7800X3D will be an utter failure of a CPU

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Idle is around 40 with full load load reaching low - mid 80s. I have a fairly un-aggressive fan curve set with a very low idle speed, so the idle temp could be lower.
Thanks for letting us know. I might actually turn my system on for the first time tonight.

I’ve been spending about two hours every night on my build, going very slowly.

I literally had a flippin heart attack just seven weeks ago, so I can’t allow myself to get too frustrated. This build could literally be the death of me. LOL.
 
Thanks for letting us know. I might actually turn my system on for the first time tonight.

I’ve been spending about two hours every night on my build, going very slowly.

I literally had a flippin heart attack just seven weeks ago, so I can’t allow myself to get too frustrated. This build could literally be the death of me. LOL.
Hang in there and enjoy it! Double check all your connections, and don’t stress if something doesn’t work as expected, troubleshooting is often part of the process.

Keep us posted
 
I am running my 7800X3D on a custom loop with the MSI X670E Carbon board. I have run EXPO since day one. My voltages were right at 1.35-1.36 before the beta bios released at the end of April. After, they dropped to right around 1.3. Before the update my idle temps were over 40C al the time...now they get down around 34-36. Max load temps are about the same (low 70s) but it doesn't seem to spike up as hard.

My brother has a 7800X3D with an NH-D15 on an ASUS TUF board and before the "quick fix" last official BIOS he had no issues and voltages at 1.26ish...same after the last official BIOS.

I'm not sure if he got a golden sample CPU or it is down to our RAM speed differences. I run a G.SKILL FLARE X5 DDR5-6000 kit and he runs a newer Crucial DDR5-5600 kit with pretty loose timings. We both use the default EXPO profiles.
 
I am running my 7800X3D on a custom loop with the MSI X670E Carbon board. I have run EXPO since day one. My voltages were right at 1.35-1.36 before the beta bios released at the end of April. After, they dropped to right around 1.3. Before the update my idle temps were over 40C al the time...now they get down around 34-36. Max load temps are about the same (low 70s) but it doesn't seem to spike up as hard.

My brother has a 7800X3D with an NH-D15 on an ASUS TUF board and before the "quick fix" last official BIOS he had no issues and voltages at 1.26ish...same after the last official BIOS.

I'm not sure if he got a golden sample CPU or it is down to our RAM speed differences. I run a G.SKILL FLARE X5 DDR5-6000 kit and he runs a newer Crucial DDR5-5600 kit with pretty loose timings. We both use the default EXPO profiles.

I'm also running a 7800x3d on a MSI X670E Carbon. Voltages same as you stated. I decided to see what would happen if I just manually lowered SOC to 1.25v... no issues. So I lowered it to 1.20v... no issues. I'll just leave it there for now. I'm running the Kingston DDR5-6000 on EXPO 1. It's the CL36-38-38 kit. I picked up this kit because it's shown on MSIs list of tested RAM as being able to run up to 4 sticks at the stated speeds. One of the few that is. (single rank, Hynix M-die)

I haven't really messed with PBO or curve optimizer because I figure after all the BIOS crap is straightened out I'll end up having to start all over again if I try and tweak it now.
 
Hey, speaking of BIOSs and such, I just went to the MSI support page for my X670E Carbon and saw they just released a new beta BIOS based on AGESA 1.0.0.7a.

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    - AGESA ComboPI 1.0.0.7a updated with the required solution.
 
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Idle is around 40 with full load load reaching low - mid 80s. I have a fairly un-aggressive fan curve set with a very low idle speed, so the idle temp could be lower.
That is about the same as what I'm seeing with the NZXT Kraken X72, which is also an AIO with a 360mm radiator. I was worried that I didn't install the AM5 bracket correctly since the instructions were extremely vague. Asetek designed the post offsets to work for both AM4 and AM5, and you need to figure out if the end with the ridges point up or down. I was going to remount it this weekend to check what the thermal past contact patch looked like on the pump. It is typically running around the mid-70s while gaming, but I've seen spikes to 83. After turning the pump on performance mode, idle fell from the low-40s to the mid-30s. Radiator fans are still using the balanced profile based on liquid temperature and sit around 900-1000 RPM, which is pretty quiet still.
 
That is about the same as what I'm seeing with the NZXT Kraken X72, which is also an AIO with a 360mm radiator. I was worried that I didn't install the AM5 bracket correctly since the instructions were extremely vague. Asetek designed the post offsets to work for both AM4 and AM5, and you need to figure out if the end with the ridges point up or down. I was going to remount it this weekend to check what the thermal past contact patch looked like on the pump. It is typically running around the mid-70s while gaming, but I've seen spikes to 83. After turning the pump on performance mode, idle fell from the low-40s to the mid-30s. Radiator fans are still using the balanced profile based on liquid temperature and sit around 900-1000 RPM, which is pretty quiet still.
Checking the thermal paste contact couldn't hurt! You'll either re-mount it the same for equivalent results, or find room for improvement.

I just checked mine again and the baseline idle is 37, and gaming for an hour on bf2042 only raised the temps to a ceiling of 73
 
Checking the thermal paste contact couldn't hurt! You'll either re-mount it the same for equivalent results, or find room for improvement.

I just checked mine again and the baseline idle is 37, and gaming for an hour on bf2042 only raised the temps to a ceiling of 73
Regardless, it's still a marked improvement over my 9900K, which could hit 90+ at times with the same cooler. Have to keep things in perspective with how many more transistors are packed into a much smaller space with the 7800X3D despite it using a lot less power.
 
Regardless, it's still a marked improvement over my 9900K, which could hit 90+ at times with the same cooler. Have to keep things in perspective with how many more transistors are packed into a much smaller space with the 7800X3D despite it using a lot less power.
yeah man, those temps are great!
 
my in game temps on my system in sig are in the low 60s. Darktide stays at a nice 63-65C, funny my 4090 runs cooler.

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Well looks like more trouble for my AMD build. Should have returned it all. Never ever again will I buy an AMD platform. I am now an Intel loyalist. My computer is now randomly (once every few days) making a loud buzzing / crackling noise. And now ALL games are hard crashing and/or rebooting the computer after extended play. Updated to the latest MSI BIOS with the latest AGESA - no change. PBO off, no change. EXPO off, no change. Voltages are normal. How the heck to even narrow it down to motherboard, CPU, or both?
 
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What power supply and GPU are you running? What people often refer to as coil whine sometimes is more of a buzzing, crackly electrical sound from the gpu. Gpu crashes and power spikes can be a result of dirty power which also can cause crashes, shutdowns and restarts.
 
What power supply and GPU are you running? What people often refer to as coil whine sometimes is more of a buzzing, crackly electrical sound from the gpu. Gpu crashes and power spikes can be a result of dirty power which also can cause crashes, shutdowns and restarts.
Corsair RM850x SHIFT and PowerColor RX6800 Fighter (non-XT, OC mode off). Neither CPU or GPU hitting thermal limits.

This issue just started happening about a week ago. Not having issues with other two PCs if it is a power issue. In a modern (~2010) apartment building in a major city with strong state/local build regulations, so not sure how likely dirty power is. Maybe I should try a different outlet, but it is in same room, on same circuit.
 
Pull the rig and breadboard it on the mb box. Start troubleshooting. Begin with one component and work your way through the entire rig.
If you're hearing crackling noises, I would start with every cable in your rig. Make sure they are all plugged in correctly and firmly and that none are pinched between anything or have burn marks on them. Pay closest attention to your 24pin MB, 6&8 pin GPU cables and all of your fan wires. If that all checks out, start looking at all of the PSU side cables (where they plug into your PSU). Then stress test your rig with p95, aida64 etc...to see if your PSU is the component causing the noises. Look for burn marks on your MB or anywhere else you may hear the noise coming from.

Process of elimination is the only way you will find the problem. Otherwise, you will just chase your tail indefinitely.
 
Corsair RM850x SHIFT and PowerColor RX6800 Fighter (non-XT, OC mode off). Neither CPU or GPU hitting thermal limits.

This issue just started happening about a week ago. Not having issues with other two PCs if it is a power issue. In a modern (~2010) apartment building in a major city with strong state/local build regulations, so not sure how likely dirty power is. Maybe I should try a different outlet, but it is in same room, on same circuit.
That really sounds like a bad connection somewhere and nothing to do with AMD vs Intel.
 
My 7800X3D build actually works!

Really surprised at how much more powerful the 7800X3D/RTX-4090 is over my 9900k/3090. Maybe one of the biggest generational leaps I’ve ever experienced.

Thanks for all your help, everyone. I really appreciate the support. Thanks in particular to Armenius for steering me in the right direction.
 
Trried the new asus bios in my mobo. 7800x3d lost some mhz in effective cpu clocks, down from 4825 to 4750 which I'm concerned with, but benchmarks look better. Games seem to be unaffected. The 2 spider man games still have really good performance on street level compared to my 5800x3d where there'd be a fps hit due to all the npc, reflections, lights etc when maxed out on settings. Used to see drops to 110's on the ground, 7800x3d will be in 200s.
 
Is there anything I should do in bios now that the system is up and running? Enable expo, for example?

Also, I installed Windows 11 in offline mode, and I’m not certain if the proper drivers were ever installed. I see, at the Asus website, that for my Strix B650e-e motherboard, the following drivers are available:

LAN, Wireless, Chipset, Audio, VGA drivers, Bluetooth, Software and Utility, Sata, and finally, Utilities: Armoury Crate.

I’ve already installed the Wifi and Audio drivers. Which others should be a priority?

I have a 4090, btw.
 
Is there anything I should do in bios now that the system is up and running? Enable expo, for example?

Also, I installed Windows 11 in offline mode, and I’m not certain if the proper drivers were ever installed. I see, at the Asus website, that for my Strix B650e-e motherboard, the following drivers are available:

LAN, Wireless, Chipset, Audio, VGA drivers, Bluetooth, Software and Utility, Sata, and finally, Utilities: Armoury Crate.

I’ve already installed the Wifi and Audio drivers. Which others should be a priority?

I have a 4090, btw.
Install whichever drivers you want or need. If you don't need something, ie. bluetooth, there's little reason to install the driver. Skim the manual for the utility, if there is one, to see if you think you'll use it and go from there. Once you're done installing drivers and software and checking stability you should consider making a backup image of your install (eg. Clonezilla) for convenience.
 
Install whichever drivers you want or need. If you don't need something, ie. bluetooth, there's little reason to install the driver. Skim the manual for the utility, if there is one, to see if you think you'll use it and go from there. Once you're done installing drivers and software and checking stability you should consider making a backup image of your install (eg. Clonezilla) for convenience.
My gigabyte B650 DS3H 7800X3D build gained quite a bit of performance when I reinstalled windows and used AMD’s drivers instead of the ones Gigabyte’s software downloaded.
 
My gigabyte B650 DS3H 7800X3D build gained quite a bit of performance when I reinstalled windows and used AMD’s drivers instead of the ones Gigabyte’s software downloaded.
Was it a newer version directly from AMD? The vendors are usually a bit behind on updating their downloads.
 
When you guys do a complete rebuild, and step up from hardware that’s around 4-years-old, do you install a bunch of games just to see how they run?

I’m staggered by some of these results. It’s not just that I’m seeing higher frame-rates (much higher actually), but in many cases the little hitches and stutters I’ve learned to live with are gone. And that includes audible hitches.

My favourite game of the past three years was… cover your eyes and your ears… Watch Dogs Legion. I love this game to death. But it never really ran very well for me. I hadn’t realized how much I was ‘tolerating’ the terrible performance. Holy god… this game on the new rig… is amazing. A hundred FPS, maxed out at 4K, just wicked smooth. The ray-tracing in this game adds a lot because there are so many windows everywhere - but you really do have to max everything out to appreciate it.

God I’m such a geek. How can this stuff make me so happy? My girlfriend wants to go to Italy this summer, but I’d be just as happy staying at home gaming. Oh well.
 
When you guys do a complete rebuild, and step up from hardware that’s around 4-years-old, do you install a bunch of games just to see how they run?

I’m staggered by some of these results. It’s not just that I’m seeing higher frame-rates (much higher actually), but in many cases the little hitches and stutters I’ve learned to live with are gone. And that includes audible hitches.

My favourite game of the past three years was… cover your eyes and your ears… Watch Dogs Legion. I love this game to death. But it never really ran very well for me. I hadn’t realized how much I was ‘tolerating’ the terrible performance. Holy god… this game on the new rig… is amazing. A hundred FPS, maxed out at 4K, just wicked smooth. The ray-tracing in this game adds a lot because there are so many windows everywhere - but you really do have to max everything out to appreciate it.

God I’m such a geek. How can this stuff make me so happy? My girlfriend wants to go to Italy this summer, but I’d be just as happy staying at home gaming. Oh well.
Absolutely. I have more games installed on my new PC than I've played through in 20 years, I'll never get through all of them, but it's fun to see.

As for Italy, dude, go. It's beautiful, the people are friendly, the food and wine are absolutely amazing, and very cheap. I had plans to take my gf to Italy in 2020 when Covid hit and cancelled all our plans. It's still on the docket. You could easily spend a full vacation in Italy, but there are so many other countries that are just a 30-60minute flight or a few hour train ride away that it's almost silly not to travel around. I did 8 countries in 3 week in 2019 on a solo post-breakup trip, it was the time of my life. Last tip, Airbnb is way better in Europe than in the states, better places for cheaper prices than hotels.
 
Absolutely. I have more games installed on my new PC than I've played through in 20 years, I'll never get through all of them, but it's fun to see.

As for Italy, dude, go. It's beautiful, the people are friendly, the food and wine are absolutely amazing, and very cheap. I had plans to take my gf to Italy in 2020 when Covid hit and cancelled all our plans. It's still on the docket. You could easily spend a full vacation in Italy, but there are so many other countries that are just a 30-60minute flight or a few hour train ride away that it's almost silly not to travel around. I did 8 countries in 3 week in 2019 on a solo post-breakup trip, it was the time of my life. Last tip, Airbnb is way better in Europe than in the states, better places for cheaper prices than hotels.
LOL.

Siding with my girlfriend, eh?

Actually, you’re right. I need to step away from the PC more than I do. Go out and do some livin, eh?
 
My 7800X3D build actually works!

Really surprised at how much more powerful the 7800X3D/RTX-4090 is over my 9900k/3090. Maybe one of the biggest generational leaps I’ve ever experienced.

Thanks for all your help, everyone. I really appreciate the support. Thanks in particular to Armenius for steering me in the right direction.

Yeah man we're living in pretty exciting times right now. Never thought I would see such a big leap in performance from just a single generation ever again. Going from a 5800X + 3080 Ti to 7800X3D + 4090 feels nowhere near the 2 year gap that it is. I can't wait to see what the 8800X3D and RTX 5090 brings.
 
I've had my 7800X3d/4090FE system up for about 10 days now. Needless to say, coming from a 4790K/1080Ti it is a massive, gargantuan difference.

Cpu seems to max out temp wise at around mid 60's give or take. Hits 5050mhz without a problem on a cheapo air cooler (deep cool AK400 dark plus) until my AIO comes in. To be honest that cooler does a hell of a job.... quiet, looks great, CHEAP. Has really caught me by surprise. I dont even need the AIO to be honest...

The 4090 FE is obviously a monster and maxes out gaming at about 70 degrees and you cant even hear it. Its nutso.

I have an Asus ProArt motherboard and for all the shit Asus has had tossed its way recently I actually really like it. It looks fantastic (no gamer aesthetics) and so havent had any of the reported issues (running latest BIOSes ofc...)

Overall, super pleased with my first AMD system since... hmmm.... the original 1ghz Athlon?
 
I did a manual CO today and found my missing mhz in the process. It looks like asus dialed back the auto PBO 65w mode a bit vs the beta 1410 bios. I started at -35 across all cores then ran prime 95 and weeded out the error cores. My best cores are core 4 and 6, but cores 3 and 4 required me to dial back the curve quite a bit. I had to raise them to -15 to get rid of prime errors.

With the custom curve in place, I was able to raise the cinebench performance and gain an extra mhz in the process.
 
Is there anything I should do in bios now that the system is up and running? Enable expo, for example?

Also, I installed Windows 11 in offline mode, and I’m not certain if the proper drivers were ever installed. I see, at the Asus website, that for my Strix B650e-e motherboard, the following drivers are available:

LAN, Wireless, Chipset, Audio, VGA drivers, Bluetooth, Software and Utility, Sata, and finally, Utilities: Armoury Crate.

I’ve already installed the Wifi and Audio drivers. Which others should be a priority?

I have a 4090, btw.
Get lastest chipset drivers installed. Get them from AMD. Make sure you are on a current non-beta BIOs and enable EXPO after you do the update. Avoid Armory Crate at all costs...it's a POS and will only cost you performance.
 
I've had my 7800X3d/4090FE system up for about 10 days now. Needless to say, coming from a 4790K/1080Ti it is a massive, gargantuan difference.

Cpu seems to max out temp wise at around mid 60's give or take. Hits 5050mhz without a problem on a cheapo air cooler (deep cool AK400 dark plus) until my AIO comes in. To be honest that cooler does a hell of a job.... quiet, looks great, CHEAP. Has really caught me by surprise. I dont even need the AIO to be honest...

The 4090 FE is obviously a monster and maxes out gaming at about 70 degrees and you cant even hear it. Its nutso.

I have an Asus ProArt motherboard and for all the shit Asus has had tossed its way recently I actually really like it. It looks fantastic (no gamer aesthetics) and so havent had any of the reported issues (running latest BIOSes ofc...)

Overall, super pleased with my first AMD system since... hmmm.... the original 1ghz Athlon?

That leap is lightyears! What monitor?
 
Yeah man we're living in pretty exciting times right now. Never thought I would see such a big leap in performance from just a single generation ever again. Going from a 5800X + 3080 Ti to 7800X3D + 4090 feels nowhere near the 2 year gap that it is. I can't wait to see what the 8800X3D and RTX 5090 brings.
Early rumors suggest the 5090 will be 2-2.6x as fast as the 4090 and the AMD 8000 series will see a 25% IPC increase. This would be absolutely nuts if true, but yea they are rumors from MLID.
 
Was it a newer version directly from AMD? The vendors are usually a bit behind on updating their downloads.
Yes your highness, I just let Adrenaline Software do its thing and overall things got better. However it still crashes on the final single thread test in 3DMark’s cpu test. It’s perfectly stable for everything else I use it for, including Modern Warfare 2 (2022) and The Last Of Us part 1. LOS is pretty demanding, my rig won’t maintain 60hz at 4K with everything maxed out. I have to drop it to 1440 or turn on FSR to stabilize it. Very impressive game and I got it free with my GPU. 👍
 
Is there anything I should do in bios now that the system is up and running? Enable expo, for example?

Also, I installed Windows 11 in offline mode, and I’m not certain if the proper drivers were ever installed. I see, at the Asus website, that for my Strix B650e-e motherboard, the following drivers are available:

LAN, Wireless, Chipset, Audio, VGA drivers, Bluetooth, Software and Utility, Sata, and finally, Utilities: Armoury Crate.

I’ve already installed the Wifi and Audio drivers. Which others should be a priority?

I have a 4090, btw.
In the BIOS, I changed:
  • Memory profile to EXPO II
  • SOC voltage to 1.225V
  • Disable Armory Crate
  • Disable onboard video
  • Disable onboard audio (I have a Sound Blaster add-in card)
  • Boot OS to Windows
I believe that was it.

Probably late now, but I would disable the automatic driver updates in Windows before connecting online.

I installed everything but the audio driver (disabled in BIOS), VGA driver (disabled in BIOS), RAID driver, and software.
Get lastest chipset drivers installed. Get them from AMD. Make sure you are on a current non-beta BIOs and enable EXPO after you do the update. Avoid Armory Crate at all costs...it's a POS and will only cost you performance.
In this case, the chipset driver on the ASUS website is newer than the one on the AMD website.

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Early rumors suggest the 5090 will be 2-2.6x as fast as the 4090 and the AMD 8000 series will see a 25% IPC increase. This would be absolutely nuts if true, but yea they are rumors from MLID.
I’ve upgraded every cycle with Nvidia, going all the way back to its original card. The step up from a 3090 to a 4090 seems like one of the biggest I’ve ever taken.

On top of DLSS 3 we now have frame-generation, which I hadn’t taken much notice of until I actually bought a 4090 and started seeing the frame-gen option popping up in menus.

Holy god… you have this incredibly powerful card to begin with, then you enable DLSS 3, then you enable frame-gen, and suddenly that ridiculously high demanding game that would run at 30 fps on your 3090 is now running in the 80s or 90s on your 4090. It’s mind-blowing stuff.

On a side-note: as I re-install all these games I have, testing out my new 4090, I’m shocked at how many great games I have, and have hardly played. My backlog is an issue. I keep saying to myself, I need to come back and play this game again, and this time actually finish it… but where the hell am I going to find the time for that?
 
I’ve upgraded every cycle with Nvidia, going all the way back to its original card. The step up from a 3090 to a 4090 seems like one of the biggest I’ve ever taken.
I think the 4090 is the biggest gen on gen performance increase, on average its 63% faster than the 3090 in rasterized workloads. Titan X Pascal was 58% faster than the Titan X Maxwell in rasterized workloads. The thing is the 4090 is twice as fast in RT workloads, I think that's why the card seems so rediculously fast. I remember launching Cyberpunk 2077 the day I got my 4090 and I was just completely blown away by the performance, it was literally double the framerate.

CPUs will be the bottleneck at 4K next cycle if the 5090 is as fast as the rumors say. The 7800X3D (and 7950X3D) are the best chips out right now for gaming (in most typical scenarios) and even then there are scenes in games where GPU usage can drop into the 90% range due to the CPU not keeping up. Hopefully with future AMD X3D chips we see some larger performance uplifts if it is indeed a 25% IPC increase (rumor), it would be nice to see an additional 10-20% clock increase on the 8800X3D.
 
I’ve upgraded every cycle with Nvidia, going all the way back to its original card. The step up from a 3090 to a 4090 seems like one of the biggest I’ve ever taken.

On top of DLSS 3 we now have frame-generation, which I hadn’t taken much notice of until I actually bought a 4090 and started seeing the frame-gen option popping up in menus.

Holy god… you have this incredibly powerful card to begin with, then you enable DLSS 3, then you enable frame-gen, and suddenly that ridiculously high demanding game that would run at 30 fps on your 3090 is now running in the 80s or 90s on your 4090. It’s mind-blowing stuff.

On a side-note: as I re-install all these games I have, testing out my new 4090, I’m shocked at how many great games I have, and have hardly played. My backlog is an issue. I keep saying to myself, I need to come back and play this game again, and this time actually finish it… but where the hell am I going to find the time for that?
FWIW, DLSS 3 _is_ frame generation. Do you mean enabling DLSS 2 and then enabling DLSS 3 frame generation?
 
While the 4090 does feel like a mighty leap over the previous gen cards, I think the current crop of new releases have hampered that. Too many games are getting released in a state where even a 4090 stutters or runs them like trash. Plus, with the vast majority of titles, the 3090 could already run them cranked at 4K/100+ FPS, especially with DLSS. It absolutely shines with some titles, but the gaming landscape is holding everything back.
 
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