R520 to be 16 pipe, 700mHz core???

why would ATI delay the R520 by that much just to make a card that is just a bit faster then x800 series. The info is plain worng,
 
Who cares STOP SPECULATING, ati is lanching something today, and it might. probbly is the r520, and if not its crossfire, but hold your breaths because the r520 is FINALLY being released soon (hopefully today, Aug 26 Friday) and its either gonna blow our socks off, be around nvidia speed, or completely suck, now with the annoucement a few hours a way calm down before you guys all hyper-ventilate, jizz on your selfs and die.

Aug 26, 2005 is gonna be historical for ATi, because either there gonna release a KICK ASS video card OR produce another FX seris DISASTER, so hold on to your drinks because I'm drunk and todays gonna be a fing fun ride, lets hope ATi can release an Uber Kicka Assing card that can kick, mine, all the ati fan BOys to the moon, and nvidia to the trashbin!

//Elomi'Xed
 
Elimi'Xed said:
Who cares STOP SPECULATING, ati is lanching something today, and it might. probbly is the r520, and if not its crossfire, but hold your breaths because the r520 is FINALLY being released soon (hopefully today, Aug 26 Friday) and its either gonna blow our socks off, be around nvidia speed, or completely suck, now with the annoucement a few hours a way calm down before you guys all hyper-ventilate, jizz on your selfs and die.

Aug 26, 2005 is gonna be historical for ATi, because either there gonna release a KICK ASS video card OR produce another FX seris DISASTER, so hold on to your drinks because I'm drunk and todays gonna be a fing fun ride, lets hope ATi can release an Uber Kicka Assing card that can kick, mine, all the ati fan BOys to the moon, and nvidia to the trashbin!

//Elomi'Xed
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R520 is most definitely not being launched today. Didn't you see the roadmap for the R520 release on Anandtech?
 
Theres a huge lanch event in austrilla today, even if they don't HARD lanch it like nvdia did, they are 100% lanching something today, weither it be the r520 or crossfire, but ther event seems too big for JUST crossfire

//Elimujp;Zed
 
Looks like late oct to november is when ATI will release anything significant. Shesh...may be they are not releasing the r520 because first, they had problem with releasing on time to compete with the 7800. Once the 7800 came out, they realized that their r520 was not going to be able to compete, so, back to the drawing board they went to try to get an improvement....They are playing catch up at this point...just an opinion. Regardless, I was waiting for ATI, now, I will bite the bullet and overhaul my AGP intel system to a pcie system with new mb, cpu, and video card....
 
Cypher19 said:
Personally, I think all of you guys should f***ing wake up. More pipes doesn't necessarily mean more performance, because the internal architecture of a pixel pipe can vary greatly. What if ATi has put like 4 ALUs and 2 texture units into one pipe in addition to souping up the core? What if they have some new revolutionary architecture that will send the performance of a single pipe through the roof?

In the near future, I think virtually all specs about video cards like pipes and clock speeds will mean next to nil when doing comparisons between different companies or even different models of cards. Don't go crying about the possibility of it being an OCed X850 until we get some hard performance numbers in either synthetic benches or games.
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4 alus and 2 tmu's would make producing chip like the r520 nearly impossible due to transitor desinty. It's pretty certain the r520 is a 16, 1, 1,1 chip. the r580 should be a 16 pipe chip with 3 tmu's per pipe a 16x3 core. Hopefully the mhz can overcome the raw calculation power of the g70's 24 pipe 2 alu's per pipe config.
 
SatinSpiral said:
More fuel for the rumour mill, from GD Hardware's coverage of IDF :

http://www.gdhardware.com/events/idf/fall_2005/003.htm

"We've met with several industry insiders who claim that the R520 is nothing more than a 16 pixel pipeline GPU that'll be clocked at 700MHz and that NVIDIA has a 32-pipe solution its waiting to pull the trigger on the day after ATI's announcement. Either way, we sure hope neither company gets caught up into a paper-launch. "

Discuss.

:cool:

EDIT: Yes, we've all heard this speculation before, but this time it's coming from someone other than the Inq or X-Bit.
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Did you see that cool remote control car computer....
 
Elimi'Xed said:
Theres a huge lanch event in austrilla today, even if they don't HARD lanch it like nvdia did, they are 100% lanching something today, weither it be the r520 or crossfire, but ther event seems too big for JUST crossfire

//Elimujp;Zed
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Seems very odd that ATI would reveal the r520 in Australia, fuckall interesting ever happens here, and computer gaming is nowhere near as popular as in the US or somewhere like South Korea. Anyways its too bad I dont live in Sydney so that I could go and check it out.

Whats even stranger is that this rumoured unvailing is occurring at the Olympic Park which is also hosting a gardening expo at the same time. Just does not make sense IMO, you would think that they would do something like this at a computer or technology expo
 
razor1 said:
4 alus and 2 tmu's would make producing chip like the r520 nearly impossible due to transitor desinty. It's pretty certain the r520 is a 16, 1, 1,1 chip. the r580 should be a 16 pipe chip with 3 tmu's per pipe a 16x3 core. Hopefully the mhz can overcome the raw calculation power of the g70's 24 pipe 2 alu's per pipe config.
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Not only that but could you imagine the driver headache to optimize for a quad-issue pipeline - assuming each pipe/quad is still SIMD of course.
 
wish id rememebred the URL but earlier this week read that the r520 pipelines debate cant be compared with nvidia as apples for apples, new ati architecture was something like 16 nvidia pipes equates to 20 ati and 24 would equate to 30, sounds crap i know but swear i read this (and not on the inquirer lol)
have to wait an see
 
eagled said:
wish id rememebred the URL but earlier this week read that the r520 pipelines debate cant be compared with nvidia as apples for apples, new ati architecture was something like 16 nvidia pipes equates to 20 ati and 24 would equate to 30, sounds crap i know but swear i read this (and not on the inquirer lol)
have to wait an see
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I read that too, however NVIDIA also increased the efficency of their pipes in the 7800GTX, so 24 GTX pipes also equate to 30 6800 pipes. So, ATI had better increase the efficency of their pipes, or they might be going with the equivalent of 16 pipes vs 30 pipes.
 
Ya know, I'm rooting for ATi. But damn, they're loosing a lot of high end ground the more they delay. They could at least bring out crossfire. Competition is good, so start competing, ATi!

IMO, there is nothing better than ATi and nVidia going back and forth each generation. Keeps an even playingfield.
 
air2k5 said:
why would ATI delay the R520 by that much just to make a card that is just a bit faster then x800 series. The info is plain worng,
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And all the other infomation about the R520 has been right on..........................
 
Erasmus354 said:
Question : When was the last time a refresh part had more pipelines than the part it was refreshing? Did the 9800XT have more pipelines than the 9800PRO? Did the 5900 have more pipelines than the 5800? Did the X850 have more pipelines than the X800?

So why then are there all these rumors of nvidia having a refresh part waiting in the wings with more pipelines than the part it is supposedly based upon? Besides the fact that the 7800 core has to my knowledge only 24 pipelines it would require a completely different core rather than a slightlty optimized core for nVidia to have this mythical 32 pipeline refresh card. It is much more likely this 7800U that is rumored is simply a higher clocked version of the 7800GTX.
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Who said it was a refresh. For all we know the 7800Ultra has been produced for the longest time and we are all buying broken Ultras, Hell they might be stockpiling the true 32 pipes so they can undercut ATI on them when they do finally sell them.
 
Topweasel said:
Hell they might be stockpiling the true 32 pipes so they can undercut ATI on them when they do finally sell them.
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Then you're setting yourself up to be disappointed when they don't do that. People said they were stockpiling faster cards in every generation past the NV30, and they never did. Doing this would just waste money, not make it
 
CMAN said:
And all the other infomation about the R520 has been right on..........................
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hahhaha sorry what do we know is right on? All I have read has been speculation..........first r520 was a 32 pipelined card then 24 now 16...........the only thing we know that is right is it hasnt been released no offical specs are out...............

Also what would you all rather want an R520 that runs hot, or has supply/demand problems, or an R520 that COULD run like a dream and in ready supply?? Remember when Nvidia released SLI there were issues with it, its was buggy and after several driver releases they improved it, ATI being late to the game cannot have those issues, as people would compare the mature SLI to the immature Crossfire............that would equate to ATI getting burned in reviews........and in the pocket............. there are people who will always buy the latest and greatest.........thier e-penis demands it, so I am assuming ATI is simply ironing out issues...............but hey I could be wrong..........but we all saw what happened to Intel after they rushed thier dual cores.............
 
Cross post from [H]ard ATI Forum that I posted.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?p=551677#post551677


"Hi Guys,
Just came back from the Australia launch event.

They didn't launch or talk much about R520, but instead 'launched' Crossfire locally.

But they did have a working next gen GPU at the scene and it'll be safe to assume it to be the R520. It was doing realtime decoding of H.264.

From the answers I got, crossfire should ship within the month and next gen will be launched within 50-60 days. Performance is higher than 7800, and the ultra, should it ever come to it.

Other than that, no tech details were divulged."

Gonna have to wait longer. Personally, I would just get the 7800GT or GTX If I needed a card today. They have prolonged this to Boring status. :(
 
So crossfire in oct and r520 (maybe) at least november....if we are lucky....oh well...may be if I don't ski a few weekends, I will get my self a new system upgrade for xmas (with hopefully lower prices from actual ati launches and competition).
 
the GTX delivers exactly what I have been looking for . I cant believe i am saying this but ,,,,,i am so satisfied that I am actually building a gaming rig for my kid rather than allocate addtional funds to upgrades for me.
 
5150Joker said:
A card with the fastest GDDR 3 modules and 512 bit bus wouldn't be commercially feasible due to cost; they don't have cheap enough modules out there to take advantage of a 512 bit bus without overpricing the card. More than likely they'd have to use a lot slower ram to make up for the high cost of the PCB + chip. People are speculating about a 384 bit bus but I doubt that will happen too. More than likely it's a 256 bit memory bus with 6 quads and 4 pipes each - I doubt their flagship chip will be 16 pipes like speculated.
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What if they developed a way to make this feasible? Still, ATI has been very, very hush hush about this. We just don't know at this point. They could be saying nothing because they have something awesome or it could be because they have nothing. I just hope it's not ATI's FX series.
 
16 pipes vs 32 or 24 is the least of ATI's problems. Seems the delay of the R520, it's production problems, and the company's less-than-stellar earnings have spawned at least 6 class action lawsuits on behalf of shareholders who beleive the company has been irresponsible in many areas.............................


The complaint charges ATI, Kwok Yuen Ho, David E. Orton and Patrick G. Crowley with violations of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. More specifically, the Complaint alleges that the Company failed to disclose and misrepresented the following material adverse facts which were known to defendants or recklessly disregarded by them: (1) that the Company substantially relied on its high-end offerings to fund other parts of its business; (2) that the Company's high-end offerings failed to offset the negative impact of weak gross margins and declining average sales prices in consumer electronics; (3) that the Company, due to production and design issues, was late to the market with its R520 chip, thereby losing market share to both Nvidia Corp. and Intel Corp. which caused downward pricing pressure for ATI; (4) that the Company's inventory levels were at a historic high, while current sales levels were insufficient to support the existing cost base; and (5) that the defendants' positive statements about the Company's progress and future growth lacked in all reasonable basis
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The complaint charges ATI Technologies, Kwok Yuen Ho, David E. Orton and Patrick G. Crowley with violations of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. More specifically, the Complaint alleges that the Company failed to disclose and misrepresented the following material adverse facts: (a) the Company was selling desktop and notebook products with lower and lower profit margins; (b) ATI's gross margins were being weakened by high sales of its IGP (integrated graphics processor) products, which have profit margins well below the corporate average; (c) the Company was earning lower-than-anticipated yields on certain products due to operational issues in its own packaging and test areas of its manufacturing process; (d) the Company was experiencing production/design/yield issues with its R520 chip, the release of which was six months behind schedule; (e) the Company was losing market share to arch-rivals Nvidia Corp. and Intel Corp. causing downward pressure on ATI's prices; (f) ATI lost market share to Nvidia in the enthusiast and mainstream markets following the launch of Nvidia's SLI (scalable link interface) chipset in early 2005. The SLI chipset enables the use of two graphics cards instead of one in a desktop computer, allowing desktop users to upgrade graphics at cheaper prices, a product ATI will not have on the market until early August 2005; (g) ATI lost market share to Intel in the notebook computer market, traditionally an area of strength for ATI, because as would later be revealed, Intel's Alviso chipset offers ``more than-adequate'' graphics performance for many notebook computer users; and (h) despite defendants' previous statements to the contrary, a fire at one of the Company's primary suppliers in Taiwan was preventing the Company from receiving necessary supplies
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http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ATYT
 
I'll just wait till it comes out. All this speculation is giving me a headache.
 
Scroatdog said:
16 pipes vs 32 or 24 is the least of ATI's problems. Seems the delay of the R520, it's production problems, and the company's less-than-stellar earnings have spawned at least 6 class action lawsuits on behalf of shareholders who beleive the company has been irresponsible in many areas.............................






http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ATYT
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That's smart. Sue a company that you own stock in. :rolleyes: ATI should just come out an announce what it's going to be.
 
postalcop said:
I'll just wait till it comes out. All this speculation is giving me a headache.
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The problem is we have been waiting for months and are still wondering where it is :).
 
Obi_Kwiet said:
That's smart. Sue a company that you own stock in. :rolleyes: ATI should just come out an announce what it's going to be.
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don't comment on shit you don't know about. if you owned 100,000+ shares of ATi and the directors and officers of the company intentionally misrepresented future earnings and product releases, then your shares are going to go down the crapper. You have every right to sue them for causing the value of your stock to decrease.
 
sativa said:
don't comment on shit you don't know about. if you owned 100,000+ shares of ATi and the directors and officers of the company intentionally misrepresented future earnings and product releases, then your shares are going to go down the crapper. You have every right to sue them for causing the value of your stock to decrease.
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Beat me to it :D
 
Also consider the fact that it is the misrepresentation that probably caused some of the shareholders to buy or hold instead of sell. Might as well try to recoup some of your hard earned money.
 
Either ATi didn't know anything about the 7800GTX and are now forced to re-create a new videocard since they knew that the one they had at the time of the 7800 couldn't match. Or, they truely are going to release a 512bit card that should own the 7800GTX. Then again there is this rumored 7800U which is rumored to have 32pipes and how will that compare with the R520.

I personally don't care right now since im gonna wait for the R520 to be out before i make my decision of upgrading and i really dont care since my rig is fine as it is.

We can just keep guessing and guessing but we wont know until it actully comes out.
 
magnuspah said:
Also consider the fact that it is the misrepresentation that probably caused some of the shareholders to buy or hold instead of sell. Might as well try to recoup some of your hard earned money.
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also, if the owner of the stock is a publically held company or mutual fund, hedge fund, etc... the director of those funds or companies has a legal and ethical obligation to recover their shareholders funds from ATi (assuming ATi commited securities violations, which is unproven at this point)...

/end threadjack
 
SnakEyez187 said:
Then you're setting yourself up to be disappointed when they don't do that. People said they were stockpiling faster cards in every generation past the NV30, and they never did. Doing this would just waste money, not make it
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Disapointed No, Infact besides another 7800GTX to SLI, I personally don't see myself purchasing another Ultra High end gfx card for at least 2 yrs. Chances are I am not correct anyways because you would think that Riva Tuner would at least see the pipelines if that was the case. But still Who knows Nivdia can be ultra silent since the R520 is still almost a quarter off and people wanting the fastest have to purchase from them.
 
The lawsuits will be thrown out, the lawyers know this of course but they will get there fees which is all they care about. Wouldnt it be a nice world if we could buy stock and never have to worry about it going fown from delays, aggressive competition pricing, fires, etc.
 
killerD said:
The lawsuits will be thrown out, the lawyers know this of course but they will get there fees which is all they care about. Wouldnt it be a nice world if we could buy stock and never have to worry about it going fown from delays, aggressive competition pricing, fires, etc.
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Actually after Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, etc. I see this lawsuit going through. They have a valid case.

Anyways, back on topic. R520 may have 16 Pipes. It seems like I read a while back that the R520 is not going to be a GTX killer, the R580 is supposed to contend on that level.

As for me I won't be buying a new card until late next year, so I can sit in the crowd, eat popcorn, and watch the show. :D
 
PRIME1 said:
As for me I won't be buying a new card until late next year, so I can sit in the crowd, eat popcorn, and watch the show. :D
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Kinda same here except more like november/december 2005. It ought to be quite a show!
 
Bulletproof said:
aren't you guys forgetting about crossfire, even if R520 is an "underperformer", crossfire is supposed to be able to work on any game and does not need custom drivers or any customization for it to be enabled on any game.
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Can you give a link? All the articles i've read on crossfire says otherwise.

air2k5 said:
why would ATI delay the R520 by that much just to make a card that is just a bit faster then x800 series. The info is plain worng,
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Unlike previous incarnations, the R520 is a new core, on a new manufacturing process. It's several times more complicated than any other chip they've developed in the last decade.
 
magnuspah said:
Also consider the fact that it is the misrepresentation that probably caused some of the shareholders to buy or hold instead of sell. Might as well try to recoup some of your hard earned money.
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They will have a better chance by going after the brokers for the money
 
sativa said:
don't comment on shit you don't know about. if you owned 100,000+ shares of ATi and the directors and officers of the company intentionally misrepresented future earnings and product releases, then your shares are going to go down the crapper. You have every right to sue them for causing the value of your stock to decrease.
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Yeah I know. But if you sue them when they haven't really done anything dishonest will only make your stocks go down, and you'll probably loose the suit. I doubt they have a chance of winning.
 
Whatever it contains inside, Who cares... but i will say one thing.

For as long as its taking them to make it and stuff, it better fucking rock....
 
IMO, right now I think there's a 75% chance that ATI isn't saying anything about r520 because it isn't faster than the 7800GTX or Ultra, and a 25% chance that they aren't saying anything because it has the 512-bit bus and they want to suprise NVIDIA with a hard-launch. I still think they should release some info though, even if it was ATI's FX series, I think people would be less upset with them if they just told us that now than if they kept us waiting for another 3 months for a card that isn't half as good as we think it will be.


Oh, and if NVIDIA had stockpiled faster cards they would be selling them right now, they would be losing money if they were producing cards but not selling them, and they'd be taking a very big risk by assuming it will beat the r520 by enough that the sales will make up for the losses. NVIDIA would not take that risk, they are making loads of money now with the 7800's and they should be satisfied enough that they wouldn't gamble on an ultra version.
 
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