Intel Hopes to Stop Server Beating from AMD Next Year

kac77 said:

Intel Hopes to Stop Server Beating from AMD Next Year​


“We’ll have Emerald [Rapids] out of course, but the real important products that … make a meaningful difference is Sierra Forest and Granite Rapids… in terms of our competitive position,” Zinsner said.
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Intel is struggling with competing against TSMC’s clearly better process. I really look forward to seeing the Intel vs AMD race when Intel and TSMC have comparable nodes. TSMC 5 trounces Intel 7, it’s not even close.
 
You thought the Eternal Skylake wait on mainstream desktops up until Alder Lake was bad?

Intel still had nothing better to offer the HEDT/server market than aging Skylake/PCIe 3.0 platforms, exemplified by the 2019 Mac Pro 7,1 already looking laughably outdated next to contemporary Threadripper Pro systems with more lanes of PCIe 4.0 and Zen 3 performance, and AMD isn't letting up at all in the server space with EPYC Genoa (Zen 4) utterly curbstomping Intel's increasingly aged big iron offerings.

It feels like when AMD released the Opteron all over again, back when Intel got complacent with NetBurst and Itanium. Everyone with half a brain bought AMD because they had the better option - not just against Intel, but all those weird RISC architectures like MIPS, SPARC, Alpha, POWER, etc. that are now all but dead in a mostly x86-64 world. (Though nobody expected ARM to scale up as well as it did...)

Sapphire Rapids is long overdue. That's going to set back Emerald Rapids and the rest if they don't get a move on with getting their server platforms to market, especially with partners like HPE and Dell EMC that businesses just buy in bulk from because that's what they've always done.
 
NamelessPFG said:
Intel still had nothing better to offer the HEDT/server market than aging Skylake/PCIe 3.0 platforms, exemplified by the 2019 Mac Pro 7,1 already looking laughably outdated next to contemporary Threadripper Pro systems with more lanes of PCIe 4.0 and Zen 3 performance, and AMD isn't letting up at all in the server space with EPYC Genoa (Zen 4) utterly curbstomping Intel's increasingly aged big iron offerings.
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https://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/products/details/processors/xeon/w/products.html

Umm Intel has a very competitive HEDT lineup this go around. I love my Threadripper’s but I don’t care for being tied to Lenovo nor their hardware lock-ins.
 
Lakados said:
https://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/products/details/processors/xeon/w/products.html

Umm Intel has a very competitive HEDT lineup this go around. I love my Threadripper’s but I don’t care for being tied to Lenovo nor their hardware lock-ins.
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If by "this go around" you mean Sapphire Rapids, then yes, I agree it's competitive... and also a few years too late.

Intel's playing catch-up right now, and people shopping for HEDT workstation platforms shouldn't have to choose between more PCIe lanes and a phenomenally better CPU architecture that also supports faster PCIe lanes (albeit far fewer of them), which has been the case since Alder Lake launched right up until now.

The problem there is that it's allowed AMD to get complacent in the HEDT space with Threadripper, to the point that we still don't have a Zen 4-based Threadripper even as Intel is finally unveiling a Golden Cove-based HEDT platform. Word is that there's one due toward the end of this year to square off against Emerald Lake, but until then, you've got no choice but to adapt an EPYC Genoa server board to workstation use.

Come to think of it, that was your suggestion in another thread - just use server boards instead of HEDT ones. Too bad I already took up an X399 board and now have to deal with how hard it is to find DDR4 ECC UDIMMs instead of RDIMMs, which wouldn't have been a problem with a typical server motherboard.
 
NamelessPFG said:
If by "this go around" you mean Sapphire Rapids, then yes, I agree it's competitive... and also a few years too late.

Intel's playing catch-up right now, and people shopping for HEDT workstation platforms shouldn't have to choose between more PCIe lanes and a phenomenally better CPU architecture that also supports faster PCIe lanes (albeit far fewer of them), which has been the case since Alder Lake launched right up until now.

The problem there is that it's allowed AMD to get complacent in the HEDT space with Threadripper, to the point that we still don't have a Zen 4-based Threadripper even as Intel is finally unveiling a Golden Cove-based HEDT platform. Word is that there's one due toward the end of this year to square off against Emerald Lake, but until then, you've got no choice but to adapt an EPYC Genoa server board to workstation use.

Come to think of it, that was your suggestion in another thread - just use server boards instead of HEDT ones. Too bad I already took up an X399 board and now have to deal with how hard it is to find DDR4 ECC UDIMMs instead of RDIMMs, which wouldn't have been a problem with a typical server motherboard.
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AMD doesn't want to sell Threadrippers, they would rather sell them as EPYC's. AMD is coasting the entire Threadripper lineup until Intel can pass them and they can let it rest.
Intel had the same slump on their Xeons but AMD didn't grow complacent with EPYC, they have had the lead on desktop but again no complacency there either, Threadripper was always meant as a shot across Intel's bow to say hey yeah we can do this too check us out. Then intel said yeah buddy you go and do that, so AMD was left standing there realizing OH FUCK, we are pretty much the only player in this field selling what could be much more expensive server parts for a fraction, for workstations. Now they have to spend money on driver development, and work out OEM partnerships and, and, and... Threadripper is a weight AMD wants gone, or to charge more for, it is not long for this world.
AMD has already started branding their EPYC Workstations, using the new 9004 series, which are aimed at the very people who are buying the Lenovo Pros. The flip side of that is a lot of the people who were buying the TR-Pro's have simply moved over to the desktop parts.
 
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NamelessPFG said:
If by "this go around" you mean Sapphire Rapids, then yes, I agree it's competitive... and also a few years too late.

Intel's playing catch-up right now, and people shopping for HEDT workstation platforms shouldn't have to choose between more PCIe lanes and a phenomenally better CPU architecture that also supports faster PCIe lanes (albeit far fewer of them), which has been the case since Alder Lake launched right up until now.

The problem there is that it's allowed AMD to get complacent in the HEDT space with Threadripper, to the point that we still don't have a Zen 4-based Threadripper even as Intel is finally unveiling a Golden Cove-based HEDT platform. Word is that there's one due toward the end of this year to square off against Emerald Lake, but until then, you've got no choice but to adapt an EPYC Genoa server board to workstation use.

Come to think of it, that was your suggestion in another thread - just use server boards instead of HEDT ones. Too bad I already took up an X399 board and now have to deal with how hard it is to find DDR4 ECC UDIMMs instead of RDIMMs, which wouldn't have been a problem with a typical server motherboard.
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Yeah, the situation with ECC UDIMM is ridiculous, both on DDR4 and DDR5. ECC registered DDR4 can be had for a fraction of the price. I am almost not angry that current Threadrippers are only available as Pros (Pro takes registered RAM). The vendor locks make me very sad, though.

I find Golden Cove intriguing. But let's see what the market is like when I need one. For now I decided on another dual CPU system. Which sucks from a max clockspeed standpoint, but hey at least it is all performance cores.
 
Another 20% drop to their stock price in a recession would be a good buy imo. I don’t foresee Intel going 10 yrs being behind this badly in everything other than consumer desktop space.
 
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