Opinions on this set up?

Looks like all the rest of the AC computers so you should be good to go. One thing you should do is not get the aquainlet if you are going to get the aquabay, why not get an aquatube for alittle more and you already have a mount for it.
 
ShockTech said:
Hey guys, got any opinions on these parts? Good, bad, better for less money, etc? Will it all work together? Missing anything?

Looks like an amazing setup you have there, if you were to get it I am sure you would be extremely pleased. I find the better for less money comment quite amusing, it is aquacomputer you are buying, about the most expensive mainstream watercooling equipment you can buy, of course you can buy something of equal quality and cooling performance for less money.

I dont want to turn this thread into yet another large vs small bore slug fest, so I will leave it at that.

The setup looks great, im sure TopNurse or another of the AC veterans could give you some good advice about it. One thing I noticed was the Vantec Stealth fans, some people have had bad experiences with those not actually being that quiet. I say get some Panaflows and undervolt them.
 
Well, a danger den or swiftech setup when coupled with a good pump like the great Laing D5 and with a modded heatercore or maybe a BIP2 will perform the same and cost at least half of a typical AC setup. You have to decide for yourself whether you think the AC gear is worth the extra cost. Are you more interested in looks or value? If value is the answer then IMO you should be looking elsewhere and not at AC.
 
i've posted regarding stealth fans (nidec fans) in the past, and the key thing is that they do not take rough handling at all well. if they are subjected to drops etc. in transit to you, the bearings will get damaged, and the fan will be pretty loud.

my own experiences with panaflo fans indicates that they are robust, long lived, undervolt well, and move good air per noise.

delta fans can be the same, just not the insane high performance FFB or TFB series. look at AFB series delta fans for use with a fan controller.
 
Ok, thanks.

Any opinions on teh watercooling stuff?

Cheaper stuff that will perform as good? Thanks
 
Any opinions on the Koolance Exos-2 setup and their cpu, gpu, and chipset blocks? compared that to this stuff?
 
Yes about 400.00 dollars in your pocket ( since the AC you have cost you 650.00-700.00 depending on shipping ) and probably 1-2c in cooling difference if that.
 
For the performance the EXOS 2 gives it is quite overpriced imo. It makes up for that however in ease of use, you simply cant beat the exos for ease of use. Since you seem to also be concerned with price, I would say the Exos-Al is a much better value. The Koolance blocks are pretty good, and match up well with their EXOS setups.

Take note though, the exos2 will most likely perform a bit worse than a well configured DD or Swiftech system and cost more.
 
Aviddigi said:
Yes about 400.00 dollars in your pocket and probably 1-2c in cooling difference if that.

So your saying I can save $400 by getting the Koolance stuff, and there would only be a 1-2 degree difference between the koolance stuff and the Aqua stuff?

When I priced it out, it still came out to about $500
 
Erasmus354 said:
For the performance the EXOS 2 gives it is quite overpriced imo. It makes up for that however in ease of use, you simply cant beat the exos for ease of use. Since you seem to also be concerned with price, I would say the Exos-Al is a much better value. The Koolance blocks are pretty good, and match up well with their EXOS setups.

Take note though, the exos2 will most likely perform a bit worse than a well configured DD or Swiftech system and cost more.

Im also concerned about space, I have a Lian Li PC-65, I only have a small space under my PCI slots, and 2, 5.25 inch bays basically. Which is why the Exos-2 is nice, because it actually looks good ontop of a PC.
 
Old post of a computer i did when the 6800 water blocks came out ( 1/2 inch two pumps into one dual bay res rbx block and DD 6800 block ) 250.00 but i looked for the deals
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=833903

Also you dont need two pumps, two rads it was something i wanted to try. So you would save another 40.00-50.00 dollars. You go AC ( which there is nothing wrong with ) you will end up getting the aquaero, multiswitch when it comes out plus the other stuff waiting at thier warehouse.

AC rig http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=881561
 
Your case is quite longer than mine is :(

Looking at my case, it looks like i have enough room for a res, maybe a single fan rad, and thats about it inside my case....:(
 
You can fit a dual heatercore + fans in the top 2 5.5" bays on the PC65 (of course requires cutting up that nice case).

You can use a T-line + fillport instead of a res.

You should be able to find space in the case for the D5, or at least the DDC.


Basically, you have a lot more room in your case than you think.


Also, I still say at 200$ vs 350$ the Exos-Al is a much better value than the Exos2
 
One thing about the case the 360 is huge there is know way to get it in there with the PSU plus with the aquabay you would not be able to use a CD rom dvd ETC. You can external mount it but you would have to get those from IT-trade. Try looking at the lian li gallery, there are many post of water cooled cases that may catch your eye
 
I know there is lots of potential with cutting, I was just trying to stay away from that if possible, its messy, and the potential to mess up the case....scares me :(
 
I know what your saying, but were you thinking that the EVO rad was going to be external ? I would stay clear of the 360 with that case man. It barely worked with my lian li V2000 and i still lost alot of room.
 
Aviddigi said:
I know what your saying, but were you thinking that the EVO rad was going to be external ? I would stay clear of the 360 with that case man. It barely worked with my lian li V2000 and i still lost alot of room.

Honestly, I dont know what I was thinking.

I think I was thinking about getting the new Antec P180 case. I dont know heh.

How do you think that would work with all this?
 
ShockTech said:
Honestly, I dont know what I was thinking.

I think I was thinking about getting the new Antec P180 case. I dont know heh.

How do you think that would work with all this?


With the power supply at the bottom you could manage it ( evo 240, 360 ) but that fan on top with the shroud would have to go. Also it just has four bays, no room for extra goodies. Coolermaster has the staker 2 ( CM Stacker 830 ) http://www.3dgameman.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34782 but even this one has things ontop that get in the way unless you cut the case. But you can put a smaller heater core ( chevette ) inside the case.
 
http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=137
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=175&cat=0&page=1
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=150&cat=18&page=1
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=45&cat=15&page=1
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/de12trbllows.html (i would actually suggest the high output fan on a controller, above this unit)
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=172&cat=33&page=1 (clearflex is also great, but this is a bit softer and nicer to work with)
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=56&cat=34&page=1

add some zerex coolant additive, a jug of distilled water, a T fitting, and some metal gear clamps from local stores for a great performing system.

you can probably do better than the prices listed above, but i'm not going to go shopping around for the best deals for you.
 
Aviddigi said:
One thing about the case the 360 is huge there is know way to get it in there with the PSU plus with the aquabay you would not be able to use a CD rom dvd ETC. You can external mount it but you would have to get those from IT-trade. Try looking at the lian li gallery, there are many post of water cooled cases that may catch your eye

I have a case similar to that, which is the Lian-Li PC-601B. I was originally going to put a Koolance EXOS II in it which is not a problem. However, I think that the EXOS Aluminum would also be good and it is about $150 cheaper for the base unit. The EXOS II unit is much quieter though and has some better temp monitoring capabilities over the original EXOS. The other big difference is that they doubled the flow from 1 liter/min to 2 liters/min and increased the radiator size to 3/8". That gets balanced with the fact that except for their CPU coolers they all have 6mm spigots, but there is no reason that you can't mix and match coolers. If I was going to do it again I would probably consider using the external Evo mount with some A-C equipment.

At one time I was working on doing a Koolance/DIY hybrid using Aqua Computer parts as well, but when they launched the EXOS II with a $350 price I said later days and started building a native A-C rig.

The Evo external mount for the Evo 240/360 radiators is actually coming into stock at Sharka by the end of the week. AFAIK there are 10 coming in none and none are sold yet. :)
 
Thanks for the help guys,

Now im stuck in a torn. I mean buying a new case is an expensive alternative to having a really kick ass (Aqua parts) WC set up.

The EXOS-2 looks alot better, and is cheaper, but doesnt have as much effect on cooling, which I need badly right now.
 
ShockTech said:
Thanks for the help guys,

Now im stuck in a torn. I mean buying a new case is an expensive alternative to having a really kick ass (Aqua parts) WC set up.

The EXOS-2 looks alot better, and is cheaper, but doesnt have as much effect on cooling, which I need badly right now.
the stuff that i put up should fit in the case you have, even if you would need to cut it.
 
How about this? Here's a push fit based 3/8" ID system, comprising of quiet parts. Performance would be excellent, and you can add any reservoir of your choice or add a T-Line/fillport. You could even buy the Aqua Computer Aquatube and have it re-bored with 3/8" threads too :)

CPU Block: http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchan...oduct_Code=AQX-TDX-P4_478-QC&Category_Code=WB

Alt CPU Block: http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchan...oduct_Code=AQX-WW-AL-USMA-QC&Category_Code=WB (if you don't mind some extra routing and a Y splitter)

GPU Block: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835108066 (this also comes in black)

Pump: http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchan...ct_Code=AQX-50Z-DC12-T-PnC-QC&Category_Code=P (the info page says it's quiet, in bold type too :) )

Radiator: http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchan...D&Product_Code=BIX-PnC-QC-BLK&Category_Code=P

Radiator Fan: http://www.jab-tech.com/customer/product.php?productid=2094&cat=81&page=1

Just add tubing of your choice, and Swiftech Coolsleeves for added support and, looks.

Here's another good "kit": http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-wat-60.html

If you really want the Aqua Computer setup, go for it! Why not start smaller though? Buy the pump and an AquaInlet fill tank, a CPU and/or GPU block and a radiator first. Then, if you add a drain line somewhere, it should be easy to drain and take apart, so later on, you could add more pieces so you don't have to pay so much right away. Innovatek's Tank-O-Matic plugons look rather nice, I use one and love it. You can mix and match a lot of parts, so you don't need to buy all Aqua Computer.
 
ShockTech said:
So this kit: (http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-wat-60.html) Has everything I would need to cool my: Athlon 64, Nvidia 6800 GT, my Northbridge chipset?

All I would need to add is the tubing? (What size?)

thanks for the help, that Kit seems like a good deal, would it cool sufficently?

I think you misread, the Asetek setup comes with everything you need, including the tubing and a reservoir. It was my setup above it (the one consisting of a bunch of links that needed the tubing). That Asetek kit has 3/8" tubing, a reservoir, a pump, a video card block, CPU block, chipset block and a triple 120mm radiator. The Asetek stuff cools really well, especially with that triple Black Ice Pro radiator. They make them with all sorts of options, like ones with double rads, single rads, 80mm rads etc. The only issue is that the video card block might not be able to fit the 6800 card, because of the different mounting methods. The best thing that you can do is to register on the Asetek Waterchill forum and ask if they have another mounting bracket for the 6800, or if there is a way to make the one that comes with the kit fit..

Here's another kit using Swiftech components: http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-wat-63.html That one only cools the CPU, so you will need to buy the 6800 block (http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-blc-133.html and http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-swi-13.html) and the chipset block (http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-blc-141.html) seperately.
 
Pooky said:
I think you misread, the Asetek setup comes with everything you need, including the tubing and a reservoir. It was my setup above it (the one consisting of a bunch of links that needed the tubing). That Asetek kit has 3/8" tubing, a reservoir, a pump, a video card block, CPU block, chipset block and a triple 120mm radiator. The Asetek stuff cools really well, especially with that triple Black Ice Pro radiator. They make them with all sorts of options, like ones with double rads, single rads, 80mm rads etc. The only issue is that the video card block might not be able to fit the 6800 card, because of the different mounting methods. The best thing that you can do is to register on the Asetek Waterchill forum and ask if they have another mounting bracket for the 6800, or if there is a way to make the one that comes with the kit fit..

Thanks for clearing that up for me, Ill do that right now.
 
Quick question...how would you fix a leak with a push on fitting? I mean its not like a clamp where you can tighten it more....?
 
ShockTech said:
Quick question...how would you fix a leak with a push on fitting? I mean its not like a clamp where you can tighten it more....?

If you get a leak while testing your loop on a push fitting it means you either have a faulty push fitting (unlikely) or you did not put the tube in all the way/correctly.
 
You might find the animations at Legris to be helpful in understanding how a push-fit works. There are basically two points of resistance which you will see when you run the animation sequences.
 
I think im going to go wit hthe asetek kit, but I need to find out if I can get a 6800 GPU block instead of the one they give you, because someone said it might not work?

Im prolly going to get the new Antec P180 Case for all this, will that be a better solution than the lian li pc-65B that i currently have? Im trying to avoid cutting at all costs. Unless there is some kind of mount for the rad that someone makes (IIRC, I think I saw sharka going to be carring the Aqua rad mount?) Because in that case, atleast it would look decent.
 
ShockTech said:
I think im going to go wit hthe asetek kit, but I need to find out if I can get a 6800 GPU block instead of the one they give you, because someone said it might not work?

Im prolly going to get the new Antec P180 Case for all this, will that be a better solution than the lian li pc-65B that i currently have? Im trying to avoid cutting at all costs. Unless there is some kind of mount for the rad that someone makes (IIRC, I think I saw sharka going to be carring the Aqua rad mount?) Because in that case, atleast it would look decent.

I'm not sure how easy it would be to modify the external Evo mount to utilize a BI radiator that comes with the Asetek kit having not seen it. The Evo grills can be attached to the BI rads but you have to do a little finangling to do it. However, if that the is the way you want to go then Sharka has Asetek and A-C so I think they might be willing to sell you an Asetek kit with a substituted Evo rad. Since your going with a 10mm (3/8) ID system you would be best to go with the DD NV-68 if you want a combined ram/GPU cooler. You can also use A-C TwinPlex's or other similar blocks to cool just the GPU and put some ram sinks on which is what I do with my 6600 GT's. The A-C blocks can use 6mm, 8mm, and 10mm ID tubing. :)
 
Top Nurse said:
I'm not sure how easy it would be to modify the external Evo mount to utilize a BI radiator that comes with the Asetek kit having not seen it. The Evo grills can be attached to the BI rads but you have to do a little finangling to do it. However, if that the is the way you want to go then Sharka has Asetek and A-C so I think they might be willing to sell you an Asetek kit with a substituted Evo rad. Since your going with a 10mm (3/8) ID system you would be best to go with the DD NV-68 if you want a combined ram/GPU cooler. You can also use A-C TwinPlex's or other similar blocks to cool just the GPU and put some ram sinks on which is what I do with my 6600 GT's. The A-C blocks can use 6mm, 8mm, and 10mm ID tubing. :)


Ok so...what are you suggesting I get? The kit, or specific parts? If its specific parts, please list them so I can get a idea of price etc. Thanks!
 
Okay I was at Sharka today and asked him about this. Wes will mix and match to your hearts content with Asetek and Aqua Computer products. You can get an Aqua Computer Evo 360 radiator, combine it with the External Evo mount, and add an Evo 360 Grill to finish it off with a little style. :D This can just sit on top of your box and look pretty. If you want to get the Asetek kit from elsewhere then he will also just sell you the Aqua Computer stuff you need.

All the links have USA prices and the External Evo mount is due in late this week. I would estimate a price of roughly $30-35 for the external mount.
 
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