what are you looking for in the next os longhorn?

I'm looking forward to 3D desktops. Once you've used one for a bit you'll wonder how you've lived without one. Going to that was like going from DOS straight to Windows2K or XP. Forget the speedbump that was Windows 3.1--going 3D is really that much of a leap forward in how you'll use your computer (comparatively speaking).
 
BobSutan said:
I'm looking forward to 3D desktops. Once you've used one for a bit you'll wonder how you've lived without one. Going to that was like going from DOS straight to Windows2K or XP. Forget the speedbump that was Windows 3.1--going 3D is really that much of a leap forward in how you'll use your computer (comparatively speaking).
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Lol, Im famous, I never knew I was in anybodys sig. I feel special in a very non-homosexual way when I think about you Bob. You are my sunshine, seriously.
 
Tengis said:
Lol, Im famous, I never knew I was in anybodys sig. I feel special in a very non-homosexual way when I think about you Bob. You are my sunshine, seriously.
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Been there for quite a while too, I remember seeing that off and on for ages.
 
Ranma_Sao said:
You do understand 1 and 2 are completely impossible goals to merge right?
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in general? not necessarily. in terms of Microsoft? probably.


abudhu said:
...Look at any Major Linux Distro (SuSE, Mandrive) they are miles ahead of Microsoft in this department...
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miles? shit man, try freakin' light years! ;)
 
Once in a while(every quater) Longhorn CD that can be mailed for free with all the updates for teh 56k users....

btw i'm a DSL user and I hate updating.....
 
xXaNaXx said:
in general? not necessarily. in terms of Microsoft? probably.




miles? shit man, try freakin' light years! ;)
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If you say so, I think linux has a long ways to go. (But some would say I'm biased)

As to wisecrack #1, prove me wrong. Write code that handles every exception thrown to it, and prove to me it takes less lines. ;)
 
Ranma_Sao said:
If you say so, I think linux has a long ways to go. (But some would say I'm biased)
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i'm not talking about general usability, i was referring to the installation portion, just as abudhu was. yes, general usability after it is installed still has a way to go before it's as user-friendly as Windows is, but the installer (at least as far as my copy of SuSE Pro 9.2 is concerned) is wayyyyyyy better than the Windows installer.


Ranma_Sao said:
As to wisecrack #1, prove me wrong. Write code that handles every exception thrown to it, and prove to me it takes less lines. ;)
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when i said not necessarily, i wasn't talking about just operating systems, i was talking about programs in general. just because a program has more lines of code, doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a more stable program. in fact, it could be argued that programs that contain an extremely high number of lines of code has potentially more chances to become unstable, as there are more chances to make a simple mistake.

i'm not a coder personally (i've only really dabbled in basic html), but i don't really have to be. it all boils down to probability. if you have one program that contains 10,000 lines of code, and another that contains 1,000,000 lines of code, which one of those programs has the higher probability of containing an error?

that's all i was getting at with my statement, no wisecrack was intended..... ;)
 
Ranma_Sao said:
If you say so, I think linux has a long ways to go. (But some would say I'm biased)
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Yeah, I was talking in terms of the installer as well. So much simplier. Faster too.
 
How about little games to play during installing, like with The Sims 2? :p
 
Earp said:
Have you considered setting up a WSUS server? It's free from MS, but I think you need a Win2k or Win2k3 server for it. Granted, it's more of an enterprise tool, but if you have several machines, the updates are downloaded to the server, and can be downloaded to client pcs from there. Great for having your updates downloaded already when building new machines/reformatting.
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it does require you to run IIS...
 
xXaNaXx said:
i'm not a coder personally (i've only really dabbled in basic html), but i don't really have to be. it all boils down to probability. if you have one program that contains 10,000 lines of code, and another that contains 1,000,000 lines of code, which one of those programs has the higher probability of containing an error?
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Your inexperience shows your lack of knowledge of good programming habits. I'd turn your question around and ask you "Which program has the higher probability of not handling errors or problems gracefully? :p "

It's not just about getting the program to work, its also about making sure that when errors or problems happen, they will be handled gracefully and not cause the program or system to crash.
 
Depends on the complexity of the program and what you are trying to accomplish with it.
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There is a program that does exactly what it is supposed to do, but it is extremely basic. Whenever you go past this level of programming errors arise as well as different ways to solve the problem. This is where programming gets sticky. Like any project, Microsoft can't just wave their magic "make this program better and have no errors" wand and instantly pull a perfect operating system out of their proverbial ass.
 
compslckr said:
Like any project, Microsoft can't just wave their magic "make this program better and have no errors" wand and instantly pull a perfect operating system out of their proverbial ass.
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Can you say "sig material!"? :D
 
compslckr said:
There is a program that does exactly what it is supposed to do, but it is extremely basic. Whenever you go past this level of programming errors arise.
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Another point: it's not just levels of programming.

What do I mean? Your example never states the program objective. If I want a calculator, then even with no syntactic or semantic errors, your program is a complete flop. Expand this to an OS like Windows that's attempting to balance ease-of-use, versatility, and security. There's no magical function that says "This point --> <-- is optimal for all 3 functions independently" -- it's always a tradeoff.
 
Even if a program had no errors, you can't guard against faulty hardware. If there's a small part of a memory chip that's bad, the software might start crashing at seemingly random times. And the user will blame the software.
 
compslckr said:
rolo said:
How about little games to play during installing, like with The Sims 2? :p
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great idea :)
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Install should take < 10 minutes, do you want to play connect 4 or something? Checkers might take too long. :p
 
A perfectly normal, compatible ssh server. (A client would work fine, as well.)
OpenSSH should be portable. ;)

If the monad shell is going to be as useful as they say, ssh would be a good way to complement it.
 
lol, i hope Billy is readon this, especially the default billy wallpaper bit :p
 
One of my biggest gripes is the file copy estimator. You move a folder
"18 minutes left"

5 seconds later
"30 seconds left"

5 seconds later
"129384 minutes remaining"

5 seconds later
Done

Grrr.. :mad:

BETTER BSODs !!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not a programmer, never will be. I am a hardware tech. I don't give a damn about dump files and if there's been an error at (0x0000034, 0x000034 blah blah). I want the OS to say "RAM fucked some shit up so I'm rebooting."
That would make life soo much nicer.
 
Another useful feature I'd appreciate it if they added is a customisable load/save dialog, ala KDE.

Windows vs KDE.

While they're at it, a "small icons"-mode for those shortcuts (like seen in the KDE screenshot) would be nice as well.
 
HHunt said:
Another useful feature I'd appreciate it if they added is a customisable load/save dialog, ala KDE.

Windows vs KDE.

While they're at it, a "small icons"-mode for those shortcuts (like seen in the KDE screenshot) would be nice as well.
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It would also be nice to be able to customize System Tasks, Other Places, and the Details windows. I might actually use them then.
 
S1nF1xx said:
One of my biggest gripes is the file copy estimator. You move a folder
"18 minutes left"

5 seconds later
"30 seconds left"

5 seconds later
"129384 minutes remaining"

5 seconds later
Done
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Is there any OS that does this right? I thought about this years ago with 3.1, when copying files across a network. I'm not sure there is a good method for this considering changes in bandwidth (host, network, bus, HDD, etc).
 
HHunt said:
Another useful feature I'd appreciate it if they added is a customisable load/save dialog, ala KDE.

Windows vs KDE.

While they're at it, a "small icons"-mode for those shortcuts (like seen in the KDE screenshot) would be nice as well.
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The other day someone informed me that the open\save dialog is customizable, it was news to me. They said it's really easy with the XP powertoys to add in custom locations.

Just thought I'd let you know...
 
S1nF1xx said:
BETTER BSODs !!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not a programmer, never will be. I am a hardware tech. I don't give a damn about dump files and if there's been an error at (0x0000034, 0x000034 blah blah). I want the OS to say "RAM fucked some shit up so I'm rebooting."
That would make life soo much nicer.
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LMAO. Agreed. Afterall, searching on google for that error code, is actually kind of annoying.
 
Phoenix86 said:
Is there any OS that does this right? I thought about this years ago with 3.1, when copying files across a network. I'm not sure there is a good method for this considering changes in bandwidth (host, network, bus, HDD, etc).
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They get it pretty close if you're just copying a large file or a few big files. When it has the most trouble is when you have a ton of files with varying sizes. It has no clue then how long it will take. There has to be a different method they can use to determine the time left.
Otherwise just give me a bar that shows how many of the files have been copied so far, or count how many files have been copied/are left when large folders are involved.
 
[MS] said:
The other day someone informed me that the open\save dialog is customizable, it was news to me. They said it's really easy with the XP powertoys to add in custom locations.

Just thought I'd let you know...
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Thanks.
However, I want it to be enabled by default and easy to access. :)
(KDE again: 1, 2, 3. Simple. I even made it look more involved than neccesary by choosing a custom icon.)
 
How about Office included. I hate having to install a separate product to able to read Word documents.
 
Empyrean said:
How about Office included. I hate having to install a separate product to able to read Word documents.
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Free office viewers, perhaps, but not Office.
(I kind of like Oo_O, anyway.)
 
HHunt said:
Thanks.
However, I want it to be enabled by default and easy to access. :)
(KDE again: 1, 2, 3. Simple. I even made it look more involved than neccesary by choosing a custom icon.)
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Furthermore, if [MS] "just found out about it" what chance does a "user" have?

Empyrean, you realize MS Office is like ~$150-200, right? People bitch about the OS cost now...

There are viewer apps they could build into the install, though.
 
Ranma_Sao said:
On the topic of infinite customizability, I think RaymondC say's it best:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2005/06/09/427240.aspx
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As you didn't say, I'll assume you're speaking to me, and about adding and removing shortcuts to the open/save dialogs.

The main reason I wonder why windows doesn't have it already is that it's not different from what's already there. It's not about changing any behavior, it's merely about adding shortcuts to a list of shortcuts. It's on the same level of customisability as adding quick-launch icons.

Now, if I were to ask for all the things I can do with that dialog in KDE (like adding shortcuts to folders opened over scp), I'd understand you.
However, I don't, so I just can't see how it should be possible to make such a simple concept problematic. :)

(Ok, if some user deletes the "my documents"-shortcut and doesn't know how to add it back, that's a support issue.)
 
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