New X800 and X850 cards from ATi

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ATI X850 details and pictures revealed
ATI's R430, X800 XL/X800 details revealed
X850 pricing, availability and performance are here

Picture of the X850.....
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X850 Info.

- 130nm TSMC low-k process
- Dual-slot cooler
- PCIe Only
- In 3 'flavours', X850XT-PE (540/1.18 16x1, $549), X850XT (520/1.08 16x1, $499), X850Pro (520/1.08 12x1, $399)
- Launch to press (under NDA) tomorrow, to the public on 1st December, available January 2005.

The X850 generation of cards comes from optimised R423 silicon powered with additional power management features. Don’t forget ATI is using new cooler and thermal throttling marchitecture.
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ATI claims that X850 XT Platinum edition will end up twenty per cent faster than Geforce 6800 Ultra in 3Dmark05, almost forty per cent faster in Far Cry and around 55 per cent faster in Unreal Tournament 2004. Those numbers come from ATI.
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New X800 Cards Info.

- 110nm TSMC process.
- PCIe only.
- Based on R430 core.
- X800XL (400/1.0 16x1, $349), X800 (400/700 12x1, $249)
- Available in January 2005
 
Well see how long those percentage claims last... They said it'd be about the same % faster in Half Life 2 or close....

Looks good :) Can't wait.
 
I seriously hope these cards aren't PCIe only.
 
Hahahuha. Like you cant clock to 540/1180MHz on your own. Eedeeots (ATi ofcourse).

I can see, how n00bs will buy this shit and sell their x800XT PE like.. like.. you know.
 
Most interesting things I see listed there are the x800 vanilla and the XL. Guess they'll finally have something to compete directly for the 6800nu's market share. Those x850s don't look like they'll be powerful enough to do anything a current XTPE or XT can't.
 
not at all .. most of the people here can get to those speeds easy on their current x800xt pe with w/c

I'm not worried at all .. but Nvidia doesn't look like they have an answer to this performance gain .. although Sli is released

by the time Ati releases multirendering Ati will have faster single cards and double the performance on multirendering which might kill Nvidia ..

a good startegy if they do that ...
 
Didnt nVidia brag something about 6900Ultra or something, not-so-long-ago? Btw, nVidia wont be beaten so fast imo. SLI power is 1337! To bad, no1 is using eet.. :rolleyes:

I will hate to see nVidia getting pwn3d again! :mad:
 
a 20Mhz core speed bump is nothing short of pathetic...Nvidia doesn't even have to release something to compete, the 6800Ultra already does...

what the hell has ATi been doing for the past 6 months? 20MHz!!!??? WTF!?
 
No. The fan reminds me on FX5800Ultra. *rofl*

20MHz, haha, just my humble oppinion, but i think its pathetic.
 
I applaud ATI for making a strong effort to get more cards out to consumers who want the best in gaming performance, given the glaring production problems of the X800XT PE. We all knew this wasnt going to be a revolutionary new type of architecture and performance wise will likely only be slightly faster than the X800 series. I wonder if this is a start to an industry wide move to PCI-E only? Doubt it, but when building my next computer Pci-e will definately be included.
 
Dual-slot cooling?
*ROFL*
OMG, that must be bad for those flaming the Geforce FX series cooling solution...

Terra - That hope someone is having a bitter taste right now...they asked for it ;)
 
ATI will claim the X850 will have much better availability than the disastrously not available X800 XT PE AGP card.
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I don't understand how this one would be easier to find considering it's essentially an X800XTPE with even higher clockspeeds...but if the say so :p

The X850 XT Platinum edition will be available for $549.
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On second thought, now I realize how they plan on solving the availablility problem :p

Too bad about the dustbuster but I suppose dustbusters are the wave of the future.
 
The X850 looks kinda cool even though its got that huge dual slot cooler on there lol. I guess people with SFF cases wont be able to complain about the size of nVidia dual slot cards any more.

http://www.guru3d.com/uploads/20030128-01.jpg

nVidia has a new competitor in the hair dryer market!

What makes ATI think they can produce these any faster then their X800XT Plati-None Edition?

I might pick one of em up if they are reasonably priced and actually available :).

I wish ATI would quit these crazy performance claims though. 40% faster in Far Cry? 55% faster in Unreal Tournament 2004? lol YEA RIGHT!

The last benches i checked the 6800U was tieing or beating the X800XT in Unreal Tournament 2004 by a slight margin. ATI would have to release some new ultra-ubatized cheat drivers far beyond their current version to pull that one off lol.

It sucks they are putting out all these cards on PCI-E but the R481 is suppost to be an AGP version.
 
coz said:
X850 Info.

- 130nm TSMC low-k process
- Dual-slot cooler
- PCIe Only
- In 3 'flavours', X850XT-PE (540/1.18 16x1, $549), X850XT (520/1.08 16x1, $499), X850Pro (520/1.08 12x1, $399)
- Launch to press (under NDA) tomorrow, to the public on 1st December, available January 2005.
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I'm really surprised that we are not seeing a die shrink on this. It would be cheaper for ATi to produce these cards at 110nm and they might be able to forego the dual slot cooler.
 
RAutrey said:
I'm really surprised that we are not seeing a die shrink on this. It would be cheaper for ATi to produce these cards at 110nm and they might be able to forego the dual slot cooler.
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I agree. The X800 card is going to be made at 110nm, which would give them good yield on the high-selling lower end parts (which are the real money-makers in any product line). They haven't released a 110nm card yet IIRC. I'll bet that the new X800s will also be useful in getting a handle on the production aspects of the smaller die size, without having to worry about the chip performing at the highest level.

I think this launch is significant not because of the X850 PE (which isn't a huge step up), but because they are producing smaller chips and finally competing at the vanilla level.
 
PCIe noooooo.... I am waiting to upgrade my 9800 pro here in the spring. There isn't any 754 motherboard that has PCIe. Even 939 boards don't have PCIe. I think ATI is jumping the gun to PCIe way tooo early. Hmm Intel and ATI in the bed together?
 
burningrave101 said:
What makes ATI think they can produce these any faster then their X800XT Plati-None Edition?
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That's supposed to be the whole point of X850/R480 - it's simply an R423 core that's been 'respun' for better yields. Add in the dual-slot cooling solution and hopefully we'll see much better numbers of X850XT-PE cards available than we did with it's predecessor. That price should also help keep X850XT-PE demand to a manageable level too. ;)
 
mohammedtaha said:
Nvidia doesn't look like they have an answer to this performance gain .. although Sli is released
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You obviously haven't heard about NV48 and NV47 then. :)
 
mohammedtaha said:
I did .. and i'm waiting to see what Nvidia has done
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There's an SLI review up on Hexus.net that talks about the fact that the SLI 6800Ultras they were given were clocked at 440/1130...probably a good guess that they are unreleased nv48s...or...47s, whichever is the pci-e
 
RAutrey said:
I'm really surprised that we are not seeing a die shrink on this.
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I think there's two possible reasons for not seeing X850 on the 110nm process. The first is that ATi historically don't release top of the range products on new processes. But then X700 is made on 110nm so it's not really a new process for ATi. Also, R520 is supposed to be made on 90nm low-k which *will* be a new process for ATi. Ok, so theory #1 is shafted already. :p

The second possible reason is that I don't believe ATi *can* hit the speeds they want on the 110nm process. Just look at the X700XT (RV410) - that's only a simple 8-pipe design with 128-bit memory controller and far less transistors than R420. Even so, X700XT runs like a furnace at it's stock 475MHz and barely clocks over 500MHz. Trying to get well over 500MHz on their high-end GPUs with 110nm looks like mission impossible.

In regards the second theory, it will be very interesting to see how well the new 110nm X800/XL cards overclock. I suspect you'll be able to run them up to around 500MHz but not much more. That will prove that ATi had no choice but to release X850 on their old 130nm low-k process.
 
Well so much for the single card solution :p It was bound to happen sometime.
 
^eMpTy^ said:
There's an SLI review up on Hexus.net that talks about the fact that the SLI 6800Ultras they were given were clocked at 440/1130...probably a good guess that they are unreleased nv48s...or...47s, whichever is the pci-e
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Thanks for the heads-up on that SLi article, very interesting stuff with comparisons between SFR and AFR modes and all that good stuff. I'd say that they were standard NV40 GPUs based on this comment.........

Testing has been frought with crashes, heat related issues from a pair of Ultras in close proximity, at full speed, and general teething troubles.
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Sounds like the toasty old NV40 to me!! :p

I dunno why they were running 2 x 6800U cards @440MHz core and an FX-55 on a 480W PSU. I'd feel more comfortable with around 550W for that kind of overclock on the cards! :eek:
 
with all the new video cards coming out at ridiculous prices (remember when top of the line was crazy at $300?) How much do you think it actually costs to manufacture one of the top of the line cards? I know that DDR3 memory is expensive but DAMN! Pretty soon it will be $999 for a top of the line video card... and that's not counting dual sli setups. Heck.. you know it's bad when Newegg is selling for lot more than MSRP. I know that as long as people have the disposable income to buy them at those prices.. they will continue to climb. I have the $$$ but doesn't mean I think it's a smart deal...

[..:: magnetik ::..]
 
"Testing has been frought with crashes, heat related issues from a pair of Ultras in close proximity, at full speed, and general teething troubles"


Oh wow, exactly what i was saying when i first seen the picture of nvidia's sli. Big suprise that, *yawn*,

So much for people screaming and hollering that nvidia know best what theyre doing slamming two cards so close together like that :rolleyes:
 
magnetik said:
Heck.. you know it's bad when Newegg is selling for lot more than MSRP.
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Yeah. I am quite dissappointed with Newegg on this. It's price gouging, PLAIN and SIMPLE. And lets not start with that supply and demand crap. They ARE taking advantage of the situation. :mad:
 
Chris_B said:
"Testing has been frought with crashes, heat related issues from a pair of Ultras in close proximity, at full speed, and general teething troubles"


Oh wow, exactly what i was saying when i first seen the picture of nvidia's sli. Big suprise that, *yawn*,

So much for people screaming and hollering that nvidia know best what theyre doing slamming two cards so close together like that :rolleyes:
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Yeah, the slots on nforce4 are separated by 2 pci-e x1 slots...so there is some space between the cards...so I don't know why they would have heat issues since Ultras don't produce that much more heat than the GT...maybe their case had crappy cooling or something? and what are "heat related issues"...that's kinda vague if you ask me...

I'm more concerned about stability and the fact that performance is still all over the map depending on what driver you use...it seems SLI has to be optimized at the driver level for just about every app you want to run on it...luckily, I think, given enough time, that nvidia's driver team is up to the task...but how long will it take?
 
coz said:
That's supposed to be the whole point of X850/R480 - it's simply an R423 core that's been 'respun' for better yields. Add in the dual-slot cooling solution and hopefully we'll see much better numbers of X850XT-PE cards available than we did with it's predecessor. That price should also help keep X850XT-PE demand to a manageable level too. ;)
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I dont really see why they need a dual slot cooler, my PE gets hot yeah but ive yet to see any stability issues associated with it. It now has an artic cooler revision 4 on it, but even with the stock cooler it ran without problems.
 
^eMpTy^ said:
Yeah, the slots on nforce4 are separated by 2 pci-e x1 slots...so there is some space between the cards...so I don't know why they would have heat issues since Ultras don't produce that much more heat than the GT...maybe their case had crappy cooling or something? and what are "heat related issues"...that's kinda vague if you ask me...

I'm more concerned about stability and the fact that performance is still all over the map depending on what driver you use...it seems SLI has to be optimized at the driver level for just about every app you want to run on it...luckily, I think, given enough time, that nvidia's driver team is up to the task...but how long will it take?
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I doubt it would have had bad cooling, im actually gonna email this guy that did the review and see if i can find out some more, like did they test with the case panel off and still get the crashes. Ever since i seen pics of nvidia's sli i never liked the look of it, heat coming off one card and getting sucked into the card behind its cooler just doesn't make for good stability.

It worked with voodoo 2's, mainly because they weren't generating the kind of heat these cards pump out. I dunno if its possible for motherboard manufacturers to further increase the distance between the cards. It is still a work in progress i suppose but its not too far off being released and that review didn;t exactly show it in a shining light as far as stability went.
 
ATI and dual slot coolign, didn think i'd ever see that. Now with the dual slot cooling seeing as its PCI-E will that create clearance problems like on the agp cards or is there more room. If noice isn't an issue and theres room for sli i guess its not half bad, the users get a more effective cooling solution
 
Hmm...is noone else noticing the Dual-DVI at all?? All these replies and no word of it....especially since people were complaining about it when it was VGA/DVI before...hmm, maybe these replies are from nvidia owners? :p Hmm...dual slot, Dual DVI....I smell nvidia style :) jk
 
hmm these new cards look like they have a vacuum attached to the top of them ala last gen nvidia cards ;) (personally i think those are the ugliest graphics cards ive ever looked at because of the cooler). but i guess well have to see how they perform in real life. too bad they are only PCIe...slim chance i would have gotten a new cpu/mobo anyway but since there doesn't seem to be an AMD PCIe board around that just solidifies my notions against it.
 
Chris_B said:
So much for people screaming and hollering that nvidia know best what theyre doing slamming two cards so close together like that
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The gap between the cards is much wider than with the Tumwater SLi rigs you've seen before. nForce4 SLi boards have a full PCI slot width between the two cards so the gap is much wider now. Check it out here.

Anyway, these cards were both running a 440MHz core clockspeed, I'm not sure I'd want to do that with an SLi rig running two NV40 GPUs on a 480W PSU. Let's see some closed-case testing with stock speeds before making a judgement on the viability of NV SLi. Maybe Brent would be kind enough to tell us if he's run into the same kind of issues?
 
Would it be safe to assume that the release of the X850s will have no affect on the prices of the AGP X800s and only change the prices of the PCI-E x800s.
 
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