Best radiator?

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Since certain parties like to say that the "BEST" anything is strictly based on performance I would like to suggest that this Aqua Computer Airplex Evo 1800 radiator is unequivocably

thee BEST!​

It works better than any radiator on the market even without any fans. And it will take up to fifteen (15) 120mm fans :eek:


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i'd imagine if you laid that case on its side, it would hover above the ground with all 15 fans in place.
 
Elysian said:
i'd imagine if you laid that case on its side, it would hover above the ground with all 15 fans in place.
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I always keep thinking of a small hurricane in the room with all the fans going. ;) I wonder how much power it takes to run that beast. :eek:
 
diredesire said:
i wonder what kind of pump is going to move water through THAT beast...
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Well believe it or not, most people have been using an Aquastream pump.
 
That thing has to be the most restrictive thing I've ever seen with alll those feet of small small tubing. And the same goes for the restrictive air flow with the closely packed cooling fins, no room for air to go through.................... :D Just MHO though............... :eek:
 
I like weapons monster core better, much more practical and probably gets equal performance in a much smaller footprint.

Isn't it you AC people who is always saying that bigger doesn't mean better?
 
Well you know that little rating system on WatercoolPlanet? It has been up at the top for over a year in both active and passive cooling IIRC. Being so restrictive it just amazes me that the weak ass Aquastream pump seems to do so well with it. Hmmm....maybe there is something to all this mating the equipment to the flow, heh? I'm sure it cools a LOT better than a Bonneville heater core.
 
Well such can be rather debatable.

Sure, the radiator is capable of removing copious quantities of heat, but need to look at the alternatives. With the newer breed of 120.3 rads coming out, achieving 0.02C/W is near quiet is not that difficult. So if we have some 15x fan radiator improving water temps by a further 1C, but flow rates are so low due to the radiator's flow resistance that the waterblocks are all perfoming 2C worse, then we've taken a step backwards, have we not?

What we want is a radiator that provides excellent cooling power with a low hydraulic power cost.
 
Top Nurse said:
Well you know that little rating system on WatercoolPlanet? It has been up at the top for over a year in both active and passive cooling IIRC. Being so restrictive it just amazes me that the weak ass Aquastream pump seems to do so well with it. Hmmm....maybe there is something to all this mating the equipment to the flow, heh? I'm sure it cools a LOT better than a Bonneville heater core.
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We have already debated watercoolplanets rankings, and the consensus is that their tests are highly unscientific and not to be trusted.
 
Cathar said:
Well such can be rather debatable.

Sure, the radiator is capable of removing copious quantities of heat, but need to look at the alternatives. With the newer breed of 120.3 rads coming out, achieving 0.02C/W is near quiet is not that difficult. So if we have some 15x fan radiator improving water temps by a further 1C, but flow rates are so low due to the radiator's flow resistance that the waterblocks are all perfoming 2C worse, then we've taken a step backwards, have we not?

What we want is a radiator that provides excellent cooling power with a low hydraulic power cost.
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Thank You................ :D
 
Elysian said:
i'd imagine if you laid that case on its side, it would hover above the ground with all 15 fans in place.
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you've never played with delta FFB series fans, have you?
 
DFI Daishi said:
you've never played with delta FFB series fans, have you?
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not a good time... play = death.

no, seriously..

put fan grills on for the sake of your children and small pets :p
 
DFI Daishi said:
you've never played with delta FFB series fans, have you?
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Pfah. FFB's are for pansies. It's with the TFB's that you need to buckle yourself into the concrete anchored safety seat before switching them on.

235CFM from a 12cm fan (TFB1212UHE). 39W power draw too. Works out to ~57kph or 35mph air velocities through the fan body orifice. I have one - it hovers even at 5v, let alone 12v.
 
diredesire said:
not a good time... play = death.

no, seriously..

put fan grills on for the sake of your children and small pets :p
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heh no i haven't played with the delta ffb fans, but i do have a radio shack 120mm thats a finger chopper offer... if you don't have a grill on it, beware, cause if you get your finger in there, its not going to stop :(
 
Cathar said:
Pfah. FFB's are for pansies. It's with the TFB's that you need to buckle yourself into the concrete anchored safety seat before switching them on.

235CFM from a 12cm fan (TFB1212UHE). 39W power draw too. Works out to ~57kph or 35mph air velocities through the fan body orifice. I have one - it hovers even at 5v, let alone 12v.
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That is fricken awesome :) Someone should build a mini-itx computer that hovers using a couple of those fans :p
 
Cathar said:
Well such can be rather debatable.

Sure, the radiator is capable of removing copious quantities of heat, but need to look at the alternatives. With the newer breed of 120.3 rads coming out, achieving 0.02C/W is near quiet is not that difficult. So if we have some 15x fan radiator improving water temps by a further 1C, but flow rates are so low due to the radiator's flow resistance that the waterblocks are all perfoming 2C worse, then we've taken a step backwards, have we not?

What we want is a radiator that provides excellent cooling power with a low hydraulic power cost.
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Do you have any more information on the new 120.3 rads? It would be awesome to see a PA160 (ie., single pass) rad in a 120.3 foot print.
 
ShoNuff said:
Do you have any more information on the new 120.3 rads? It would be awesome to see a PA160 (ie., single pass) rad in a 120.3 foot print.
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The PA160 is good only partially because it is single-pass. Single-pass just works well for that radiator, but it is not a "good thing" for all scenarios, and especially not for dual-core radiators.

Thermochill have just announced the new PA120.3 radiators and they should be hitting the market real soon.
 
The mass amount of restriction created by using multi-pass radiators is exactly why I started shopping at NAPA auto parts for heatercores. The heatercore from a '76 Chevy Caprice is one bad beast. It fits 2x120mm fans, & it's 2" thick. I doubt that very many comercialy labeled "PC water-cooling radiators" will even come close to it in performance.
 
The '76 Chevy Caprice (2-199 core) and the '77 Bonneville (2.302) are pretty cloe to the same heater core, the Bonneville is just a tad longer and the Caprice core is a tad wider.............. :D
Core size without end tanks................. :cool:
Caprice: 9.5" x 6.125"
Bonneville 10.75" x 5.625"
 
Cathar said:
Pfah. FFB's are for pansies. It's with the TFB's that you need to buckle yourself into the concrete anchored safety seat before switching them on.

235CFM from a 12cm fan (TFB1212UHE). 39W power draw too. Works out to ~57kph or 35mph air velocities through the fan body orifice. I have one - it hovers even at 5v, let alone 12v.
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i moved to watercooling and less ear destroying fans before the TFB's were released.

it is entertaining playing air hockey across the floor with FFB0812EHE's all the same. the 92 mm fans, and i suspect the 120 mm fans as well are too heavy to easily use for that application. :)
 
Elysian said:
heh no i haven't played with the delta ffb fans, but i do have a radio shack 120mm thats a finger chopper offer... if you don't have a grill on it, beware, cause if you get your finger in there, its not going to stop :(
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and now to my actual point: you can't hover a gortesque mass of metal like that using computer case fans.

that much metal tubing, and that much fin material........it's going to crush any fans unfortuate enough to be caught underneath it.
 
That radiator is certainly not the best, that honor goes to a Weapon modded Monstercore
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:D
 
Bio-Hazard said:
Yeppers, I'd give that one the top vote also........ :D And next in line would be this radiator from Voyeur Mods

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And when will we be adding the “Hover Craft” sub forum? ;) :D
 
HiJon89 said:
That radiator is certainly not the best, that honor goes to a Weapon modded Monstercore
:D
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sigh, i give up, apparently nobody listens to me anymore
 
Cathar said:
The PA160 is good only partially because it is single-pass. Single-pass just works well for that radiator, but it is not a "good thing" for all scenarios, and especially not for dual-core radiators.

Thermochill have just announced the new PA120.3 radiators and they should be hitting the market real soon.
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i have one pa160 an i really like it....using a "medium" panaflo@5v keeps my temps at better temps than my dual use to, not by much something like 1c or 2c on same ambient temps, nothing scientific.but i eliminated one more fan....
 
thelostrican said:
i have one pa160 an i really like it....using a "medium" panaflo@5v keeps my temps at better temps than my dual use to, not by much something like 1c or 2c on same ambient temps, nothing scientific.but i eliminated one more fan....
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Indeed - that's the whole purpose of the PA160 radiator. Low noise efficiency - but it still works very well at higher air-flows too.

The PA120's include the same thinking/design process as went into the PA160.
 
Comedian said:
Where can you buy one of those beasts? Thats just too damn sweet!
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You have to PM Weapon on XtremeSystems.org, he custom makes them, a Monstercore w/ his custom shroud and 5/8" fittings and painted black will run you $150 + shipping.
 
Cathar, do you know of any review site that has the PA160 pitted against BIX's, Pro's, heatercores, etc.? Is it really true that it cools better than a dual 120 rad?
 
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