Old School XP, what happened?

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spotdog14

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Hello,

I was just recalling about my buddy back in high school when Win XP first started getting shipped on new systems. He had a Sony desktop computer and the boot time for this system whas NOTHING! I mean it went from pushing the button to the welcome screen extremely fast.

It seems that over the years it has become incleasingly slow with every update. He still has the system and it is still fast to things twice as fast as it!

Why?
 
Phoenix86 said:
Hmm, I'm not sure how effecting the prefetching is. However, what's the point in uber fast boot times? Wouldn't you rather have faster app load times?

I reboot 1/require patch.

I start application dozens of times/session.
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well normally say like on my desktop i would not care, by on my ultraportable that i take to class to take notes on, speed of shut down and start up and battery life are all tha matters! I need somthing that shuts down fast for the end of class and boots up fast for the begining of class like say when im late.
 
spotdog14 said:
well normally say like on my desktop i would not care, by on my ultraportable that i take to class to take notes on, speed of shut down and start up and battery life are all tha matters! I need somthing that shuts down fast for the end of class and boots up fast for the begining of class like say when im late.
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Don't shutdown, use hibernation.
 
Hibernation doesn't work all the time.

Usually slower startup times and slower performance are a sign of Spyware infestation. If you restore the machine and do all the updates fresh you'll find the performance back where it used to be.

I have this conversation about 5 times a week with people who bring their machines into the tech shop.
 
spotdog14 said:
yah i guess so, but some things just dont work right when you hibernate all the time.
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Hibernate durring the week and reboot on the weekend, or when you get home. I used to have a slow ass computer at work that took longer to boot than my DC at home did. :eek: Since I punch in on my workstation, I had to wait for it without getting paid, so I just put it in hibernation at the EOD. Works nice. But my new workstation works better. :p
 
I hibernate ALL the time with my laptop, the only programs that have problems are those with connections to network servers such as outlook (duh, you can't see the server anymore). However, it's never a "crtitical" issue, just a "hey WTF happened to the server" type message.

What problems have you folks seen with hibernate? On XP? I know there were hibernation issues with 9x.
 
Phoenix86 said:
I hibernate ALL the time with my laptop, the only programs that have problems are those with connections to network servers such as outlook (duh, you can't see the server anymore). However, it's never a "crtitical" issue, just a "hey WTF happened to the server" type message.

What problems have you folks seen with hibernate? On XP? I know there were hibernation issues with 9x.
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I work on and support a number of notebook PC's. The problem I usually run into is that many systems will lock up in hibernation mode and you've got to pull the battery out and unplug the AC Adapter, then power them back on.

Usually this has alot to do with the state of the machine before they put it in hibernation mode. Still, this problem occurs very frequently and the best practice with notebooks is to power them down all the way when they are going to be transported anywhere.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
Hibernation doesn't work all the time.

Usually slower startup times and slower performance are a sign of Spyware infestation. If you restore the machine and do all the updates fresh you'll find the performance back where it used to be.

I have this conversation about 5 times a week with people who bring their machines into the tech shop.
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I run many anti virus and spyware programs, and its a pretty clean machine, so i know thats not a problem! Thanks though, but the original question was why has XP over the generations of it taken so much longer to boot?

Sir-Fragalot said:
I work on and support a number of notebook PC's. The problem I usually run into is that many systems will lock up in hibernation mode and you've got to pull the battery out and unplug the AC Adapter, then power them back on.

Usually this has alot to do with the state of the machine before they put it in hibernation mode. Still, this problem occurs very frequently and the best practice with notebooks is to power them down all the way when they are going to be transported anywhere.
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Thats ture, thats probibly what ill end up doing! Thanks for the advice!
 
note, hibernation does terminates the power. it is a power off state, and does twice the workload. once for saving the current state, and the second for loading the saved state. there is no true benefit to hibernation, and it is a security risk. with particular software and hardware configurations, you will be wasting more power than what boot up would produce.

microsoft: Windows XP reduces the time it takes to compress the memory data and save it to your hard disk. The time it takes to resume from hibernation can vary considerably. Newer laptops can resume from hibernation in 20 to 30 seconds, but the actual time depends on how much data was saved in RAM at the time you started hibernation.
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many pc's prolong boot process issue has to do with configuration, certain subsystem performance, and application base installed. e.g. norton's anti virus will rewrite the page file at boot up. this has to be completed before paging to swap occurs, therefore increasing boot time.

I run many anti virus and spyware programs, and its a pretty clean machine, so i know thats not a problem! Thanks though, but the original question was why has XP over the generations of it taken so much longer to boot?
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do not think so!! just because you have taken the precautions, and you have layers of defense implemented, does not mean that you have not been compromised. your assumption is one of the highest concerns in security practices.

The problem I usually run into is that many systems will lock up in hibernation mode
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this can be due to poor bios implementation, supporting hardware, and/or drivers.
 
shaihulud said:
note, hibernation does terminates the power. it is a power off state, and does twice the workload. once for saving the current state, and the second for loading the saved state. there is no true benefit to hibernation, and it is a security risk. with particular software and hardware configurations, you will be wasting more power than what boot up would produce.
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The point of hibernation is to be able to power down the system while maintaining your current session and allowing a rapid reboot.
 
Phoenix86 said:
Don't shutdown, use hibernation.
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dont hibernate use suspend, your lappy should be able to stand by for DAYS on a full charge. the longest ive used suspend is 29days, i have NEVER rebooted the pc in that time, only used stand by, and ive never gotten any kind of system degrdation in performance or any errors with programs. it suspends even faster if you close your open programs
 
S1nF1xx,from my previous post:
note, hibernation does terminates the power. it is a power off state, and does twice the workload. once for saving the current state, and the second for loading the saved state. there is no true benefit to hibernation, and it is a security risk. with particular software and hardware configurations, you will be wasting more power than what boot up would produce.
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your post in relation to mine:
The point of hibernation is to be able to power down the system while maintaining your current session and allowing a rapid reboot.
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i obviously know this about this characteristic, and i wanted to make a point about this statement from Phoenix86: "Don't shutdown, use hibernation." now, if you did truly read and comprehend what i said, the only "benefit" to hibernate is the saved session. but if you are concerned with power, and security, it is asinine to implement.
 
spotdog14 said:
well normally say like on my desktop i would not care, by on my ultraportable that i take to class to take notes on, speed of shut down and start up and battery life are all tha matters! I need somthing that shuts down fast for the end of class and boots up fast for the begining of class like say when im late.
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He wants it to boot quickly and save battery power, hibernation is what he needs.

shaihulud said:
S1nF1xx,from my previous post:
your post in relation to mine:
i obviously know this about this characteristic, and i wanted to make a point about this statement from Phoenix86: "Don't shutdown, use hibernation." now, if you did truly read and comprehend what i said, the only "benefit" to hibernate is the saved session. but if you are concerned with power, and security, it is asinine to implement.
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Hibernation is all about power saving. The point of hibernation isn't to save battery power on boot up. The point is to save battery power by letting you turn it off while saving your session.

I really don't know where you're trying to go with this whole "hibernation doesn't save power" thing.
 
Phoenix86 said:
Hmm, I'm not sure how effecting the prefetching is. However, what's the point in uber fast boot times? Wouldn't you rather have faster app load times?

I reboot 1/require patch.

I start application dozens of times/session.
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I gave it a try, and my boot time actually *increased* from 14 to just under 20 seconds...so I set it back to 3 :p
 
i just installed a second hard drive, and my boot times went from like, 7-10 swipes to under 3.
 
Hibernation is all about power saving. The point of hibernation isn't to save battery power on boot up. The point is to save battery power by letting you turn it off while saving your session.

I really don't know where you're trying to go with this whole "hibernation doesn't save power" thing.
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i obviously know the point of hibernation. however, you are only seeing it "as a save power and state" ability. if you read, and try to comprehended my previous post(s) you will see as to why i say this is a fallacy. this is the only benefit of hibernation: if you are working on a system and wish to save the state, this means the current working application(s) in use, then hibernation is a candidate. note, that it does not "save" power for it terminates, which means no power is in use.

however, if you do want to save every bit of power, which is a concern of those who use mobile products, then hibernation is not at all a benefit. it has to read contents of ram, compress the data, write it to a drive. when the laptop to comes out of hibernation, it has to read the compressed contents of the hibernate file, decompress it, and load them into memory. this is double the work on a laptop which is inefficent use of power, when such is a commodity. depending on ram size and subsystems, the usage of power can increase more than a boot. making hibernation worse than saving your work and terminating the power-which is very similar.

He wants it to boot quickly and save battery power, hibernation is what he needs.
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this is not true. booting quickly is relative to many factors. if the user has multiple automatic/static apps that load at boot, the process can be streamlined. making them manual/dynamic is a better choice. e.g. messaging applications do not need to load at boot. this will add boot time, and is a waste of power due to the load of the app, and the contents in memory needing to be refreshed. loading necessary applications, simple chkdsk /f, and defrag upkeeping can prolong the health of the system, and shave boot time, and conserve power.

microsoft:
Please note that Bootvis.exe is not a tool that will improve boot/resume performance for end users. Contrary to some published reports, Bootvis.exe cannot reduce or alter a system's boot or resume performance. The boot optimization routines invoked by Bootvis.exe are built into Windows XP. These routines run automatically at pre-determined times as part of the normal operation of the operating system.
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bootvis is unncessary.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
I work on and support a number of notebook PC's. The problem I usually run into is that many systems will lock up in hibernation mode and you've got to pull the battery out and unplug the AC Adapter, then power them back on.

Usually this has alot to do with the state of the machine before they put it in hibernation mode. Still, this problem occurs very frequently and the best practice with notebooks is to power them down all the way when they are going to be transported anywhere.
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That indicates an ACPI issue with the hardware/BIOS.

Hibernate powers down the HDD, no problem with transportation vs. it being off. It *is* off for all intents and purposes.

klowngoblin said:
dont hibernate use suspend, your lappy should be able to stand by for DAYS on a full charge. the longest ive used suspend is 29days, i have NEVER rebooted the pc in that time, only used stand by, and ive never gotten any kind of system degrdation in performance or any errors with programs. it suspends even faster if you close your open programs
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Hibernate uses a type of suspend.
Linky.
"When a computer enters hibernation, the current state of the computer is saved to disk, and the power to the computer is turned off. When a computer wakes from hibernation, it reads the current state data from the disk and restores the system to the state that it was in before it entered hibernation."

shaihulud, before I even start this with you, can you drop this BS?
if you read, and try to comprehended my previous post(s) you will see as to why i say this is a fallacy."
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MMMkay?

Right then, you did have some interesting points.
and does twice the workload.
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Yes and no. It writes to disk, then reads from disk. Each operation is fairly quick, you say 20-30 seconds. We'll go with that, sounds about right.

Now, do this for me. Boot your PC, login, and open word+say 3 browser windows. How long?

For every laptop I have used on a regular basis (from a PII-300 to 1.4 Centrino) have all resumed from hibernation to the apps I had open WAY faster than if I booted the PC and opened each of those apps. If you're machine is part of a domain, and you have any kind of scritps running, hibernation would benefit you that much more. YMMV, I guess...

As far as power is concerned it's probably a wash vs. shutting down. Shutdown and suspend to disk are probably close in power consumption, same with bootup.

Security: don't lose your laptop or get it stolen. Physical security is the highest level. Outside that, hibernation supports password resume.
 
FerrisBuller said:
Bootvis... can you give me some detail on this please?

Thanks,

Ferris
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Bootvis is a program that Microsoft developed to speed up the boot process of XP SP1, they stoped supporting it, and hosting it on there site because some users under SP2 have had problems, i personally have run it on all my computes with SP2 and have had no problems. What it does it rearages the files that boot on yoru hard drive to the inside so they are accessed first, and from what i understand the inside of the hdd spins faster and thus has a higher access rate.

But you can still download Bootvis, just google it.
 
Phoenix86 said:
For every laptop I have used on a regular basis (from a PII-300 to 1.4 Centrino) have all resumed from hibernation to the apps I had open WAY faster than if I booted the PC and opened each of those apps. If you're machine is part of a domain, and you have any kind of scritps running, hibernation would benefit you that much more. YMMV, I guess...
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We actually recommend hibernation as opposed to shutting down overnight for all of our newer internal corporate laptops. Our internal tests have shown boot to desktop times are much much faster when using hibernation as opposed to a full boot. Power usage is about the same on a full boot from cold as compared to resuming from hibernation, but as I mentioned above, hibernation brings you to a usable desktop much faster, and does leave the apps open that were at one point.

It is true that it has to write out the hiberfil.sys file, and then on resume, read it back in. However, on a cold boot, the system still has to search and load all the system files anyway, so arguing about disk usage is moot. Some people just like to argue though, regardless of the subject.
 
shaihulud, before I even start this with you, can you drop this BS?
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Phoenix86, you have taken things out of context. if you are to appose that i am bs'ing, then do it correctly. you need to throughly read the argument between S1nF1xx and i. there is no bs'ing on my end. if any is comprehended as such, it is not my intent or doing.

you have also redundently posted information which i have done concerning this subject matter.

Yes and no. It writes to disk, then reads from disk. Each operation is fairly quick, you say 20-30 seconds.
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i posted previously, more than once. this is a better description: it has to read contents of ram, compress the data, write it to a drive. when the laptop to comes out of hibernation, it has to read the compressed contents of the hibernate file, decompress it, and load them into memory.

you say 20-30 seconds
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i did not say such. this is from microsoft. which again makes me ask the question, am i being read, and comprehended correctly?

Now, do this for me. Boot your PC, login, and open word+say 3 browser windows. How long
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you have no contention there. if you have read my previous posts, i concur with you. however, on a different perspective, i do not. note, my previous posts, which you have read correct?

As far as power is concerned it's probably a wash vs. shutting down. Shutdown and suspend to disk are probably close in power consumption, same with bootup
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this depends on many factors. it cannot be assumed that everyone has a perfectly power saving laptop, such as the centrino lines. note, my emphasis on subsystems.

Outside that, hibernation supports password resume
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passwords are not that secure, and the level of security that i was concerned about was with application being saved "at a certain state" that can be attainable, in various forms and ways. security issue revovling around hibernation is a more complicated, and debatable subject than what you have implied in your recent post.

It is true that it has to write out the hiberfil.sys file, and then on resume, read it back in. However, on a cold boot, the system still has to search and load all the system files anyway, so arguing about disk usage is moot.
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do you not think that this is relative to hardware, streamlined setup, application base, end user usage, etc? microsoft does state, and you all have agreed with the amount of applications loaded, that this may not be moot. microsoft: "..Newer laptops can resume from hibernation in 20 to 30 seconds, but the actual time depends on how much data was saved in RAM at the time you started hibernation." would this not mean that the inverse can be true, which is what i argued? in other words hibernate is more convenient than a power saver, and may not be as fast as a normal boot?

Some people just like to argue though, regardless of the subject
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true, but this is not me. if i was so, then my post would be completely different in logic, and proposal. note, seeming, and being are two entirely different possiblities that any of us can be perceived as.
 
spotdog14

BootVis.exe Tool for System Manufacturers
Updated: September 19, 2003

About Bootvis.exe
Bootvis.exe is a performance tracing and visualization tool that Microsoft designed to help PC system designers and software developers identify performance issues for boot/resume timing while developing new PC products or supporting software.

Please note that Bootvis.exe is not a tool that will improve boot/resume performance for end users. Contrary to some published reports, Bootvis.exe cannot reduce or alter a system's boot or resume performance. The boot optimization routines invoked by Bootvis.exe are built into Windows XP. These routines run automatically at pre-determined times as part of the normal operation of the operating system.

If you are an end-user seeking to resolve issues for boot/resume performance on your PC, we recommend that you contact the vendor from whom you purchased the PC. For information from Microsoft on specific issues, you can search Knowledge Base for Windows XP product issues related to "resume time." Knowledge Base is a free information service available at: http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=fh;[ln];kbhowto

You can also post questions to the Microsoft Windows XP Newsgroups at: http://support.microsoft.com/newsgroups/?pr=newsgwinxp&Product=winxp

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The Bootvis.exe tool is no longer available from this site.

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/sysperf/fastboot/bootvis.mspx
 
shaihulud, mind telling me how the contents of RAM are compressed for the hiberfil.sys file, considering it's the same size as physical memory?

Do us a favor, please. Drop the know-it-all, condescending attitude, and keep this as a discussion. Just because you don't agree with others comments, doesn't necessarily mean you are correct. Chill out, and post some links if you feel the need to prove your point.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows200...vanced/help/pwrmn_passwordprotect_standby.htm

That's a link explaining how to password protect your hibernation, if not on by default. By the way, strong passwords are a perfectly acceptable method of security. It is for us, and we are the largest IT company in the world.
 
I should have know you wouldn't... I even asked, yet here we go.

shaihulud said:
you have also redundently posted information which i have done concerning this subject matter.
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Wah, freaking cry me a river if info gets posted x2. Drop the attitude.

i posted previously, more than once.
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Are you counting? I'm not, neither is anyone else. Drop the attitude.

this is a better description: it has to read contents of ram, compress the data, write it to a drive. when the laptop to comes out of hibernation, it has to read the compressed contents of the hibernate file, decompress it, and load them into memory.
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Gee, you can expand on a topic we're in agreement about. :confused:
I posted a link providing a similar description. Since you're counting, here it is again.

Linky.

i did not say such. this is from microsoft. which again makes me ask the question, am i being read, and comprehended correctly?
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I quoted you, now you're splitting hairs, which makes me question if you have a fucking point or not. I even agreed that 20-30 seconds was reasonable. Why you bother bringing this up is beyond my comprehension. Comprende?

...which you have read correct?
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You like hearing yourself speak or what?

this depends on many factors. it cannot be assumed that everyone has a perfectly power saving laptop, such as the centrino lines. note, my emphasis on subsystems.
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Hibernate saves more power than keeping the system running. Thus it's power management, it does "save power" just not vs. cold boot, which again is moot. Are you *really* comparing the power consumption between processes that take less than 1 minute? PLEASE!

Take what you want from that. Cold boot is not faster than hibernate. Unless you want to sumbit some evidence... *waits with bated breath*

passwords are not that secure, and the level of security that i was concerned about was with application being saved "at a certain state" that can be attainable, in various forms and ways. security issue revovling around hibernation is a more complicated, and debatable subject than what you have implied in your recent post.
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If the password is not secure, and since hibernation adds no more risk factors you have no point. Hibernation is no less secure.

true, but this is not me. if i was so, then my post would be completely different in logic, and proposal. note, seeming, and being are two entirely different possiblities that any of us can be perceived as.
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I disagree, you are *trying* to make arguments here, where none exist. Heck you even argue about the "you said" vs. "MS said" when I'm not discussing the source. As I wrote I accepted the 20-30 second thing. No need to *further* qualify the source, aka creating an argument where none exits. Also the "hibernate" is not secure is BS when your argument comes down to "passwords aren't safe". I really think you're trolling a bit with that one.

Calm down, and don't reply line by line. There isn't a need to reply to 1/2 of the stuff I wrote.
 
shaihulud, mind telling me how the contents of RAM are compressed for the hiberfil.sys file, considering it's the same size as physical memory?
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good question, and i do not have an answer for this. the documentation that i read has compression being used. all specualtion: could the paged data move from page.sys to hiberfil.sys? since this "is" the contents of "ram." i am researching.

Also the "hibernate" is not secure is BS when your argument comes down to "passwords aren't safe". I really think you're trolling a bit with that one
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no, im not trolling. judging by the posts, us three definitely know that passwords are not enough. there are many ways to bypass, crack, social engineer, etc. but this is where i think the concern is, the saved state. it can contain pertinent information in various forms. not only this, but there is a dedicated allocated space that can be retrieved with a reader. this is the thinking that needs to be formulated, and any precaution is a layer of security.


OFF TOPIC:

Do us a favor, please. Drop the know-it-all, condescending attitude, and keep this as a discussion
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if this is what you say it is, then i can not help you, for it is not. imo, one issue with literature on the internet is this very reason. in all seriousness that can be conveyed with this text, i am not trying to be a know-it-all, nor condescending. i cannot make myself any more clear than this!

I should have know you wouldn't... I even asked, yet here we go
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now, if we were to go by djnes, which i feel that i comply to, then you are truly at fault. your recent posts, and attiude do reflect such. i have seen many of your posts, but this has been the most immature, and completly asinine to my record. i am calm as a hindu cow, why are you not? if you were so, i feel the responses wouldnt be so immature, and contain logical arguments. if we are adults, then it is not being reflected as so, from mainly your actions, pheonix86. i have not taken this anywhere-this is your zealous crusade, not mine.

There isn't a need to reply to 1/2 of the stuff I wrote
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since, my posts have been taken out of context, i felt that it was needed to correct you.
 
shaihulud said:
OFF TOPIC
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That about sums it up. Your not really making a point here. Your simply disagreeing, for the sake of disagreeing. The one comment you did make, about compression, you've back-tracked to say your not sure. Now, if you have a point, state it. If you have a point you'd like to discuss and/or debate, say it. But until then, Phoenix86 is right, you're simply trolling. I'm all for a good discussion on this issue, but debates need points, not random disagreements.
 
shaihulud said:
good question, and i do not have an answer for this. the documentation that i read has compression being used. all specualtion: could the paged data move from page.sys to hiberfil.sys? since this "is" the contents of "ram." i am researching.
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Gee, you'll research it after you post the info??? So nice of you... :rolleyes:

Most of us research BEFORE we post.

no, im not trolling. judging by the posts, us three definitely know that passwords are not enough. there are many ways to bypass, crack, social engineer, etc. but this is where i think the concern is, the saved state. it can contain pertinent information in various forms. not only this, but there is a dedicated allocated space that can be retrieved with a reader. this is the thinking that needs to be formulated, and any precaution is a layer of security.
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None of this has to do with hibernation. What you're essentially saying is "passwords are not strong" in response "use hibernation".

WTF?

OFF TOPIC:
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Have you made a "topical" post yet? This is a pretty wide open thread and you still can't hit the mark...

if this is what you say it is, then i can not help you, for it is not. imo, one issue with literature on the internet is this very reason. in all seriousness that can be conveyed with this text, i am not trying to be a know-it-all, nor condescending. i cannot make myself any more clear than this!
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Heh, even your explaination is condecending. I'm reminded of a quote...
"Well look, I already told you, I deal with the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills! I am good at dealing with people! Can't you undersand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"

Heh...

now, if we were to go by djnes, which i feel that i comply to, then you are truly at fault. your recent posts, and attiude do reflect such. i have seen many of your posts, but this has been the most immature, and completly asinine to my record. i am calm as a hindu cow, why are you not? if you were so, i feel the responses wouldnt be so immature, and contain logical arguments. if we are adults, then it is not being reflected as so, from mainly your actions, pheonix86. i have not taken this anywhere-this is your zealous crusade, not mine.
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Oh, sorry we didn't rise to "your" level of comprehension. Perhaps I'll try reading what you posted again.

My response was measured. I asked you to stop the holier-than-thou attitude (funny now you mention a hindu cow, irony? I think yes) before we started, you didn't.

since, my posts have been taken out of context, i felt that it was needed to correct you.
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Taken out of context?!? How do you relate passwords to hibernation, and make the claim that hibernation isn't as secure as: the same password/scheme that protect the system when it's cold booted?

Yes your argument "passwords are not good enough" is valid, just vastly irrelevant to the discussion.

Hibernation is no less safe than cold boot. How about you put this quote in context for me then.
"but if you are concerned with power, and security, it is asinine to implement."
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I feel I have shown how it saves power and is just as secure. Your move, prove your statement oh great debater with logic we can't fathom.

At this rate, the thread will get locked.
 
That about sums it up.
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I feel I have shown how it saves power and is just as secure. Your move, prove your statement oh great debater with logic we can't fathom.
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well, apparently, even though i am discussing, you both are not. you both are being hypocrites, and by no means am i ad hominem. manipulating my words, meanings, and even responding in a immature manner. i have not back tracked, i simple do not know about the "compression." which you did ask about, and is a topic for a good discussion

microsoft says:
This feature saves the contents of RAM to your hard disk in compressed form so you can turn your laptop or desktop computer completely off....
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/evaluation/features/fastresume.mspx

seriously, the attitude of you both is what needs to be considered, not mine. please, by all means, continue in the mature form of action that you assume it is. you both are showing your true nature. perhaps, we can have moderator action to be the final arbitrator of our actions.
 
As I areadly wrote...
Phoenix86 said:
shaihulud said:
but if you are concerned with power, and security, it is asinine to implement.
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I feel I have shown how it saves power and is just as secure. Your move.
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shaihulud said:
microsoft says:
This feature saves the contents of RAM to your hard disk in compressed form so you can turn your laptop or desktop computer completely off....
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/...fastresume.mspx
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First off, that's a whitepaper. There isn't a technical aspect to any of it. While I guess it's possible that the file is compressed, I doubt that's what they mean there. Why? The file is the same size as RAM. Second, searches for hiberfil.sys+compress(ion/ed)= little to nothing in results from technet and the KB, their technical papers. Finally, proof is in the pudding, the file itself is NOT compressed as seen in explorer (check yourself).

Now with 100% content. Better?

Anyways, your arguments, true or false, are irrelevant to the discussion. I'm still waiting for the reply on security...
 
Now when I am talking about efficiency, it's *my* productivity that I am concerned with, as such, it's far more efficient for me to use hibernation than it is to shut it down and restart.

Battery wise, I could care less if it takes a bit more power to reload my system from hibernate. When I need to use my laptop, I simply do not want to wait several minutes for it to boot up.

Security wise there is *little* if any difference in a system being powered off vs. one that has been hibernated.

Once someone has your laptop, they own it and the data it contains. End of story.
 
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