probably. But I would guess in small numbers. I do know there's no shortage of them up here.
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btf said:
As much as I hate to steer this thread more off topic, that is the reason I want to raise my future family outside of the United States. Especially if we have another president and cabinet like we do now.
btf said:I'll agree with you on average IQ. I spend half my time in Canada and the other half in the US. We both have dumb people
Growing up I always wanted to move to the states. Less taxes. Cheaper electronics. Cheaper cars... I've been traveling quite a bit lately and I'm not sure if I would move anymore. People are very friendly here. Something I took for granted growing up. And it's something I would miss greatly.
Violence is almost non existant here. I've never feared for my life. Or looked behind my shoulder at night. I don't lock my door and I'm not worried if my stuff will be there when I get home. How many people can say that.
Do these communites exist in the states, probably. But I would guess in small numbers. I do know there's no shortage of them up here.
Toronto is starting to become like Detroit as far as gang wars are going.
But your right Canada's overall Muders in a year are still lover than the murders in some cities in the states. Thats scary!
But There are many safe places to live in the states!
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Why do people hate canadians? It's not like they killed your familiy.
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ChronicTrees said:
You lock your doors at night because of Bush? Or is Bush responsible for violent crime? I'm not sure what you're getting at here, and I'm not sure political comments have a place in this thread...
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Ah sh*t! I knew it! just kiddin
just kiddin Oh you did NOT just say that...Shieze said:Is this like your right to own a gun incase the king tries to steal your land?
It's not in case the king tries to steal our land. It's in case a president tries to turn our countrie into a communism. Darned commies
The People at the start of this thread were way way too angry. I couldnt live my life if I were not allowed to make the slightlest jokes about any person, place, or thing.
I bash America and the rest of the world Equally.
But anywho, as much as I think ATi made a bad move you have to think about it. Its hard for a company like ATi to make their own cards sell them and still give enough to everyother manufactuer out their while trying to stay competitive with companies like Saphire and Power Colour. Look at Nvidia, they dont make their own cards at all and my guess is once youve established yourself its more financialy sound.
Just want to put that I would never claim to be either Republican or Democrat and that I am a Moderate that likes Bush.
I bash America and the rest of the world Equally.
But anywho, as much as I think ATi made a bad move you have to think about it. Its hard for a company like ATi to make their own cards sell them and still give enough to everyother manufactuer out their while trying to stay competitive with companies like Saphire and Power Colour. Look at Nvidia, they dont make their own cards at all and my guess is once youve established yourself its more financialy sound.
Just want to put that I would never claim to be either Republican or Democrat and that I am a Moderate that likes Bush.
{NG}Fidel said:
First off, anyone who likes bush is NOT moderate...
Second off...I don't think it has anything to do with being established...ati has been established for quite some time...I think it's just a better business model, and ATi is slowly shifting towards having all their boards made by third parties...
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