No nVidia fall refresh?

I think it's because ATi's fall refresh only gave at the most a 3 fps boost.
 
awww i really wanted to see an ultra with 500/1300 :) but guess it ain't happening heheh


*hugs 6800ultra* hehe
 
Not to take over your thread or anything but I am wondering-
Why do Nvidia cards 6800s series cards run at slower clock speeds than the ATI's x800s?
 
yeh, nv dont really need a refresh anyway TBH since ATI cannot compete in terms of shader technology or HDR technology, and speeds are similar between the two cards.
 
why do athlon 64s run at lower clocks then pentium 4's? because they're different.

anyways, there wasn't a fall refresh at all. If anything, it's a winter refresh, and at best it's possible that it still might be a christmas refresh. But i'm not looking forward to seeing anything until june........

anyways, the x850 pro looks to be a POS

but the x800 and x800xl.........I want one of those:p
 
bountyhunter said:
why do athlon 64s run at lower clocks then pentium 4's? because they're different.

anyways, there wasn't a fall refresh at all. If anything, it's a winter refresh, and at best it's possible that it still might be a christmas refresh. But i'm not looking forward to seeing anything until june........

anyways, the x850 pro looks to be a POS

but the x800 and x800xl.........I want one of those:p
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I know they are different and as a result they run at different series, but I was wondering how are they different from an architectural point of view. For example- The AMD processors run slower, but also have a shorter "pipline" and as a result do not need the higher speeds of the P4. Thats what I kind of meant......
 
{NcsO}ReichstaG said:
Not to take over your thread or anything but I am wondering-
Why do Nvidia cards 6800s series cards run at slower clock speeds than the ATI's x800s?
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The same reason AMD processors run at slower clock speeds than Intel processors.
 
I'm kinda upset that there won't be a speed bump...but I guess a new card would have been pointless anyways...I mean, no 30Mhz speed bump? that almost makes logical sense...WTF nvidia? think of the marketing opportunities!! you could make a 6850Ultra!!
 
Why hasn't anyone here mentioned that maybe SLI is the fall refresh?
 
Let us breath a little with those "refresh"... Damn, those 6800 are out since last april and still cost like 500$.. Common..... :rolleyes: Whay would happen with a "refresh" is that the current price of the 6800 would not drop that much so the newer card would have to be more expensive to show people that its something "better"... I'm sick at paying that much for a card that will give you an edge say, 2 or 3 months.......

Para
 
^eMpTy^ said:
I'm kinda upset that there won't be a speed bump...but I guess a new card would have been pointless anyways...I mean, no 30Mhz speed bump? that almost makes logical sense...WTF nvidia? think of the marketing opportunities!! you could make a 6850Ultra!!
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LOL. I think a refresh for nVidia would be pointless. They already have all the bases covered very well. AGP and PCI cards on every level
 
Parabellum said:
Let us breath a little with those "refresh"... Damn, those 6800 are out since last april and still cost like 500$.. Common..... :rolleyes: Whay would happen with a "refresh" is that the current price of the 6800 would not drop that much so the newer card would have to be more expensive to show people that its something "better"... I'm sick at paying that much for a card that will give you an edge say, 2 or 3 months.......

Para
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X800XT:pe's have been out the same time.. and they're selling for 560+ in most cases, close to 700 in others...

IMO, nVidia knows that people who are buying the 6800either know what they're getting, will be overclcoking, or will put faith in them to do driver revisions (as I have, but I'm not disappointed regardless) because they know it has raw speed. nVidia seems a bit smarter then ATi in this refresh stance then me considering all the money that goes into fabricating new cards (even if it's just a refresh) vs the amount you'll sell for the cost. nVidia figures I guess that they know these cards are the ones that cater to enthusiast so why give them more of what they already have.. why not give them a big bump instead of a small one which they get because again, "they know what they're doing (most the time ^^)"... ATi knows the same thing... but they continue to pump out refreshes of high end cards, when they don't even have an answer to some cards (specially mid range, 6800NU). But I can see where this refresh is coming.. It's to keep the PE idea alive after it practically died on the market because they couldn't get alot of physical ones out.
 
Banko said:
I think it's because ATi's fall refresh only gave at the most a 3 fps boost.
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ATI is doing it for better production yields mostly, and they decided to squeeze a few more frames out of them while they're at it. I doubt they would bother if yields weren't a problem, the x800 still sells out regularly at $400 and the same for the XT at $500. They don't really need to bring in 5 new models, but thats beside the point.
 
Met-AL said:
yaa, I got that. I laughed=LOL, and then agreed with you. Don't get used to it.
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oh...well...when I am agreeing with someone I usually say something like "I agree"...but that's just me...;)
 
nvidia high end are based on .13 micron and are very very efficient.

ati is on .11 for hight end.. and.. well... as you can see... they need a lot of mhz to catch up to nviida.

term.. paper... killing me...
 
geekcomputing said:
nvidia high end are based on .13 micron and are very very efficient.

ati is on .11 for hight end.. and.. well... as you can see... they need a lot of mhz to catch up to nviida.

term.. paper... killing me...
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Actually, ATi is on .13 for high end as well. The .11 is for their lower end card, the X800XL and X800.
 
I think nvidia better have something up their sleeve- it's at who has every section of the market, not nvidia :rolleyes:
SLI isn't cost effcient, and there's far to little games which aren't cpu limited with it, so the gains are minimal.
 
Moloch said:
I think nvidia better have something up their sleeve- it's at who has every section of the market, not nvidia :rolleyes:
SLI isn't cost effcient, and there's far to little games which aren't cpu limited with it, so the gains are minimal.
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Well, the thing is, there ARE a lot of games that are CPU-limited with even a SINGLE 6800 Ultra.

If you haven't noticed, we have sort of hit a 'plateau' this year with CPU tech. The year debuted last January with the Pentium 4 at 3.2ghz and the fastest P4 you can buy right now is....3.6ghz. Oooooooh, wow.

Compare to the graphics card wars, though. At the start of 2004, the Radeon 9800XT was still the hot card to get, and nVidia best was the 5950 Ultra. NOW look where we are.

I think nVidia is fine resting on their laurels for the time being. CPU and system tech needs to play a little catch-up with the graphics cards for the next-gen chips to really come out with some punch.
 
dderidex said:
Well, the thing is, there ARE a lot of games that are CPU-limited with even a SINGLE 6800 Ultra.

If you haven't noticed, we have sort of hit a 'plateau' this year with CPU tech. The year debuted last January with the Pentium 4 at 3.2ghz and the fastest P4 you can buy right now is....3.6ghz. Oooooooh, wow.

Compare to the graphics card wars, though. At the start of 2004, the Radeon 9800XT was still the hot card to get, and nVidia best was the 5950 Ultra. NOW look where we are.

I think nVidia is fine resting on their laurels for the time being. CPU and system tech needs to play a little catch-up with the graphics cards for the next-gen chips to really come out with some punch.
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3.8 ghz..
and A64> intelfor gaming
Nvidia either is lying, or isn't up the fight- seriously look at how ati has the market cornered, nvidia is gonna lose even more market if they dont get of their asses!
 
I think nv should just get a .11 or .13 low-k 6850Ultra or something, clock it to around 475/600.

that should be a kickass fall refresh, and if they can get it out at the time SLi is available, its gonna be real good.

and im interested in the X800XL. anyone know when they'r gonna be released and will be available to reviewers?
 
I dont really think Nvidia needs to bring a refresh to the market yet?They currently have good coverage of the market in AGP format. quite an impressive architecture.And SLI 6600GT looking pretty good.
ATI'S refresher looks to be just to catchup to nvidia in retail channels? (Me hugs my X800XTPE had to scale tall mountains to find but twas worth it :p )
 
Moloch said:
3.8 ghz..
and A64> intelfor gaming
Nvidia either is lying, or isn't up the fight- seriously look at how ati has the market cornered, nvidia is gonna lose even more market if they dont get of their asses!
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Okay.. Lemme think... For the price range...

6200 = X300
6600(series) = X700(series)

Now on the 6800 hundereds, it gets tricky.

6800 = ? This has majorly hurt them in their top market.
6800GT = X800 Pro
6800Ultra = X800XT
SLI = X850XT:pE

^^ Based on price at the moment.

But who realy cares about 6800/X700 and up.. It's only about 10% of their revenue.. and nVidia has actually gained market share I believe (I dun remember according to their quote) due to being available...

The speed jump you'll get from the NV50 from the NV40 will be quite one if you ask... .11 core at estimated 500+, 1.4ns memory at an estimated 1300+... (according to nVidia's specs way back when) and process enhancements...

nVidia doesn't care about small refreshes on their top end cards because they know the margin of buyers that will buy them (that already have a top end card) will be minimal. Plus, they have SLI.
 
The ATI refresh isn't really about bringing a faster card to market at all. Read this review:

http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/r480/

Seems that ATI had yield problems with the X800 PE for many reasons, among them the fact that "the previous X800 boards were manufactured by Celestica while production of the new boards has been switched to PC Partner (Sapphire's parent company) - we had heard that initial X800 boards suffered some yield issues at the board level and this switch may be aimed at increasing the yield in this part of the production pipeline." I'm not sure if this is in reference to only built by ATI parts, but seems they're solving yield problems that were present in the past year.

There really are only a few tweaks for vertex and pixel shaders with a small bump in MHz, but the big deal is that these boards will likely be available in quantity. And one shouldn't overlook the fact that ATI now has a competitor for the 6800NU at a price point that MANY consumers would be interested in. This refresh will garner them some sales for this reason alone.
 
^eMpTy^ said:
oh...well...when I am agreeing with someone I usually say something like "I agree"...but that's just me...;)
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I was wondering how you managed to post 1,467 posts in less than 6 months...now I know.
 
I wouldn't say ATI's are a good value this go around. Their prices just aren't competetive. I mean look at the x800 pro. $400+ for something that performs like Nvidia's $250 non ultra. I try to get the most for my money even if I'm buying something expensive.

If you go to the store you see tons of Nvidia stuff but hardly any new ATI stuff in my area, so even if i wanted an x800 pro I'd have to order it online, which a lot of people don't do yet. Plus they didn't have enough AGP products and BOTH companies are taking too long to get their newer mid and low end stuff out. The 6600GT just came out in AGP and the product has been around for months now. They need to do a product release when they've got the whole lineup ready instead of pushing things out the door to make profit asap. Maybe the video processor would even work on my 6800 if people payed attention before releasing products :eek: .
 
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